(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Volhout (in part( wrote:.. change phone every 2 years, and you will hardly find anyone with a 5 year old laptop.
We could do a poll, but I expect puppy forum visitors to be 45 in age average, if not higher.

I admit that I got a phone less than 2 years ago; TracFone offered a used one for $10, and it does have a 3.5mm jack. This laptop is from 2011. I am 84. I immigrated from Windows perhaps 5 to 10 years ago.
(Occasionally use WordPad, and 2 softwares for eBooks from the library.)

Volhout wrote:

Yes. Newbies are probably immigrants from Windows; less likely Ubuntu; least likely, some other major distro. They are used to Mommy doing everything. Web-browsers are essential. Time enough for them to 'cut their teeth' on some toy they feel they need enough to do a little work to get.

I doubt that.
Since MS does not charge for W10, the young generation is not interested in alternatives. They change phone every 2 years, and you will hardly find anyone with a 5 year old laptop.
We could do a poll, but I expect puppy forum visitors to be 45 in age average, if not higher.

Another reason why I dont expect puppy, and linux in general, to attract young folk is the speed in which it can adopt new technology. I.e. No phone maker has earphone connection anymore. In 1 year time all young ones will need Bluetooth for sound. I have not seen a good seemless bluetooth implementation in linux yet.

Puppy is a nice playground for us, we are all enjoying it, but I do not expect a spin off in the real world....

I picked up a 10 year old Gateway ZA8 laptop yesterday with case and two good batteries (large and small), looks like new. I paid the full asking price, $2 Canadian. Wouldn't boot to Windows Vista, no surprise there, but booted immediately to Puppy on a flashdrive. My 5 year old granddaughter has a birthday coming up. She already knows how to use Puppy to access paint programs and games. My birthday shopping is done.

I confess that I am 70 years old, and I still don't have a cellphone. What would I say anyway?

Cheers, J

Congratulations to the girl. I am sure she will have lots of fun, and she has a warm and loving grandfather, who will guide her on the way through puppy land. You are soo lucky man.

Volhout.

Thanks for those comments, jrb.
Lucky you living in BC! Did the Island, Howe Sound, Banff Springs, Lake L. and the Stampede next door, including the overnight train through the Rockies. One of the best experiences for me.
As for USB sticks, ankle deep in the beasts! The answer for you also would appear to be less-means-more. I don't have the time nor skills to mess with those deltas; since retiring ~20yrs ago the project list has grown out of proportion - maybe also beyond time available!

Hello all.

FYI --
The icecat browser still exists, if someone wishes to use an entirely non-proprietary
browser. The most recent version of icecat is version 60.3. The entire listing of
icecats is here. If anyone needs a language pack, they are located in this section.

IHTH.

So we end up with a pile of+1, +2, +3 ISOs, taking up gigs of data and just languishing there.
May I respectfully suggest that developers/ builders offer a PET in addition to a DELTA update of OS.
OR make a DELTA that will update the Puppy SFS.

DELTA was sort of OK in the Micko days of experimentation with thin Slacko, but soon becomes tiresome in the catchup game.

Smithy wrote:So we end up with a pile of+1, +2, +3 ISOs, taking up gigs of data and just languishing there.
May I respectfully suggest that developers/ builders offer a PET in addition to a DELTA update of OS.
OR make a DELTA that will update the Puppy SFS.

DELTA was sort of OK in the Micko days of experimentation with thin Slacko, but soon becomes tiresome in the catchup game.

Unless you're an avid collector of redundant isos - just delete any intermediate isos - keep just the base and the most recent - simples!

There is a utility to make a pet (mainly intended for full installs)...........
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=115088

A Puppy SFS only delta would be about the same size.......but would cause more problems for the "full install brigade"............

If the iso is uploaded to archive.org (ally generally does this as alternative download location), one can access and download individual files (only those that you need) from that iso. A very handy feature.

Double post

OK, I have done the developers job for them just once.
A convoluted affair, that seemed to get there eventually..
Precise Light Update PET: 121k as opposed to 8mb (don't know why,xz maybe)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aixnaymvlpa2d ... o.pet?dl=1

Smithy wrote:OK, I have done the developers job for them just once.
A convoluted affair, that seemed to get there eventually..
Precise Light Update PET: 121k as opposed to 8mb (don't know why,xz maybe)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aixnaymvlpa2d ... o.pet?dl=1

But isn't this one a bit of a community project. I don't like this attitude of "I have done the developers job for them just once" of yours.

peebee wrote:

Smithy wrote:So we end up with a pile of+1, +2, +3 ISOs, taking up gigs of data and just languishing there.
May I respectfully suggest that developers/ builders offer a PET in addition to a DELTA update of OS.
OR make a DELTA that will update the Puppy SFS.

