Classic Pup 2.14X -- Updated 2 series

[gabe]

ttuuxxx:
This is awesome!! 2.14X works without a single crash, everything is fine out of box... AND IT WORKS! The metacity themeset is lovely, and everything is so nice and polished (the only thing my mom hated was the "kid-like" window decorations, but changing them to a vista-lookalike was a snap!).

Only one problem: media playback -- DVDs and flv's. It seems she needs vlc (and potentially OpenOffice).

cprivers: thanks so much for your encouragement and support! If you find a way to come by these two programs (or can somehow "cook" them in), I do believe the system would be complete.

[gabe]

...I kind of changed my mind. I've tried different things for hours but it won't let me install no matter what I do. The universal installer is saying that I don't have any partitions and this is of course ridiculous since the drives at the bottom are clearly labeled hda1, hda2, etc.

So I tried manually copying all the puppy stuff from the USB over to the hda3 (where I used to have 5.2 installed) and keeping the grub4dos menu entry, but whenever I select it from the boot menu, it starts to boot but when it gets to the part where the USB did the rc.sysinit bits, instead it just says "init. Usage: init is the parent of all processes." and hangs forever.

How can I install it to sda3? Can somebody please upload or point me in the right direction? Maybe tell me how to copy over the rc.sysinit, or better yet, a WORKING universal installer (like from latest build)? Thanks a lot!

Current list of needed fixes for 2.14X to be usable:
1. Working installer.
2. Working video player. This version of gxine fails on all flvs and modern mp4's (look at the ones from youtube, etc -- all fail with segmentation fault or "couldn't initialize gxine" or something. Only crappy old AVI's work fine).

List of things that would make it a bit more functional for the mainstream:
1. OpenOffice 3+

[James C]

Current list of needed fixes for 2.14X to be usable:
1. Working installer.

Nothing wrong with the installer....I've made several frugal installs as well as three full installs of this latest release....no problems. But,........the syntax is different for a frugal install.Kinda too busy right now but I think there is some posts about it back a couple of pages.

For a frugal install read here....
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 267#394267

[cprivers]

Gabe,

I have done several hard disk "full" installs, and I have to agree at this point that booting from the CD and using a pupsave file is sometimes much better. Having to boot from a CD should not be a big deal and you can't trash your installation as easily. You can put your pupsave file on any disk. For the OpenOffice, an SFS file that works on 2.14X would be great if one can be found or made. I'll look around.

I have a working 431 with the latest Firefox and a working OpenOffice (on SFS) if you want to try it. You would just need the 431 boot CD & the SFS files I have put together.

On the install issue, are the disks in question formatted for Linux? Sounds like some of the disk may be NTFS.

Chuck

[Aitch]

gabe

Open Office SFS in 214X

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... modules-2/

sfs in puppy 2....
rename to match the puppy version...eg wine_212.sfs for puppy 2.12
put in the same place as pup_save and reboot
thats it....

limited to a total of 3 SFS I believe....



Aitch

[cprivers]

Cool!

[gabe]

Gabe,

I have done several hard disk "full" installs, and I have to agree at this point that booting from the CD and using a pupsave file is sometimes much better. Having to boot from a CD should not be a big deal and you can't trash your installation as easily. You can put your pupsave file on any disk. For the OpenOffice, an SFS file that works on 2.14X would be great if one can be found or made. I'll look around.

I have a working 431 with the latest Firefox and a working OpenOffice (on SFS) if you want to try it. You would just need the 431 boot CD & the SFS files I have put together.

On the install issue, are the disks in question formatted for Linux? Sounds like some of the disk may be NTFS.

Chuck

Hey, thanks! Yeah, hda1 is NTFS, hda2 is old xubuntu, hda3 is 4.9Gb EXT2 (this is the one I want to frugal install onto), hda4 is unallocated (a couple of MB), hda5 is swap, I forget what hda6 was supposed to be.

Yeah, the installer from 5.2 recognized hda3 and would offer to install there, but this one won't. I think a copy of the latest installer would suffice, OR somebody's frugal 2.14X files if you have them (just put your frugal install directory into a zip -- excluding your pupsave and main puppy sfs).

Of course if that fails I'll move to 4.31 (maybe I should anyway?), but I'm afraid the kernel will die on me like 5.x's always do.

[wdm]

Hi gabe

If you have copyed the files from the cd to a folder on hda3 then try this entry in your grub menu.lst file.

