Puppy Squeeze Reborn 4.9.9.1 Alpha 2
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The ISO is up! Posting this from it, seems good. Abiword and Gnumeric work and I don't see the tearing bug we had in Lucid.
And thanks, pemasu, I guess I'll add those libraries and Flash to the next build. It's smaller than 100 MB, we have 26 MB to waste ...
And thanks, pemasu, I guess I'll add those libraries and Flash to the next build. It's smaller than 100 MB, we have 26 MB to waste ...
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So the bloat starts, really you don't need debian packages for software just libs only, Plus abiword can be built without Goffice and so you can still ditch Gnumeric and just make a extra pet for it, I was impressed with your initial release but already your running for the easy way out, is the devx faulty or are you just being lazy? Please keep this release as small as possible and I'll support it but in your past releases you went the easy way and I walked. As for all woof variety's go Dpup has been the best from the very first one tronkle produced a few years ago. The speed that firefox works is very good, but bloat is always a very large turn-off, abiword and some sort of all-in-one media player is really what most users need. Debian packages are ok at a least but puppy tested ones are 10-1 better. As long as the lib's are the same version numbers than I don see any reason to add any new debian ones unless you can't compile them.Iguleder wrote:Good news, I added Debian's Abiword and Gnumeric. They're more stable than the latest and some people (DaveS ) use them for mission-critical stuff, so we're better stick with Debian's packages.
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Don't worry, ttuuxxx.
I want to experiment with Abiword and Gnumeric, especially the former, which has many dependencies.
As I said, I won't be home for a few days, so I won't be able to work on it, so I want to build both next week, towards weekend.
I want to experiment with Abiword and Gnumeric, especially the former, which has many dependencies.
As I said, I won't be home for a few days, so I won't be able to work on it, so I want to build both next week, towards weekend.
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http://iguleder.info/puppy/dpup/squeeze-4.9.9.1-alpha2/
The download links in the first page does not work. Above link works.
Keeping bloat out. I would start with leaving Abiword and Gnumeric out. And offering them as pet and sfs and also latest Libre Office as pet and sfs.
With smallest ttuuxxx compile abiworgd, goffice and gnumeric takes as decompressed 27 Mb. I think that is for many bloat.
It isnt big thing to install them if you need them. And if you dont and want to use Libre Office or Softmaker 2008 or 2010 you are ready to go without almost working Abiword and better working Gnumeric.
Well....probably war starts now and I emphatize that above is my HO. Nothing else. Every distro builder do his own decisions and that is the priviledge when you are the one who do the hard work.
The download links in the first page does not work. Above link works.
Keeping bloat out. I would start with leaving Abiword and Gnumeric out. And offering them as pet and sfs and also latest Libre Office as pet and sfs.
With smallest ttuuxxx compile abiworgd, goffice and gnumeric takes as decompressed 27 Mb. I think that is for many bloat.
It isnt big thing to install them if you need them. And if you dont and want to use Libre Office or Softmaker 2008 or 2010 you are ready to go without almost working Abiword and better working Gnumeric.
Well....probably war starts now and I emphatize that above is my HO. Nothing else. Every distro builder do his own decisions and that is the priviledge when you are the one who do the hard work.
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I'm not going to participate in any flame war.
Anyway, the next release will take time, I'm gonna give alpha 2 a long life of a week or two.
I need to rebuild the kernel, Abiword, Gnumeric and E17. So far, the next build has Flash (and the Mozilla libraries required for it) and Diffutils in the main SFS.
The first thing I want to deal with is the kernel, I want it to be good like 2.6.32.42.
Anyway, the next release will take time, I'm gonna give alpha 2 a long life of a week or two.
I need to rebuild the kernel, Abiword, Gnumeric and E17. So far, the next build has Flash (and the Mozilla libraries required for it) and Diffutils in the main SFS.
The first thing I want to deal with is the kernel, I want it to be good like 2.6.32.42.
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I did say make a gnumeric pet which would included Goffice, only abiword would be needed to be added, and the last Abiword I made was for 2.14X and it was 4.8MB expanded respectfully. That's not really bloat, its more like oh yeah baby.pemasu wrote:
With smallest ttuuxxx compile abiworgd, goffice and gnumeric takes as decompressed 27 Mb. I think that is for many bloat.
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I added liblzo for the squashfs_tools 4.2 I just built. I decided to add lzop too. I'm also rebuilding the kernel at the moment, with some improvements that should make Aufs much faster.
