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Hi Everyone !

Find 28.- slower than 27.9.4 ..........can anybody else confirm ?
Using 32 bit Version .

Anyone found a way to get YouTube videos working?

Otherwise it's back to 27.9, I'm afraid!

No backi, can't say I've found it noticeably slower, but then, having run it for a couple of days, can't say I've found any advantage from having installed this update either!

a_salty_dogg wrote:Anyone found a way to get YouTube working?

28.0.0 (32-bit) "just works" for me.
And it's working better than version 24 did [which would eventually freeze Youtube video, and I had to copy the url to "Slimjet" to play the video].

Oh that's very odd; I just get the "loading" circle then after a little while a transparent message on the video screen telling me "If playback doesn't begin shortly, try restarting your device."
32 bit here also.

Have tried thus far in Xenial 7.09 and Slacko 5.70, two extremes, with same result. Will now go and update a Tahr's and a Precise's Palemoon to make absolutely certain.

Strange thing is Twitter videos play just fine as they do on 27.9, which has often been a problem with older Palemoon versions running on older Puppies.

The result of my Palemoon v28 test:
old and very old pc = Palemoon v27.9.4 or v26 series
new modern pc = Palemoon v28 series

From release notes.
Latest release: 28.0.0
Pale Moon is specifically optimized for current-day processors and as such requires a reasonably modern system to run properly.

So, people having issues.
What is your hardware?

bigpup wrote:What is your hardware?

My old pc:
3 Ghz dual core CPu
1.5GB RAM
+ 128MB RAM NVidia card (the video ram integrated into the card)
V28-Palemoon's normal web browsing ok, only youtube is a problem.
Youtube html5 playback starts, it works fine for some time, but after a while, it starts freezing.
Palemoon browser replacement, v27.9.4 I do not have this problem.

In xenialpup 64, the updater doesn't work anymore for palemoon, too bad .
"the latest version number could not be retrieved."
I installed the version 28.0.0 manually by unzipping to /opt . Good news : it is much faster than the previous version. I will update my benchmark results later.

@bigpup

That's the irony, I've just been forced to go out and buy a (to me) monster, sparkling, state-of-the-art, machine with 4 GB RAM, dual-core processor, and with all the bells and whistles, after my old faithful Optiplex GX270 (that's the one with the notoriously dodgy motherboard) 1.5 GB, P4, antique workhorse, which I've been nursing along for close on 10 years, finally died last weekend.

Think that should be able to cope with a Palemoon update!

I get the "failed to find version number" issue as well. is that a permanent thing or have they just incorporated updates into the software?

Needs to be updated from 27 to 28 manually, as detailed here.

Sounds like the installer program isn't compatible with the new "profile format" and will no longer work, though 28.0.0 has the "update" button at "Help > About Pale Moon" so it's worth trying that when the next update's available.

spiritwild wrote:I get the "failed to find version number" issue as well. is that a permanent thing or have they just incorporated updates into the software?

The new version has auto updates. Install it to /opt

Youtube html5 playback starts, it works fine for some time, but after a while, it starts freezing.

In Palemoon preferences is the cache setup to auto adjust or do you have it set to a specific number?

bigpup wrote:In Palemoon preferences is the cache setup to auto adjust or do you have it set to a specific number?

In Palemoon preferences, the cache is set to default, factory, auto, which currently occupies an area of 24.2MB.
This is not the reason for the indicated problem.
But I no longer care about v28, I'm back to v27.9.4, it works perfectly.

ntamas wrote:In Palemoon preferences, the cache is set to default, factory, auto, which currently occupies an area of 24.2MB.
This is not the reason for the indicated problem.
But I no longer care about v28, I'm back to v27.9.4, it works perfectly.

Why don't you use a 64 bit puppy ? V28 works perfectly on xenialpup 64.

linuxcbon wrote:The new version has auto updates. Install it to /opt

Make sure that /opt/palemoon is writable by the user. But in Puppy, the user generally is root, so this won't be a problem for Puppy.

backi wrote:Find 28.- slower than 27.9.4 ..........can anybody else confirm ?
Using 32 bit Version .

Apparently, hardware acceleration is not enabled yet on v28. If you have a newer machine with a fast CPU, you may not notice, e.g. my Ivybridge Dell with 8 gigs of ram. On my 10-year-old Core2 with 3 gigs of ram, 27.9.4 could handle Youtube 720p fullscreen in standard build, 1080p fullscreen with non-standard optimizations. But 28.0 can only handle 480p in fullscreen.

Yes, hardware acceleration not enabled in version 28.0.0. youtube is impossible to use, much too slow, even in 64 bits linux. how could they miss this ?

Walter Dnes wrote: Apparently, hardware acceleration is not enabled yet on v28. If you have a newer machine with a fast CPU, you may not notice, e.g. my Ivybridge Dell with 8 gigs of ram. On my 10-year-old Core2 with 3 gigs of ram, 27.9.4 could handle Youtube 720p fullscreen in standard build, 1080p fullscreen with non-standard optimizations. But 28.0 can only handle 480p in fullscreen.

That's why I wrote that version 28 is working properly on my 32-bit system for normal web browsing, the problem is with youtube and the WebM that it uses.

The fmmpeg and other codec dependencies needed to use WebM are on the machine, but WebM playback is still problematic.
It works, but not good, and after a while - as I wrote it - the machine starts freezing when it comes to youtube video, it does not respond to the mouse, the html5 player's config button on the youtobe website can not be used properly either. In this case, when the 28th Palemoon is frozen (or at least shows such symptoms), the mouse can not operate the config button on the html5 player built into the youtube page, only after multiple experiments. Even if I stop video playback, then I try to set the config button and change the video resolution. You have to succeed, but not to.
I did not encounter such a problem in version 27.9.4 of Palemoon. Here, my old computer can only play the 720 resolution normally, even on full screen. Video playback is not good at higher resolution.

Walter Dnes wrote:Pale moon 28.0.0 has been released. Release notes are at http://www.palemoon.org/releasenotes.shtml

Beware that 28.0.0 changes profile format. This is one-way, and you can't go back to 27.x with the modified profiles. If you want an escape hatch back to 27.x, back up the

".moonchild productions"

directory first, and restore when returning to 27.x. Preliminary testing indicates that PM 28 works as far back as Slacko 5.4. This would rule out Slacko 5.3 and Lucid (5.2.8.7). Sorry, no SSE-only version.

Distros should have updates soon. If you want to install from the tarball, see http://linux.palemoon.org/download/mainline/ Make sure that you select the proper version
32 bit ==> x86
64 bit ==> x64

Thanks VERY MUCH for the warning. Heading back to 27.9.4 until they get the YouTube problem sorted.