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Posted: Sat 09 Feb 2013, 17:30
by rcrsn51
nooby wrote:The Error 60 discontig thing seems to happen to me each time I transfer a new iso to it. So that is a disappointment.
Did you delete any ISOs from the USB drive before adding new ones? That would be a sure way to cause the problem.
Other than running a Windows defragging tool or starting over, there is no way around this.
Posted: Sat 09 Feb 2013, 17:53
by nooby
Oops did not know that was a No No to do. Sorry.
Another error surfaces. Error 62 Number of heads
--heads=0 may not work for you
and it did not. Second time me have that error.
Damn I hate using Ms Windows.
Why did all those Linux fans tell me to discard Ms Win
all together. It is obvious one need it at time.
Take Smartphones. They only upgrade if one have Ms Windows
for the phone maker does not do it over linux. Crazy.
But Puppyluvr told about this trick that one should copy files too and fro
but he recommend ext3 for to make it work best?
Is that something you remember? Maybe only work of the fat32
is low level formatted and not the fast format by Gparted?
Posted: Sat 09 Feb 2013, 18:07
by rcrsn51
nooby wrote:Oops did not know that was a No No to do. Sorry.
That was my mistake for not mentioning it in the instructions. If you will continue testing on a new setup, I would like to know how many ISOs you can load without getting the error.
Another error surfaces. Error 62 Number of heads --heads=0 may not work for you
This problem is mentioned in the instructions with TInyCore Linux. I have seen several other distros that do it.
You must manually edit the menu.lst file and make this change
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title xxx
....
map --heads=0 --sectors-per-track=0 (hd0,0)/xxx.iso (0xff)
....
Damn I hate using Ms Windows.
What does this have to do with Windows?
But Puppyluvr told about this trick that one should copy files too and fro
This was my other suggestion - to get a second USB drive and copy all the ISOs from one to the other. But it's probably easier for you to just start over.
Posted: Sat 09 Feb 2013, 20:53
by nooby
Thanks I used your code to edit that menu.lst and that made wonder
It booted Crunchbang and I use that OS now to write in the forum.
So what other Linux OS should I try? I have only tested on small
cheap USBflash 1GB so that is too small I should try bigger ones
and several Os on each.
I will most likely use gparted to wipe these clean each time.
Hopefully that work.
I am not sure but I got the impression they get corrupted each time
but that could be me deleted for to free up space for the next OS
Posted: Sun 10 Feb 2013, 13:40
by rcrsn51
nooby wrote:I am not sure but I got the impression they get corrupted each time but that could be me deleted for to free up space for the next OS
When you delete a file, that leaves a "hole" in your filesystem. When you add a new file, your OS will eventually want to use the empty space in that hole. But if the new file is too big to fit in the hole, the OS will need to split it up into pieces. Now the file is discontiguous.
If you have a large USB drive, the OS may not need to use the hole. But with only 1 GB, you will definitely run into problems.
So what other Linux OS should I try?
I thought that you had hundreds of them
I will most likely use gparted to wipe these clean each time. Hopefully that work.
It will definitely work.
Posted: Sun 10 Feb 2013, 14:10
by nooby
Yes DW got some 250 or so Just kidding.
I have all Linux OS spread over some 6 computers.
Some bought and other from local scrapbox people
buying better and sending them to trash and me
try to catch them before the trash guys take them.
Unfortunately they have ended that now.
Okay Crunchbang is kind of different this later 64 bit versio
from 2013.
Despite being live it allow me to edit files and delete files
and change names without using any su or sudo or root
or anything. It just works which is very surprising them into
Debian and everything them so cautious on such.
I have not tested to make any persistence file or to save
file to hard disk other than to save one that is already there
Editing a html and saving it back to itself and that worked
I\ve now even tested to download Antix from DW and
then copy that file from Downloads to my HD that went well
not asking anything it behaved as puppy. That is odd indeed.
I doubt that the maker of Crunchbang wanted it that way.
when I where active on their forum some 2 years ago
it was not possible even to read the HD it was not allowed
to even mount in live for to protect it. So either the isobooter
kind of bypass these protection or them changed attitude???
Crunchbang had Iceweasel with flash built in.
Posted: Sun 10 Feb 2013, 14:20
by rcrsn51
nooby wrote:I have not tested to make any persistence file or to save file to hard disk other than to save one that is already there.
With Puppies, a save file should be handled automatically.
But as you know, other Linuxes work differently. If you find one that has persistence, you would need to modify your menu.lst entry to handle it.
BTW, you can check the contiguity of an ISO file by running
A report of "1 extent found" is good.
Problem with save-sessions on restart
Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 08:19
by gcmartin
Slacko/Precise did NOT use its save-session on system reboots. No parms were used at boot: system was allowed to start on its own. USB files are shown below.
The system boots, it finds those things that exist in its ISO and if finds SWAP on HDDs. But, it does not search or use save-session that are in same folder as the ISOs on sdb1.
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the RAM based sda4
Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 08:24
by gcmartin
In the case of both Precise and Slacko, the system uses its USB (sdb1) AND IT CREATES a "sdb4". The sdb4 contains the exposed contents of the ISO file used at boot time.
Questions
Is this ro mount suppose to hang around during the life of system operation? Is it required or merely an aid in booting?
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Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 09:18
by nooby
I tested Slitaz and Zorin.