I started a clean build in a directory called "beta" and I want it to be beta quality. Once the kernel is ready, I'll rebuild E17 so I have a solid base to work on.
I also want to experiment with LZO compression, which should make the main SFS much bigger (+20-30 MB), but way faster. Shell scripts simply fly with LZO, because the main SFS decompresses transparently and you get near-native speed.
EDIT: the new kernel is ready, here.
I started a clean build in a directory called "beta" and I want it to be beta quality. Once the kernel is ready, I'll rebuild E17 so I have a solid base to work on.
I also want to experiment with LZO compression, which should make the main SFS much bigger (+20-30 MB), but way faster. Shell scripts simply fly with LZO, because the main SFS decompresses transparently and you get near-native speed.
EDIT: the new kernel is ready, here.
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LZO decompresses nicely with file-roller plus other formats that xarchiver doesn't, That's why I added both to 2.14X, both have there ups and downs, but combined you can open just about anything.Iguleder wrote:I added liblzo for the squashfs_tools 4.2 I just built. I decided to add lzop too. I'm also rebuilding the kernel at the moment, with some improvements that should make Aufs much faster.
I started a clean build in a directory called "beta" and I want it to be beta quality. Once the kernel is ready, I'll rebuild E17 so I have a solid base to work on.
I also want to experiment with LZO compression, which should make the main SFS much bigger (+20-30 MB), but way faster. Shell scripts simply fly with LZO, because the main SFS decompresses transparently and you get near-native speed.
EDIT: the new kernel is ready, here.
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Here's the development one. A 'lil bit better, has some fixes.
It also contains two patches, one to choose the compression (gzip, LZO or XZ) in 3builddistro and another one with fixes required for E17.
It also contains two patches, one to choose the compression (gzip, LZO or XZ) in 3builddistro and another one with fixes required for E17.
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Testing now the uploaded 2.6.39 kernel version distro. I unsquashed the main sfs and added those missing stuff mentioned in this thread. I unsquashed it in Lucid 266 devel version, It needed different squashsfstool to succeed.
Diffutils addition didnt fix the drive icons problem after mounting. Still the same bug.
But...I can write now straight. Great !!!
You got icons to the menu. Another great !!!
My wired atheros nic is now recognized. Third great !!!
Oops. I seem to have forgotten to add ntfs prog, I can open ntfs read-only only.
Overall, getting better.
EDIT. ntfs-3g package fixed the read-write to ntfs partition.
Diffutils addition didnt fix the drive icons problem after mounting. Still the same bug.
But...I can write now straight. Great !!!
You got icons to the menu. Another great !!!
My wired atheros nic is now recognized. Third great !!!
Oops. I seem to have forgotten to add ntfs prog, I can open ntfs read-only only.
Overall, getting better.
EDIT. ntfs-3g package fixed the read-write to ntfs partition.
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The last one is here. Woof is processing the beta packages at the moment, once it's done I'm gonna build a testing build with the recompiled kernel and Firefox.
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To test on this laptop (it has dpup 009 now) and my netbook (has Fluppy 013 now) the most-recent (for at least a week) version is found at the link, above?pemasu wrote:http://iguleder.info/puppy/dpup/squeeze-4.9.9.1-alpha2/.
I will test and report back.
It is great news that Opera, Abiword, and Gnumeric will be outside of the distro. The more that is outside the better IMHO, because then problems are far easier to troubleshoot and upgrades more-simple to install. Can CUPS be kept outside of the distro as well? It has been a chronic problem for years and once it fails is often impossible to repair - short of a complete system reinstall - far too many hyper-sensitive dependencies and no discernible conflict-detection code.
BTW: Is there some sort of filter on the Forum now? If so it is malfunctioning. Only 1 of every three or so posts I make are showing-up.
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I think I'll leave the browser and the office stuff in for now, but I do intend to replace Opera with something free (as in speech). I'm compiling IceCat now and it kills my poor 'lil netbook.
I have a nice idea, though - I could write a small subset of Puppizard that installs browsers from their official binary distribution. This could work great for Firefox, Seamonkey, Chrome and Opera. Zero size and great choice.
I have a nice idea, though - I could write a small subset of Puppizard that installs browsers from their official binary distribution. This could work great for Firefox, Seamonkey, Chrome and Opera. Zero size and great choice.
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