(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

peebee wrote:
Wonder why yours is working and not mine???

This thread seems to suggest it is a known problem with 3.5.1 & 2

Thanks for your help...
Cheers
peebee

Doublechecked the version I'm running and the rc.xml. Version is indeed 3.5.2 and there isn't a patch like those in the thread in the rc.xml. I didn't compile it and it is in alphaOS 12.x so may well be from the Arch AUR, referenced in the thread. All in all, might be best to wait a bit as the bugfix should be coming and the "Smart " placement is damn irritating.

On a lighter note SlimBoat now can run with flashplayer in LxPup. See http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 9&start=75 Still has a few font issues but I'm happily using it as an adjunct to my beloved but 'long in the tooth' Opera 12.16 when sites break Opera.

LxPup13.11 is now available from the download page in 3 "flavours":

• LxPup-13.11-s-4g
  LxPup-13.11-s-pae
  LxPrecise-13.11-pae **NEW**

The main changes from LxPup13.10C are:

• - Openbox is now version 3.5.2 (but see below)
  - WBar is available in Options

There is a delta file available to update lxpup-13.10-1 (base version with no service packs) to LxPup-13.11-s-4g

For anybody who really hates the new window placement logic in Openbox3.5.2, a pet is available to revert to Openbox3.5.0

Finally, there is a version of Chromium-31 which will run on all flavours.

Cheers
PeeBee

Hi PeeBee,

Will try 13.11 and the new window behaviour tonight.
Is there any change in the devx ? Standard Slacko 5.6 devx ?
I need Python, and guess it's in the devx (2.x series ?)

Volhout

Volhout wrote:Hi PeeBee,

Will try 13.11 and the new window behaviour tonight.
Is there any change in the devx ? Standard Slacko 5.6 devx ?
I need Python, and guess it's in the devx (2.x series ?)

Volhout

Hi Volhout

Yes - standard Slacko 5.6 devx appropriate to the "Flavour" / kernel you are using

Setup -> SFS Manager....

or http://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/di ... E_DEVX.TXT

http://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/di ... puppy-5.6/

Cheers
peebee

Dear PeeBee,

Yesterday I introduced LxPup to my wife, and she made a remark that made me think....

We run puppy as root. Why do we shut down the computer with "log out", and have 6 different choices in shutdown. Restart (with puppy) is just as fast as off and on. Different user is not needed. Restart X is something you only do to change windows manager or similar. In practice (as a user) you only turn off.

Maybe it is a no-brainer....

Volhout wrote:Dear PeeBee,

Yesterday I introduced LxPup to my wife, and she made a remark that made me think....

We run puppy as root. Why do we shut down the computer with "log out", and have 6 different choices in shutdown. Restart (with puppy) is just as fast as off and on. Different user is not needed. Restart X is something you only do to change windows manager or similar. In practice (as a user) you only turn off.

Maybe it is a no-brainer....

Hi Volhout....

Powerdown switches off the computer
Suspend puts the computer to sleep so it can be quickly restarted
Reboot allows you to switch between different operating systems if you have more than one installed
RestartWM sets everything back to a known state and is useful if and when something goes wrong
Logout drops you out to the console

So they all have individual and unique behaviours but maybe there are too many for most users.

I'll have a think (in slow time) as to whether there is a better way to organise things. The current way has the advantage that everything is in one place.

All current Pups use basically the same scheme.

Cheers
peebee

peebee wrote:

Volhout wrote:Dear PeeBee,

Yesterday I introduced LxPup to my wife, and she made a remark that made me think....

We run puppy as root. Why do we shut down the computer with "log out", and have 6 different choices in shutdown. Restart (with puppy) is just as fast as off and on. Different user is not needed. Restart X is something you only do to change windows manager or similar. In practice (as a user) you only turn off.

Maybe it is a no-brainer....

Hi Volhout....

Powerdown switches off the computer
Suspend puts the computer to sleep so it can be quickly restarted
Reboot allows you to switch between different operating systems if you have more than one installed
RestartWM sets everything back to a known state and is useful if and when something goes wrong
Logout drops you out to the console

So they all have individual and unique behaviours but maybe there are too many for most users.

I'll have a think (in slow time) as to whether there is a better way to organise things. The current way has the advantage that everything is in one place.

All current Pups use basically the same scheme.

Cheers
peebee

Carolina uses a shutdown pulldown list which remembers the last shutdown action. Maybe for people who always perform the same action every time that works but it's a some extra clicks for me and I usually replace it with a more pup std. one from Saluki. What about just making a Powerdown.desktop for Powerdown so it may be put in the system panel by itself easily. That's what I usually do for my 'users'.

peebee wrote:LxPrecise-13.11-pae is a derivative of Puppy Precise 5.7.1 using the PAE kernel 3.9.11

Sweet! Thank you.
No, I won't stop remixing Openbox. OpenboxPlus is still the choice for those who go lightweight, and it's a different customization that I like very much. However, I should link to this thread for those who want a full LXDE Puppy.

vicmz wrote:

peebee wrote:LxPrecise-13.11-pae is a derivative of Puppy Precise 5.7.1 using the PAE kernel 3.9.11

Sweet! Thank you.
No, I won't stop remixing Openbox. OpenboxPlus is still the choice for those who go lightweight, and it's a different customization that I like very much. However, I should link to this thread for those who want a full LXDE Puppy.

