(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Hi rarsa,

Thanks for dropping by.
We can not interest you in Debian Pup?
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/DPup

. . . or Android Pup (not yet available or even pre planned)?

How about kick starting Saluki?
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy6

Tempted by our two 64 bit offerings?
http://www.lhpup.org/release-lhp.htm
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... atdog/web/

Oh OK I admit it . . . trolled through your sites
to find your current directions . . .

Puppy Linux
Useful.

newbies either flee due to limited software packages or they learn to make their own.....

Most Puppies work so well and there is so much documentation available that most don't need to come here. The number of unregistered visitors may be an indication.
Cheers

Bligh wrote:Most Puppies work so well and there is so much documentation available that most don't need to come here. The number of unregistered visitors may be an indication.
Cheers

My experience is that of Bligh; and I am an old (nearly 60) computer user, an engineer (Metrologist), and computer professional most of my life - in fact, I helped write email when we made ARPAnet into "The Internet". I am very picky about bugs. I have a bad attitude and am a dead-end cynic about technology - most of it is shipped broken, and it was never designed right to start with.

This is my first post, but I have been using Puppy for 4 or 5 years now.

Puppy Linux is, without doubt, one of the finest pieces of software I have ever seen and used, and I have written beaucoups software friends. The first clinical pharmacy software, the first JIT software for Textile Plants, etc. Puppy has always WORKED JUST FINE OUT OF THE BOX WITH NO EXCUSES, NO WORKAROUNDS, NO BULLHOCKEY, and done everything asked of it without a whimper.

No, I have not tried to modify or improve it - IT'S NOT BROKE. Yes, all my hardware is top notch, hand built by me, and 100% plain vanilla - but at the very top edge of the technology envelope, or the bottom edge. I am sending this on a 12 year old HP ze5468CL with a Pentium 4 - nothing else runs on it like Puppy - yes, SUSE9 is still on it, and Win2000. But Pup is the best, from a CD.

I use Puppy at our lake house on mom-in-law's mega-fast HP, her husband was a NASA scientist - Puppy makes Vista look like the garbage it is. Last week I was mowing the yard, came in for a beer, and SHE WAS USING PUPPY - liked it better. Never used Linux in her life, almost 80 years old!! She said, "This is just so much faster and EASIER." She booted it from CD on her own, from watching me! Had moved her email messages and bookmarks ON HER OWN, from the Vista partition - JUST USING PUPPY'S TOOLS AND INSTRUCTIONS!!!! Who the heck else in the Linux world, or ANY world, can say that??

This prolix note is to say, you guys have nothing to worry about with a product like this. I am so impressed I am starting to look into the different variants of Puppy and how to make a custom version. I currently run Ubuntu Studio "Natty", that is 50%+ Debian on my quad-AMDX4 (16 total cores), OMG you won't believe it fast DAW. I mainly do music and video work now that I'm retired. But Puppy makes me ask, "Why the software overhead"? I use Windowmaker and GTK/GNU interface (can't get over the old NeXT I had...) and had everything the way I liked it in about 20 mins. when I lost a HD and used Pup to get going FAST. My system was restored and the replacement drive installed in less than an hour. Knoppix is great, but Puppy is GREATER.

You get my point. Don't overthink to the point of being hypercritical of something you have gotten really, really right. Yes, there's room for improvement, but NOT MUCH ROOM.

You have kept it simple enough to keep working right. Made good parameters and stuck to them. And made good choices that support your philosophy - but users CAN install other progs they need, and that also works. What's not to love in this world of half-fast technology that is usually all talk and no walk.

I swear all subsequent posts will be brief. Thx.

F.

@ fudoki,

That was a very interesting and enjoyable read, especially about your mother-in-law's efforts and the fact that she chose to try Puppy....so many are afraid of anything outside the 'comfort zone', but she obviously didn't find Vi$ta a comfortable zone!

I hope BK sees your post..

Now that I have read through the whole thread (whew)....

I've been playing with Puppy since version 2. At that time I was a Win user, because that is what my computer came with. I knew it well. I've been around since the CPM days. Before that, mainframes. I never ran Puppy full time for any reason, but I knew what it was capable of, and I kept my eye on it.

I only switched to Linux full time just a few years ago. Prior to that, I did a lot of reading about Linux and a lot of distro hopping until I found one I liked. I've used that ever since. (I still distro explore quite a bit.) I've always kept a recent copy of Puppy nearby.

I've always liked Puppy, but I never used it full time until recently. It was a work issue that caused me to use Puppy on a regular basis. The reason was that Puppy was (I mean IS) the only fully functional Linux distribution that will operate off a USB stick and not just be a mirror of a live CD. It has real permanence in the real sense of the word.

In all that time, this is the first forum I have ever signed on to. I have read through plenty of them. That should tell you something.

It is recently that the Puppy package manager and available packages have really fleshed out. Puppy's appearance has gotten more consistent and didn't look like an application aggregate. I didn't like the cartoonish icons, but they do grow on you after a while. Puppy, now, has better hardware handling that some of the major distro's I've tested. There is all sorts of little tweaks and helps embedded all over it. This wasn't there in the early days.

What I am saying is that there is less reason for anyone to come to the Puppy forum for help. It is a much more robust, attractive, accessible, and useful distribution than it was in the beginning. Puppy's strength is that it is a fully usable operating system that is easily to install and run from practically any medium. Anyone with a brain can recognize that and always keep a copy nearby, even if they don't use it their main operating system.

