official (momanager) language packs

[L18L]

#130525 L18L replace intltool-update by msgmerge

I presumed that was the code in your reply to Don570...so added that now.

Exactly!
... and this code snippet has made it into official momanager
http://bkhome.org/blog2/?viewDetailed=00267
(where Barry says it occurs in two places.)

I really should build an actual version of fast momanager soon.

edit
...done

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deleted 13 times downloaded pet

please simply use newer momanager-130601.pet: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 9&start=85

[L18L]

How would you like this sort

alphabetic
case insensitive
basename. not PATH



I have found it difficult to find any script in the old sort order

[Bert]

How would you like this sort

alphabetic
case insensitive
basename. not PATH



I have found it difficult to find any script in the old sort order

Great idea!

I have a secret momanager wish list, one of the items on that list was a search function...your idea is much better. It would certainly clear up the interface.

PATH is probably only useful for people like me, still learning where things are in Puppy?
Otherwise, would it be helpful to do:

alphabetic
case insensitive
basename, then PATH

?

Would the latest edited file be still on top in this new setup? Or is that then redundant, given the ease with which to find a file?

Anyhow, I vote 5 stars for your idea

[don570]

My wish list ---

A warning about old .pot files

If the script has been changed momanager uses the old
pot file and becomes confused. I've had more problems with
old pot files than anything else.

_________________________________

[vicmz]

Why not use the new Puppies built with woof2 ?
... and improve them if there should be anything wrong in them ?

That's actually what I say and do. Maybe some people feel nostalgic, like they miss that times, or maybe they think their hardware is too old for a newer Puppy.

[L18L]

...Maybe some people feel nostalgic...

... and English only is part of that nostalgic

They all should try shinobar's waryq...

[L18L]

My wish list ---

A warning about old .pot files

If the script has been changed momanager uses the old
pot file and becomes confused. I've had more problems with
old pot files than anything else.

_________________________________

Check the POT-Creation-Date

momanager is always trying to create an actual pot file for scripts,
except in case when a pot file or a po file is found.

Look for example at
"POT-Creation-Date: 2011-08-27 16:07+0100\n"

is it from today?
No?
So it is old and you should delete .pot and .po

... and momanager will
- create an actual pot file
- merge your existing translations

You have to check
- empty msgstr
- Fuzzy marked translations
- delete unneeded #

[L18L]

I have a secret momanager wish list

Could you publish this list please?

PATH is probably only useful for people like me, still learning where things are in Puppy?

Where is what in puppy? (How I do it)
You know the text in the menu only. ex: Pcur

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# which Pcur
#

returned nothing because there is no executable Pcur.
So you will grep the menu:

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# grep Pcur .jwmrc
<Program label="Pcur Mauszeiger-Auswahl" icon="default_left_ptr.png">pcur</Program>
<Program label="PcurlFtp Datei sharing" icon="pc-2x.xpm">rox -d /root/File-Sharing</Program>

from which you pick the program pcur.
...now command which will show you where it is:

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# which pcur
/usr/sbin/pcur
#

That's it

Otherwise, would it be helpful to do:

alphabetic
case insensitive
basename, then PATH

I understand. Just the base name at the beginning would make it easiest possible for you (and me). But that would have to result in too big changes from Barry's momanager. I want the changes in the code being very simple, and just sorting is simple.

Would the latest edited file be still on top in this new setup? Or is that then redundant, given the ease with which to find a file?

Yes it is on top because everything other than this would slow it down again.

-----
what is new in attached momanager-20130602 ?
scripts are sorted
binaries are sorted

edit
12 x downloaded momanager-20130602 deleted
simply use newer momanager.pet: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 9&start=85

[Bert]

My wish list ---

A warning about old .pot files

If the script has been changed momanager uses the old
pot file and becomes confused. I've had more problems with
old pot files than anything else.

_________________________________

Check the POT-Creation-Date

momanager is always trying to create an actual pot file for scripts,
except in case when a pot file or a po file is found.

Look for example at
"POT-Creation-Date: 2011-08-27 16:07+0100\n"

is it from today?
No?
So it is old and you should delete .pot and .po

... and momanager will
- create an actual pot file
- merge your existing translations

That looks like one of the many L18L-posts that should be stickied

is it from today?
No?
So it is old and you should delete .pot and .po

Delete from? /usr/share/doc/nls only?

[Bert]

I have a secret momanager wish list

Could you publish this list please?

Well it's a short wish list really:

1. a search/find function, you know the luxurious type: just type 'pc' and up come all the entries for 'pcur'.

2. A 'Preferences' button ( or 'Settings' button) for Momanager:

* whenever I start a new translation, there's the MoManager intro-window, which I have to OK. Not really needed. So in 'Preferences' I tick 'No thanks, I've read it a hundred times'

* whenever I start a new translation, I am asked to choose between 'nl' and 'nl.NL'. I would like to teach MoManager I only use e.g. 'nl'. So this could be in the MoManager 'Preferences' as a predefined choice, not asked again at every new start of a translation.

* whenever I start a new translation, MoManager wants to know if I'm root@localhost ...I'm Bert and I typed in my email address so many times, I will never be able to forget it. So, in 'Preferences' there's a field to enter your email address once and for all.

PATH is probably only useful for people like me, still learning where things are in Puppy?

Where is what in puppy? (How I do it)
You know the text in the menu only. ex: Pcur

Code: Select all

# which Pcur
#

returned nothing because there is no executable Pcur.
So you will grep the menu:

Code: Select all

# grep Pcur .jwmrc
<Program label="Pcur Mauszeiger-Auswahl" icon="default_left_ptr.png">pcur</Program>
<Program label="PcurlFtp Datei sharing" icon="pc-2x.xpm">rox -d /root/File-Sharing</Program>

from which you pick the program pcur.
...now command which will show you where it is:

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# which pcur
/usr/sbin/pcur
#

That's it

Thanks for this new voodoo lesson
When I type ' which Pcur' in terminal, I get:

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 /usr/sbin/pcur

The grep stuff is probably for learning purposes?