Hi Vicmz

Definitely do NOT stop - that's the strength of Puppy - lots of choice...

And OpenBoxPlus and LxPup are different but complementary - not everyone wants to go the full LXDE route of LxPup i.e PcManFM largely replacing Rox.

I have added a link back to OpenBoxPlus on my post #1.

Have you tried OpenBox3.5.2? What are your thoughts on the window placement logic? I'm gradually getting used to it....

Cheers
peebee

Hello, great Puppy !
"ça change" comme on dit en France !
Can you tell me where I could get the wbar ?
Best Regards


Edit : That's right, got it in /opt/lxpup-xtras

hum..
I installed the .pet, but wbar isn't here.
restart X but not here yet.

Senza Vega wrote:hum..
I installed the .pet, but wbar isn't here.
restart X but not here yet.

Hi Senza
Not really sure what to advise as it works OK for me....I'm at work now so will test when I get home tonight - which 'flavour' of LxPup13.11 are you running?
Have you tried running wbar from a terminal?
Cheers
peebee

Hello,

the flavour is LxPup-13.11-s-pae.

I tried to lauch from a terminal and it return :
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Senza Vega wrote:Hello,

the flavour is LxPup-13.11-s-pae.

I tried to lauch from a terminal and it return :

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wbar: command not found

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Hi Senza

Just tested - installed both from the menu via Desktop - Change Appearance - Options and also by clicking direct on the pet in /opt/lxpup-xtras

Both seemed to work fine for me and survived after a reboot and savefile creation.

Are you running as a frugal install with a reasonable size savefile created?

If wbar is not found in a terminal then that sounds as though the pet is not installed.....did you install the pet before or after savefile creation?

All I can suggest is that you install the pet again.

Sorry you are having problems and that I can't replicate them.

Cheers
peebee

Hello peebee,
don't be sorry, your work is very appreciate !
So, I tried to reinstall wbar by the menu via Desktop - Change Appearance - Options", and it works now !

don't know how, very thanks for your help !

Dear PeeBee,

I use LXPUP on a laptop that typically connects via wireless.
There is an ethernet port, but it is not used.

I see following strange behaviour.

- frugall install, WIFI via Frisbee, installed on my home wireless (works fine).

When I move the laptop to another location, where wifi cannot connect (no pre-installed), I see following:

- CPU is 50% busy with the network icon in the tray (LxTask)..
- I cannot open the wireless by rightclicking on the icon.
- The "cont connect" icon is also not visible in the tray, only the background.
- I can open wireless via the control panel, network tab.

Is there any reason for this behaviour ?

Volhout

P.S. this is 13.10, not 13.11

Volhout wrote:Dear PeeBee,

I use LXPUP on a laptop that typically connects via wireless.
There is an ethernet port, but it is not used.

I see following strange behaviour.

- frugall install, WIFI via Frisbee, installed on my home wireless (works fine).

When I move the laptop to another location, where wifi cannot connect (no pre-installed), I see following:

- CPU is 50% busy with the network icon in the tray (LxTask)..
- I cannot open the wireless by rightclicking on the icon.
- The "cont connect" icon is also not visible in the tray, only the background.
- I can open wireless via the control panel, network tab.

Is there any reason for this behaviour ?

Volhout

P.S. this is 13.10, not 13.11

Hi Volhout

That sounds like a Slacko or Frisbee question rather than anything specific to LxPup....

Have you tried to see how Slacko5.6 behaves? If you could that would narrow it down as to whether it was an LxPup specific problem.

I will have access to a wifi away from home tomorrow so I'll see if I can replicate your problem as I understand it.

Regards
peebee

# uname -a
Linux e732 3.9.9-upup #1 SMP Fri Jul 12 21:50:30 EEST 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 1804584 1161244 643340 0 316144
-/+ buffers: 845100 959484
Swap: 0 0 0
# uptime
13:34:58 up 9 min, load average: 0.16, 0.16, 0.12
#

What a very nicely presented puppy - all seems good OOTB - no nasties yet.
A keeper - many thanks for this - much appreciated - Very best regards - Ray.

Volhout wrote:I see following strange behaviour.

Hi Volhout

I have been able to replicate your observed behaviour of network_tray in LxPup when you reboot out of range of an established wifi connection.

You are right that network_tray does go into some sort of loop when lxpanel is restarted.

I can also confirm that this behaviour is not shown by Slacko5.6

I'm afraid I don't know the reason for the strange behaviour but I can tell you how to cure it:

edit the line in root/Startup/1-lxde-startup.sh to comment out lxpanelctl restart - #lxpanelctl restart

do a "Restart WM" from the session control menu

You can then establish the new wifi connection.

Hopefully (not yet tested) you can re-edit 1-lxde-startup.sh to remove the comment once both connections are defined - or leave it commented out if you are going to be moving away from configured wifi signals a lot.

Hope this helps
Cheers
peebee

Hello, I'm testing out this great pupplet... for me it surely is the best puppy till now.

I can't find all the apps I need to use in slacko repositories... I was using ubuntu flavoured puppies before and there were simply more apps available.
But as I don't have a pae pc, I was searching for a non-pae verson of LxPrecise, but couldn't find any.
Why did you make the slacko flavoured Lxpup in both pae and non-pae versions, and made the LxPrecise flavour with pae kernel only?