(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Hi,

Thanks for the tips about Opera.
I will try it for my surfing of the web. I tried QTweb, a very small web browser, but it didn't even start. Since i never used Opera, it didn't cross my mind to try it. I read somewhere Opera is still developed with old hardware and software in mind, whereas developers of Firefox do not.
Now Turboextreme will be a complete suite of apps, suited for a slow flashdrive.

labbe5 wrote:Hi,

Thanks for the tips about Opera.
I will try it for my surfing of the web. I tried QTweb, a very small web browser, but it didn't even start. Since i never used Opera, it didn't cross my mind to try it. I read somewhere Opera is still developed with old hardware and software in mind, whereas developers of Firefox do not.
Now Turboextreme will be a complete suite of apps, suited for a slow flashdrive.

You're welcome! Hope it works out for you.

Best,

CP .

Perhaps this was already known, but on my Dell D620 an already super fast Tubo was even faster when I remove the HD and booted from the Flash drive.

Because it doesn't bother to search for files even when Puppy is running?

All I had to do was remove one screw and I can pull the HD out with my fingernail. To replace, just push it back in. (all this with the power off of course)

Hi! I'm spanish 13 years old and my english isn't perfect.
If you use turbopup xtreme 1.0 with jwm, how many megabytes of ram do you need??
If you use turbopup xtreme 1.0 with icewm how many megabytes of ram do you need???
How many persons are developing this Operating System now?????
I need to know the answer to this questiions.
Thanks.

Hello dalmemail,

your english is fine. From first page of this thread:

Zero CPU overhead and extremely low memory footprint (uses ~10 MB of RAM!)

AFAIK it's not being maintained anymore. But you nay also be interested in these still active projects:

akita
pUPnGO
Lazyux

If you can give me support i will try to install Turbopup Xtreme on many computer (About 30)
But now it is a project.
Thanks.

Where can i download the Turbopup source code????
And :
Where can i compile it?????
Thanks....

dalmemail wrote:If you can give me support i will try to install Turbopup Xtreme on many computer (About 30)
But now it is a project.
Thanks.

Hi dalmemail. Turbopup Xtreme is a very old pup now. There would be much better puppies available. Why don't you explain what hardware you have, and what software you want to run, and someone might point you to a pup that would be good for your needs. Do you want to run a modern browser?

But Turbopup Xtreme 1.0 use the 100% of the hardware and with a small changes in my opinion it will can to be an interesting OS for Pentiums I with 16-24 mb of RAM.

....can to be an interesting OS for Pentiums 1... with 16-24 mb of RAM....

dalmemail. As much as I applaud your enthusiasm, you will struggle with such specifications. And you have up to 30 of these Pentium 1's? What is the CPU frequency in MHz?

It depends.....
about 75-150-170 MHZ

Dalmemail;

In 2014 that's very old, and you're doing well if you can still use them at all.

I'd say go ahead and use Turbo Extreme on your computers, at least until someone else knows of something better to put on them (I don't).

Best wishes,

CP .

Colonel Panic wrote: In 2014 that's very old, and you're doing well if you can still use them at all.

I'd say go ahead and use Turbo Extreme on your computers, at least until someone else knows of something better to put on them (I don't).

Best wishes,

CP .

Just for say, there is something as example KolibriOS but, to speak frankly, I'm still a Puppy fan !

dalmemail, I never succeeded in booting Puppy in 16MB ram PCs. The only one who booted in 16MB was onebone that is a non-graphical puppy (no X server). If you try onebone, download the 'elinks' version, so you will be able to surf internet with elinks text web browser.

If you want X server, I think the best choice is Barebones 2.01r2: read my posts here and here. To install Puppy without wasting CDs, read here.

Turbopup is my preferred puppy in PCs with at least 128MB ram, I wouldn't use it in your PCs.

If you don't really need 30 PCs, you can pick up some RAM sticks from unneeded PCs and insert it in empty ram slots of another PC (I think pentium I motherboards need Edo Ram 72 pin, they need to be inserted in couples of 2) so to increase Ram to at least 32MB. Be sure to format your hard disc in ext2 and add a swap partition of at least 128MB (I hope you know how to use fdisk).