I really doubt that DistroWatch, surveys, and download counts are going to give you an accurate picture of Puppy users. They use Puppy in as many varied ways and for many varied reasons as there are ways to install Puppy. The real question should be, do you have a copy of it and why.

I need to correct:

Do you keep a copy of Puppy nearby, and why?

Have been carrying around a 2Gb USB stick with Puppy on it for over a year now. It's an amazing convenience. When you ask a friend, "Can I use your computer for a couple minutes" and they see you have your own OS, they are amazed. There have been several Puppy "converts" who watched me bring up THEIR computer in seconds, do what I needed to do, saved my own files, and stuck them back in my pocket!

This kind of stuff grows on people, I know it did on me. Now I carry my "Pup Stick" (great marketing name for pre-installed Pup - if you guys want to use it to raise $$$, it's yours) with my truck keys and Swiss Army knife.

Hello,
As a Puppy user for some 4 odd years now, I am apt to agree about the "It aint broke" analogy..
However, I also must point out that no other distro allows the "tinkerer" in me to "dig around under the hood" like Puppy..
A "run as root" system, with a ton of modifiable scripts, and a willing and helpful forum, makes Puppy the "cats meow" for the geek in me..
In 2007 I went from a full M$ background to being a Linux noobie, and never looked back..
True, many users never see a need to post here..
But, for those who like to "push buttons", this forum is a godsend...
As is Puppy...
So easy to fix it when I bork it...
Every day is a learning experience..
One "Puppy bite" and I have Linux in my blood for good...
So to me, Puppy is a duality...
Works great OOTB, but fully customizable should you wish...
Woof woof...

I don't know what's up with the popularity or numbers, but I know even I have managed to interest more than a few others in Puppy. One comment I got back from another forum (specializing in another topic entirely, by the way) was something along the lines of, "Thanks for turning me on to Puppy, asterisk! Puppy is made of win! RAAWR!!" I would take that as a sign of considerable enthusiasm.

Intensity and fun matter, too, and shouldn't be forgotten in a wash of suspect numbers. Constant hand-wringing over whether or not Puppy can be a blockbuster hit with the Linux-running masses or with any group at all runs the risk of neglecting that which already makes Puppy a delight and a brilliant little system.

I actually think Puppy could do quite nicely for those few Windows power users who aren't too set in their ways to give Linux a fair shake. I know one of the nicest things about Puppy when I first tried it was that there was nothing that even vaguely resembled Clippy, or any kind of condescending, "I know better" tone in dialogues and messages, and it didn't nanny me. (Even Ubuntu, circa vers. 8.04 threw a significant amount of that annoying crap at me.)

Finally, ROX Filer is indeed incredibly awkward if you've been weaned on Windows Explorer, and I was certainly befuddled by it for a couple of weeks, but once accustomed to it, it's perfectly functional.

plumtreed wrote:From a purely marketing standpoint, I suggest that the name, Puppy, is a choice that conveys a secondary, immature image. A stronger name might change the general feeling and impart a stronger sense of confidence.

Ah. Then I suppose I shouldn't suggest PEE: Puppy Enterprise Edition?

Counterpoint: No one seems to begrudge Google when they toy with their logo either for a geeky celebration or some holiday or historical event. A slightly light-hearted name or logo can stave off a perception of the project being pretentious. In other words, the Puppy logo and name, with its overt playfulness, is sort of like the opposite of Steve Jobs's iconic turtleneck. Sure, the turtleneck, jeans and showmanship work for some, but they also have a dissuasive effect on others.

Anyway, a "sense of confidence" would matter much more if Puppy were targeted at institutional or commercial install bases. It isn't targeted at them, though, and I think I much prefer it that way. Inevitably, distributions targeted at those groups end up as "Out house-sink" distros in order to satisfy every single use case with one distro, and that is the antithesis of Puppy.

vtpup wrote:I have a suggestion. Change the hotlink of the search button from http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/search.php to http://wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html

If you really miss the old way, add a second button next to it called "Painful Search" and add the old url.

Ladies and gentlemen, a genius resides among us.

I imagine most people come to the forum when they have a problem and then leave. That is no good measure of how many people enjoy using puppy. Just for the heck of it I dug an old dinosaur of a computer--4 gig hard drive 64 mb ram--and booted it with puppy, I was amazed that it nearly started up. It got to the tool bar before it died. With another hundred mb of ram it would probably work. I keep a pup cd and a 256 mb stick and a 2 gig stick with puppy on them. Never know when you will need it, and it is fun just to boot and mess around with. I think puppy has staying power and would not worry about its popularity.
KBD47

Funny, but of of my friend recently decided to switch to linux and tried some distros ( Ubuntu, Alt linux, etc) and finally found Puppy and now he is big puppy fan:)

I haven't read this topic. I just want to say I resent the title and the premise.

I don't think there was ever any statistic to support the premise that people were fleeing the kennels.

~

KBD47 :

If you had copied the main sfs file in lowercase to the hard drive,
it would have probably booted.

I always call it a cheat grugal.

Just like adding ram in a way.
It wouldn't be fast probably....but it would still be usable.

Example:

luci_528.sfs ... >> is Puppy lucid 5.28

pup-431.sfs ....>> Puppy 4.31

Chris

Thanks Chris!
KBD

Hello,
I like to believe there is a large # of lurkers, who register simply for the "view posts since last visit" button...