Otherwise, would it be helpful to do:

alphabetic
case insensitive
basename, then PATH

I understand. Just the base name at the beginning would make it easiest possible for you (and me). But that would have to result in too big changes from Barry's momanager. I want the changes in the code being very simple, and just sorting is simple.

Wouldn't it make sense to fork Fast MoManager for a while? That would allow you to freely explore new territory.
Your original sorting idea is too good to get compromised by the need to keep compatibility with our grand master BK.

[Bert]

Okay, this is about my problem with MoManager described on top of last page.

L18L tried to reproduce it and could not do so.

Neither can I, but I don't need to, as it reproduces itself... randomly.(or so it seems)

I'll try to explain: I can translate a couple of files without any problem and then suddenly things go wrong in one of two ways:

1. This is what happens most often: when trying to edit a left side file, MoManager is unable to merge the .po and .pot files and pops up "BAD NEWS", etc..

2. Same as 1., but a seemingly random amount of right side (untranslated) files (without a .mo) move to the left side.
After restarting MM, everything is back to normal.

As no other translators are complaining about this, I can only conclude:

* no one is really actively using MM at the moment, I mean doing translation with many files still to go.

OR:

* I have a local problem that is not yet understood.

Using the 20130601 pet didn't solve it.

I'm not panicking, as it is more or less usable. But something is definitely not right.

[L18L]

...Delete from? /usr/share/doc/nls only?

Yes or move it elsewhere.[/quote]

#120731 any script can have a pre-existing .pot file in /usr/share/doc/nls, it will automatically be used instead of generating a .pot file.
#

When I type ' which Pcur' in terminal, I get:
Code:
/usr/sbin/pcur

So I guess you are using something other than precise5.6.1.

The grep stuff is probably for learning purposes?

Yes, I had the impression that you wanted to learn something

[L18L]

Well it's a short wish list really:

1. a search/find function, you know the luxurious type: just type 'pc' and up come all the entries for 'pcur'.

2. A 'Preferences' button ( or 'Settings' button) for Momanager:

* whenever I start a new translation, there's the MoManager intro-window, which I have to OK. Not really needed. So in 'Preferences' I tick 'No thanks, I've read it a hundred times'

* whenever I start a new translation, I am asked to choose between 'nl' and 'nl.NL'. I would like to teach MoManager I only use e.g. 'nl'. So this could be in the MoManager 'Preferences' as a predefined choice, not asked again at every new start of a translation.

* whenever I start a new translation, MoManager wants to know if I'm root@localhost ...I'm Bert and I typed in my email address so many times, I will never be able to forget it. So, in 'Preferences' there's a field to enter your email address once and for all.

.... and I add:
suppress create button for empty list
.... and I readd:
sort by base name.......

Now to get onto what really matters... having fun with Puppy.

.... and fork

[L18L]

Wish number 2 became true

Note the Preferences button

Have fun

[Bert]

Wow .. what can I say, never really expected you to implement this and certainly not this fast. Just wonderful

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showINTRO=no 
transLANG=nl
myEMAIL=bert@

* Email: It now says "Automatically generated" in the .po heading. When does this happen? I reopened a translated file and it still says this. Email generation when the pet is created?

Thank You Very Much L18L!

[L18L]

* Email: It now says "Automatically generated" in the .po heading.

Sorry, my bug

gettext-tool msginit scans your PC about all known email clients where there could be your email addresses (yes: plural)
and $USER@$HOST which is root@localhost. If there is more than 1 address it has to be selected, just one address has to be confirmed.

I have inserted the --no-translator parameter which creates the "Automatically generated".

... and wanted to change this into $myEMAIL.

Reviewing the code I see my mistake: I forgot to change de.po (my test file) to output-file ${ATEXTDOMAIN}.po
in lines: 917 1062 1647 1656

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sed -i 's/ de.po/ ${ATEXTDOMAIN}.po/' /usr/sbin/momager

will repair this. (copy the code into console and press ENTER key )

Or wait for next version which will have also other improvements

[Bert]

Repaired
(after correcting 'momager' typo in code)
((funny, I often have that typo too! ))

It works flawlessly on new files.

But the file I translated yesterday still has "Automatically generated" in the header, even after editing and saving it twice.

So, for existing translations the programme doesn't use the $myEMAIL , it seems.
(which is maybe a design decision, not a bug )

Thanks again.

[L18L]

...
So, for existing translations the programme doesn't use the $myEMAIL , it seems.
(which is maybe a design decision, not a bug )

Yes it it is a design decision.
msginit is invoked only for create.

Here is next version 130604 :

language in head line
--empty-- simply makes momanager restart now
search

[Bert]

Looking good!

Nice to have the correct language notation on top ('de' or 'de.DE')

After reading your thread about"How to find typo in mo file", I'm beginning to understand what you had in mind for the search engine.

To be honest, my proposal was much more modest: I was thinking about a find-function only for the script names in the Momanager lists. That was before you decided to reconsider 'sort by basename'...

But I can see how your search function will become useful.

"--empty--"...nice..but why? (no need to reply, I'll get it in a few hours )

I'll continue playing with FFMM-20130604 now.
Thanks!

[L18L]

"--empty--"...nice..but why? (no need to reply, I'll get it in a few hours )

But it is fun to reply.

You will never get it because nothing happens.
Before this improvement I had to cancel the edit of a file named ".po" and click some cancel buttons when I was accidently clicking "create" button for --empty--.

BTW do you have --empty-- at left side?
If yes then you could have tried it.