DELTA was sort of OK in the Micko days of experimentation with thin Slacko, but soon becomes tiresome in the catchup game.

Unless you're an avid collector of redundant isos - just delete any intermediate isos - keep just the base and the most recent - simples!

There is a utility to make a pet (mainly intended for full installs)...........
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=115088

A Puppy SFS only delta would be about the same size.......but would cause more problems for the "full install brigade"............

Thanks for explaining this Peebee. If I might point out, in the extra time you spend waiting for an ISO to download you could download the .delta and build the new ISO. Its quick, easy and completely painless.

jrb wrote:Put the .delta file in the same directory as upupbb32-light-19.03-uefi+0.iso. Click once on the .delta file and then click "Generate" and its a done deal. You will have the new ISO. 175Mb

This reminds me of the early days in Puppyland when people kept insisting that you needed a Full install in linux, or that running as Root was the end of the world.

Smithy wrote:OK, I have done the developers job for them just once.
A convoluted affair, that seemed to get there eventually..
Precise Light Update PET: 121k as opposed to 8mb (don't know why,xz maybe)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aixnaymvlpa2d ... o.pet?dl=1

This is Puppy, we are all developers

I had better point out before anyone uses this .pet that this is the Bionic32-light thread, NOT!!! the Precise-light thread .Please only intstall this .pet in full installs or CD installs of Precise-light.

Yes, not even got round to trying your Bionic Light yet JRB

And don't forget the thousands who probably never post and run Puppy
from a usb stick in a "frugal" as it is called manner. Delta is a no no, Pet is a Yes.

Smithy?

You're such a great guy when you're not grouchy!

Take it easy, man.

I used to hate deltas, I even was afraid of them. But a delta is not an ugly centipede,
not a rat, not a cockroach: it's just a computer file.

Take a little time to study how to use them, and you'll find them practical.

Don't worry, nobody's asking you to love them or even like them!

BFN.

Hello all.

I very much like the approach of the cdrskin people to disc burning. IMO, it's much
more intuitive than that of the cdrecord utilities, even if cdrskin is a CLI app.

To burn a Puppy or DOG iso, the command is simply:or.
Plus their README doc provides good examples of most situations, so you're not
figuring out the action you wish to do, from scratch.

So... voilà ! Compiled for and on this upupbb32-light. The number at the end of
the file name is the ldd version for this pup. No guarantees, but I suspect this
compilation of cdrskin will work on any Pup with an ldd version equal to or higher
than 2.27. cdrskin-1.50 is the latest version as of this writing.

To reassemble a split archive, you know the drill, don't you?and then you click as usual on the restored pet archive to install it.

It's a bit like the delta thing, Smithy!

BFN.

I have just posted Portable Browser Installer which will download the latest Firefox, Palemoon and/or Seamonkey, install them to a drive of your choice, remember that drive even if the name changes (usb order of insertion), place an entry on the Internet menu and ask if you want to make it your default browser.

Running this way will save use of ram as the browser files are not uploaded to ram like Puppy.

Works very well in Bionic32-light for me. I may issue an update soon with this replacing the Firefox-portable default browser.

Cheers, J

Hello all.

If any of you experience the same non-US keyboard layout problem I had, I believe
I have figured it out,after much research and try-out of a number of keyboard-
related utilities.

I cannot say with absolute certainty that urxvt is the first upstream cause
-- maybe it is the way it was compiled?
-- Is it a glitch in version 9.22?
-- Is it the udev rules?
-- Is it some other language interface? ( E.g. i18n; MLterm comes with its own
i18n support. )
-- Is it the absence, in Puppy, of the traditional "kbd utils" found in other distros?
Whatever the ultimate cause may be, I now know that giving my CLI editors MLterm
support solved the problem.

The "ML" in MLterm stand for "multi-lingual". It was designed initially for Asian
languages, but if it can do that, it can accommodate "simpler" locales such as
fr_CA.UTF-8 and the ca keyboard layout.

MLterm has been around for a good while, but it is still maintained. As a matter of
fact, the devs have published a new version earlier this year.

MLterm lets me use the same ca keyboard layout in CLI as in GTK ( geany, for
ex., or any browser ), which urxvt seemed incapable of doing in the upupBB32's,
both jrb's and peebee's.

I will continue monitoring MLterm on my upupbb32-light for a day or two. If I get no
bugs, I'll make available a pet archive of the latest version, so other users of a
"latin" keyboard may benefit from this find.

BFN.

Hello all.

Please find attached a corrective for pmount mis-labeled labels.

I didn't edit anything. I just plucked the pmount and the required
function from jrb's Precise Light, and it worked.

Screenshots of correct pmount attached.

IHTH

new backgrounds

futwerk wrote:new backgrounds

Wow, more beautiful artwork. Thanks again futwerk.

Is it just me or is bionic6.jpg a bit erotic?