Slitaz stalled waiting for something from the kernel.
Could be I try it on an AMD CPU Compaq?
Zorin booted fast and I could save to the HD
and rename files and edit files and save pictures
so it works very good.
Oops for here is the code I used
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title zorin-os-6.1-lite
partnew (hd0,3) 0x00 (hd0,0)/zorin-os-6.1-lite.iso
map --heads=0 --sectors-per-track=0 (hd0,0)/zorin-os-6.1-lite.iso (0xff)
map --hook
root (0xff)
chainloader (0xff)
I used same --heads=0 --sectors-per-track=0 on
Slitaz and will now reboot and see if it helps to take it away.
using this instead
title slitaz-4.0
partnew (hd0,3) 0x00 (hd0,0)/slitaz-4.0.iso
map (hd0,0)/slitaz-4.0.iso (0xff)
map --hook
root (0xff)
chainloader (0xff)
That one boots a long way. But then says
Requesting events from the kernel
and then kernel panic and the only way is to do 4 second
hard reboot. Zorin Lite worked very well. Very similar to Crunchbang
in that everything i tried worked.
I don't know if any of these can set up persistence on teh USB
or the HD so would be cool to know
Re: Problem with save-sessions on restart
Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 12:50
by rcrsn51
gcmartin wrote:Slacko/Precise did NOT use its save-session on system reboots. No parms were used at boot: system was allowed to start on its own. USB files are shown below.
I have both Slacko and Precise on sdb1. ISObooter set them up with the "n" option to make them work like frugal installs. In each case, I made a save file on sdb1. In each case, the save file was correctly detected on reboot.
As the instructions state, this is the preferred method for installing Puppies.
If you set them up to boot off the splash screen, you need to use the boot argument "puppy psavemark=1".
I have added a note in the instructions about this scenario.
Re: the RAM based sda4
Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 13:00
by rcrsn51
gcmartin wrote:In the case of both Precise and Slacko, the system uses its USB (sdb1) AND IT CREATES a "sdb4". The sdb4 contains the exposed contents of the ISO file used at boot time.
This is precisely how the Easy2Boot/ISObooter technique works. It creates a kind of virtual CD-ROM drive in sdb4 and loads it with the ISO file.
Each time you boot a new ISO, the contents of sdb4 changes.
This is why the instructions state that Partition #4 must NOT be used.
Is this ro mount suppose to hang around during the life of system operation? Is it required or merely an aid in booting?
Yes and Yes. But Postfs1 pointed out that this "feature" could have another use. It would be handy to have the ISO already unpacked if you wanted to do a remaster.
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Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 13:16
by rcrsn51
nooby wrote:Slitaz stalled waiting for something from the kernel.
I downloaded the latest Slitaz and installed it in ISObooter to start off the splash screen. It worked correctly for me.
I don't know if any of these can set up persistence on the USB or the HD so would be cool to know
I once looked at setting up persistence with a frugal install of Slitaz. IIRC, I got it working, but it required a bunch of extra boot options.
Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 14:19
by nooby
I trust you on Slitaz it maybe be something I messed up.
Here I am booted using your isobooter
and ahve Pearl OS booted. Seems to work
like Zorin did too. I will now test if it allow me
to edit and save without being root.
Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 14:22
by rcrsn51
Excellent. Are you putting more than one ISO on your USB drive? Or are you re-formatting it each time?
Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 14:25
by nooby
I have slitaz and Zorin on a 1GB but I have Pearl on a 2GB
and embarrassingly I failed to remember to change the map
thing and it booted nevertheless. It does allow me to edit and
same a html file on the HD despite me booted from usb?
Is that normal for a Ubuntu style OS they usally want su or sudo?
Within an hour or so I will try two different Fedora
and Opensuse and a few others. Now back to the laundry
Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 14:31
by rcrsn51
nooby wrote: I have Pearl on a 2GB and embarrassingly I failed to remember to change the map thing and it booted nevertheless.
Are you using the latest version of ISObooter?
It now automatically inserts the "--heads=0 --sectors-per-track=0" code with all ISOs.
Open the menu.lst file in a text editor to check this.
Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 15:31
by nooby
Yes now that I took home the even more latest
then it actually do add that text
OpenSuse, Fedora and PCLinuxOS booted but none of them
had adobe flash so will not keep them I am choosy that way.
Youtube a must for me.
ProteusOS, ZorinOS, CrunchbangOS, PureOS all these do have Flash for Youtube. netrunner maybe too but have not tested latest.
Some have Firefox and others have Chrome as browser.
What else can I test
So may to chose from
Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 15:37
by rcrsn51
nooby wrote: I guess I should download the isobooter and try again?
Yes. The version posted right now has this feature.
Re: the RAM based sda4
Posted: Mon 11 Feb 2013, 16:59
by gcmartin
rcrsn51 wrote:Is this ro mount suppose to hang around during the life of system operation? Is it required or merely an aid in booting?
Yes and Yes. But Postfs1 pointed out that this "feature" could have another use. It would be handy to have the ISO already unpacked if you wanted to do a remaster.
Yeah, I could see that use, but, I been monitoring the system for any other use upon desktop arrival, and I cannot see any. I do understand the boot benefit. After boot, I wonder if the RAM that is tied up could be better used.
I'll delete and see, if there are any obvious detrimental hazards.
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