Puppy Squeeze 009 Development

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Iguleder · #81 Post by **Iguleder** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 08:34

I made a repo with all the packages that go to 004, here. The wbar from Lupu segfaulted my Xorg for some reason.

So far it looks good, 3 libraries are out and some big packages are now alot smaller.

#82 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 08:38

Iguleder wrote:libtasn is a must, needed for libgcrypt and therefore gnutls. Gnutls is needed too.

atm I'm trying to get rid of some libraries, already kicked out libexif-gtk and libgphoto2 with fotoxx, here it is. It replaces gtkam.

from puppy 2-4 we only used openssl, Gnutls is for ftp like filezilla etc, but the latest openssl does provide protection.
libgphoto2 is the drivers for digital camera's, If you remove that people won't be able to use there cameras without reinstalling it.
ttuuxxx

Iguleder · #83 Post by **Iguleder** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 08:41

Wrong, gnutls is also for WeeChat which means it's not only for ftp.

gtkam is a "camera manager" thing while fotoxx is a photo gallery application with basic editing capabilities. I think it's better to have a gallery application since PictureViewer is out.

Need more opinions.

dejan555 · #84 Post by **dejan555** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 08:48

Many internet/network apps will want gnutls and gnutls is also the debian way, for example when I compiled pidgin for 4.1 it said gnutls not found and openssl is not usable - it required either gnutls or nss to compile it didn't accept openssl at all. Also for latest filezilla on dpup i had to update gnutls to latest version.

Iguleder · #85 Post by **Iguleder** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 09:19

Here's Fluxbox, but it doesn't set itself to the default wm, this is just a funky experiment. Just do "echo fluxbox-session > /etc/windowmanager".

Lobster · #86 Post by **Lobster** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 09:45

Need more opinions

People should take every opportunity to be kinder . . .

not that sort of opinion?

OK - well as some people (expect more as things develop)
will be using Squeeze on a day to day basis I would err on the side of caution. These real use testers are invaluable.
If you remove libs gradually we can still squeeze more out of Squeeze . . .

Another opinion :
I liked the pixlr cloud graphic program
used with caution cloud apps are a great additional resource . . .

Iguleder · #87 Post by **Iguleder** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 10:03

We don't remove libraries just for the sake of removing libraries. It's good to replace applications that depend on certain libraries with alternatives that don't. Take mhash as an example, only 2 applications use it, so I repalced one (gtkhash) and recompiled the other without support for it (osmo). Also, gtkam is old, slightly broken and doesn't work well, so we replace it with the good Fotoxx and get rid of two libraries at the same time.

Also, now we use the Gparted from Quirky, which has static gtkmm, saves us 3 libraries nad lots of space.

I'm kinda disappointed that people don't express their opinion and share their ideas here.

Oh, and regarding cloud applications - they're good because they're zero-size, but some things cannot be replaced with web applications, like mtpaint or all office applications. If you noticed, the cloud application menu entries are there just as "extra" applications, with the exception of the web IRC.

EDIT: made an experimental 004 ISO, it's 124 MB due to the new Flash (extra 2 MB) and extra kernel modules I kept this time in order to attempt to fix the audio problem reported. It should be much snappier, though

I'll do some stripping once we settle on a good choice of applications.

Bert · #88 Post by **Bert** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 10:19

Iguleder wrote: Oh, and regarding cloud applications - they're good because they're zero-size, but some things cannot be replaced with web applications, like mtpaint .

I've been using Peppermint OS for a while and so discovered that Pixl , an online photo editor is about 100 times better than MtPaint. It's incredibly fast, user friendly and has many on-demand locales ready.
Those who've tried it, are hooked

EDIT: OOps, didn't see Lobster already mentioned Pixlr..

#89 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 10:57

dejan555 wrote:Many internet/network apps will want gnutls and gnutls is also the debian way, for example when I compiled pidgin for 4.1 it said gnutls not found and openssl is not usable - it required either gnutls or nss to compile it didn't accept openssl at all. Also for latest filezilla on dpup i had to update gnutls to latest version.

i know that the last 3 filezilla builds I post on here for everybody included it, but what default application in say puppy 4 needed it? None, that's why barry never included it, it only showed up as default once the larger woof bases happened. Basically what I would like to see is a lean base. All the libs I posted for removal aren't needed for a stable 5,6 series to work, It will break some default programs, but all the broken programs will get recompiled without the extra libs and will be considerably smaller. If you compile against extra libs, it will increase the size. Really I can't see why we can have ever program running in the menu and reduce the size of the release to 110MB or a bit less.
ttuuxxx

dejan555 · #90 Post by **dejan555** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 11:01

puppy 4 really didn't need gnutls but this is dpup build and many apps in debian repo has gnutls and krb libs as dependency and rely on it, we can remove them from iso but they will be required for apps installed from debian. There's a reason that woof pulls them into dpup build.

Iguleder · #91 Post by **Iguleder** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 11:06

gnutls was new when Puppy 4.x emerged but now it's standard. Even curl needs it to support SSL/TLS/whatever.