Kolibri is cute, but not so useful and lacks a real web browser. If you have 2 floppies, try Blueflops instead: a console only Linux distribution featuring 2.6.18 kernel, ethernet and serial modem ppp support, usb pendrive support, GRAPHICAL and text web browser. It can also boot from cd (download and burn the 'eltorito' iso) and hard disk using grub (kernel memdisk ; initrd blueflops-2.0.15.ElTorito-2.88-boot.img - rename it in shorter blueflops.img !).

Good luck!

Yes, or there's Basic Linux, which also runs off 2 floppies or a DOS partition on a hard drive. I remember running it on a Pentium 100, browsing the Web using Opera 5, and Blackbox for the window manager; happy days .

There are two different versions of Basic, BL2 and BL3;

http://mujweb.cz/basiclinux2/

http://distro.ibiblio.org/baslinux/

I had 32 MB of RAM to run it in though. I don't know how it'd be in 16 MB but it should be OK.

Failing that, you could set it up as a DOS computer, using either MS-DOS or FreeDOS and surf the Web in Arachne. I did that on a 486 (8 MB of RAM) at the start of the noughties.

Or; there used to be a floppy based demo of an operating system called QNX, which was absolutely amazing. It could write using a basic text editor, play a simple game (Tower of Hanoi if I remember rightly), and surf the net using dialup (and post on forums). All from one 1.44 MB floppy.

The only downside it had was that I never found a way to save the settings, so I had to reconfigure the Internet connection on it every time I used it.

KolibriOS is a good system but Turbopup have got support and software.
THANKS

dalmemail wrote:KolibriOS is a good system but Turbopup have got support and software.
THANKS

Okay. Once you get the operating system up and running, what software do you hope to be able to run, and what you do intend to do with the software? Even if you were to get the operating system to run in such small memory, you still face the fact that there is so little contemporary software that will be usable.

One big problem with using old hardware is that its circuit boards were made using standard quality ("cheap") components so it could at the time be priced competitively, so you'll keep running into problems of component failure or intermittent operation of the power supply, floppy disk reader, etc., and the HD will be well and truly past its expected life. You can go to a lot of trouble tinkering and fine tuning to set up a dozen P1's only to find you are plagued by unreliability. Even if you have squirreled away a dozen boxes of unused 3.5" floppy disks, you will be dismayed to find how few can be formatted today without bad blocks! And after a couple of uses, the 'goods' ones will be showing faults.

Been there, done that!

Try my cheat frugal method dalmemail.

Just copy the main file onto the hard drive in lower case.

It will extract like this >> pup_420xtreme.sfs

Works like a cheap ram upgrade.

Boot Puppy cd...
hopefully Turbopup boots from the >> sfs file on the hard drive

faster than from cd.

Exclusive to Puppy since Puppy 2.02.

Costs you nothing....try this method.

Chris.

Actually I'm running Turbopup quite well on PIII - 600Mhz, 128 RAM, 512 MB SWAP partition.
Works fast as long as you don't use ram hungry applications. Default Seamonkey is old version and can't open some sites but it is still useful for such old hardware. I even can boot Turbopup from USB on this machine using Plop boot floppy disk.
http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/download.html
One disadvantage is the USB is mounted read-only and you can't use save file on it but you can have save file on the hard drive.

But with Processor 50-175 Mhz and 16-24 Ram I think it will be a pain for the user to use Turbopup even if it boots. I doubt that BTW.

As much as I hate to admit this but based on my experience with old hardware such yours, dalmemail, Windows 95 (maybe even 98 ) will work much better than any puppy available.

This does not mean you should not try, but I would look here instead Turbopup:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=48214

Toni

I agree with cthisbear...
But, in my opinion, the points are more or less as said by Shep:
- what is the target in terms of user friendly graphical interface for user
- what are the uses (and then the softwares) he wants.
If anyone would like to surf on web, then a lot of sites (maybe the main parts... ) need of graphical support and then that hw would be useless in every case.
If the target is only to write some text, with few extra needs, maybe some text editor from terminal could be enough...