#92 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 11:10

dejan555 wrote:puppy 4 really didn't need gnutls but this is dpup build and many apps in debian repo has gnutls and krb libs as dependency and rely on it, we can remove them from iso but they will be required for apps installed from debian. There's a reason that woof pulls them into dpup build.

Hi dejan555 we could have a debian extra sfs that includes gnutls, and the other deps, but If you can save say 50MB or so uncompressed and compile and post your own apps for others like I do, who needs the Debian repo? I'm more worried about people with lower power pc starting puppy up and having Orbit and gconf running and doing absolutely nothing, I add it 2.14X because I stip some of the deps of them and evince, Gcaltool and couple other programs needed it.
But for a average Firefox/youtube/Mail user doesn't need it.
Well maybe I could fork this release and try to break it down to a lower resource general puppy version. I Just have no need for a debian repo, and most who follow me like 2.14X get just about anything they wanted.
ttuuxxx

Lobster · #93 Post by **Lobster** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 11:17

Bert wrote:Lobster already mentioned Pixlr..

There are other cloud apps to discover:

Chat and meeboo
File2HD (under Internet)
You convert it (under Utilities and General utilities)

I have done a quick video of Squeeze 003 using drec - which is in the package manager
http://youtu.be/98d1rib1HJs

Iguleder · #94 Post by **Iguleder** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 11:53

Hehe, nice video

Uploading 004, seems good to me and I need your feedback. Now we're very traditional, full Seamonkey and xine, Osmo, Geany ... all the traditional Puppy major applications.

It's quite big (126 MB) but has a full browser (the PET is 14 MB!) and smaller applications. Plus, now we have a static Gparted which is faster and smaller - saves us 3 libraries. I'm gonna do some stripping in 005 and I think it's time to play with the desktop a bit, it's time for some bling. The Lupu wbar made my X segfault and interrupted the 004 package work ... I guess we could use the dpup's wbar.

And by the way, I really like what we achieved so far

ttuuxx, dejan555, Lobster, stu90, Billtoo, James C, Beem, Stripe, 01micko and everybody else - you rock. Good job!

Lobster · #95 Post by **Lobster** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 12:08

The video is just a bit of fun

Hopefully more will be done later.

Looking forward to 004 - I am already using 003 and finding usable

Is it advisable to try Lucid pets? I am tempted to try the ATI driver . . .
. . . or even put Quickpet or a version in there?

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... ges-lucid/

- I don't know what times but Iguleder
hangs out a lot on Puppy chat
- so go share your ideas etc . . .
- just click on chat icon

Squeeze
Your Puppy

stu90 · #96 Post by **stu90** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 12:38

Replacement volume icons - just need to drag which ever ligh/dark to /usr/share/retrovol
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1yh3ku2lv ... rchive.zip

Scrot.shot screenshot tool - i made a GUI for scrot command line screenshot has a few more options like area selection and active window shots than mt-paint snapshot
http://www.smokey01.com/stu90/lucid.pup ... 0.8-11.pet

Some one mentioned Tunapie earlier - here is .pet from squeeze .debs requires pythone to run, Lucid puppy python .pet works.
Tunapie:
http://www.smokey01.com/stu90/dpup.sque ... 1.17-2.pet
Lupu Python:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... -Lucid.pet

Quick question - does anyone know if seamonkey has a spell checker, if so how do you enable it?
cheers.

Edit.
Lobster:
I have not tried yet but Iguleder says the drivers lupu should work

#97 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 12:45

My visssion for this Dpup is basically what Barry said about 3 series, Its a puppy version that is binary capadable with slackware, it wasn't library capadable, it didn't have dbus, xlib and a few others. Usually when I make a package, I include the missing libs, either in the package or in pets. It just keeps the distro running fast and less resources. Pretty much what puppy is all about, woof on the other hand has let the doors wide open. Also last time I compiled the latest libcurl for 2.14X about 6 months back it didn't need gnutils, maybe we could use that version if the latest does need it, I haven't checked yet. Too many releases to keep downloading a devx every day, But I do admit, very nice and quick work so far

Your on a roll

ttuuxxx

Iguleder · #98 Post by **Iguleder** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 12:48

The spell checker is enabled by default on 004, I don't remember if it worked on 003 too.

stu90 wrote:Replacement volume icons - just need to drag which ever ligh/dark to /usr/share/retrovol

I like those icons, they're in 005

EDIT: ttuuxxx, want me to PM you the Woof modifications for 004?

stu90 · #99 Post by **stu90** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 13:00

Iguleder wrote:The spell checker is enabled by default on 004, I don't remember if it worked on 003 too.

stu90 wrote:Replacement volume icons - just need to drag which ever ligh/dark to /usr/share/retrovol
I like those icons, they're in 005

EDIT: ttuuxxx, want me to PM you the Woof modifications for 004?

Nice one

004 & 005 already - nothing moves slow in puppy world.

Just been having a play with some of the lucid .pets i made, seem to work well with dpup, squeeze pup (any ideas on name yet?)

pek windows manage + tint2 panel

Iguleder · #100 Post by **Iguleder** » Wed 15 Sep 2010, 13:05

Wow, your desktop looks great

That screeny should go to the wiki page ... and we need a name, it's about time

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