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title Puppy 2.14X top5
   rootnoverify (hd0,2)
   kernel (hd0,2)/pup214x_top5/vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=hda3 acpi=force psubdir=pup214x_top5
   initrd (hd0,2)/pup214x_top5/initrd.gz

This entry works on my 11 yr. old desktop. My files are in a folder named pup214x_top5, you should edit this for whatever you have. I need acpi=force for my box, you may not need that. If you have created a pup save file on your hhd then puppy should find it. If you have more than one save file then puppy will ask which one you want to use.[/code]

[QBall2U]

Hi clarf here ya go

Sakura how-to

first download VTE
http://download.gnome.org/sources/vte/0 ... 2.5.tar.gz

then download sakura
http://pleyades.net/david/projects/saku ... 3.4.tar.gz

extract vte and use something like
./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --build=i386-pc-linux-gnu --enable-shared --enable-strip --disable-python
then type
make
new2dir make install
delete the junk root folder in vte-0.22.5-i386 folder
next you can delete the extra folders, since you probably won't need vte for anything after
/vte-0.22.5-i386/usr/include <-- delete folder
/vte-0.22.5-i386/usr/lib/pkgconfig <--delete folder
/vte-0.22.5-i386/usr/lib/libvte.a <--- delete file
/vte-0.22.5-i386/usr/lib/libvte.la <-- delete file
/vte-0.22.5-i386/usr/share/gtk-doc <---delete folder


/vte-0.22.5-i386/usr/share/locale <--delete which locales you don't need in that folder, it has a few English ones

next is sakura
download and install Cmake, This one I compiled some time ago but works well
http://puppylinux.ca/tpp/ttuuxxx/2.14se ... 4-i386.pet

then go to the directory and open a terminal and type
cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr
then
make

basically the bin file is located in
/sakura-2.3.4/src/sakura
just drag that to the vte package we made above and place it in usr/bin
then add a .desktop file in usr/share/applications
and a icon in usr/share/pixmaps
and you should be good to go.
usually I strip all my libs and bin files to make it even smaller
ttuuxxx
below is 2 package one is the main with both terminals and one for locales.

I am trying to find a pet for Cmake and tried this url found above:
http://puppylinux.ca/tpp/ttuuxxx/2.14se ... 4-i386.pet
but I got this error message:

The requested URL /tpp/ttuuxxx/2.14series/testing/cmake-2.6.4-i386.pet was not found on this server.

I downloaded a program that needs to be built using cmake but puppy didn't have it already and I cannot find it?

Thanks y'all!

[ttuuxxx]

The requested URL /tpp/ttuuxxx/2.14series/testing/cmake-2.6.4-i386.pet was not found on this server.

I downloaded a program that needs to be built using cmake but puppy didn't have it already and I cannot find it?

Thanks y'all!

Not A Problem, here ya goooooooooooooo http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/2.14X/S ... 4-i386.pet
I'm thinking maybe in a future release to beef up the devX a bit, I have a few extra's like Cmake that might bloat it a bit, but its still just a devx and not the the main iso.
ttuuxxx

[QBall2U]

Thank you ttuuxxx! You the MAN!!

That devx would be cool! Never a need to worry about losing the cmake, then! (i.e. from a system error before a backup)

[technosaurus]

there are a lot of things in the devx that are pretty useless - a lot of static libs (where shared libs exist in the main sfs) and hard links (instead of symbolic... perl, gcc, and git) ... rdfind is useful for the "duplicate files" but it may be helpful to write a little script that looks for .so and .a filename matches and deletes the .a file ... i do this with all puppies and dump the devx and zdrv into the main sfs so that it typically fits in <190 Mb so that I can use a mini cdrw to run

[taca0]

ttuuxxx :

I want to change the Xorg of 214X , ok now I want to change Xorg 7.0 to 7.3 with xserver 1.4.2 that wary-030 and wary-060 have.

How I do that ??

[ttuuxxx]

ttuuxxx :

I want to change the Xorg of 214X , ok now I want to change Xorg 7.0 to 7.3 with xserver 1.4.2 that wary-030 and wary-060 have.

How I do that ??

I've never tried updating that because 7.0 has always been perfect for my pc's and users never really had any complaints, If it's a specific driver your missing? I could probably compile it for you, The difference is a few things, 2.14x uses a older kernel to be compatible with pc's and also keeps the overall size smaller, newer Xorg versions are much larger, plus they have moved locations, from /usr/X11R7 to usr/lib usr/bin etc, that complicates things also. Then after that, have you noticed how 2.14X runs Firefox better than puppy 4, wary etc. The drivers are smaller and makes a better distro with memory usage. I'm not much up to adding bloat to 2.14X, it has a specific user base, really it takes almost 1/2 the ram that puppy 5 uses. and I would like to keep it that way But like I said if its a driver your missing, just tell me which one and I'll do my best to package it up and maybe include it in the main release
ttuuxxx

[taca0]

ttuuxxx:

I understand , Its just for a personal need it customization and I find that wary 030 or 060 has the Xorg 1.4.2 in the /usr/X11R7 folder like 214X and 4.3.1 have. So I think (off course with my beginner knowledge ) that if are in the same folders maybe with some changes that I really dont know... but could make works...?? How??

[ttuuxxx]

ttuuxxx:

I understand , Its just for a personal need it customization and I find that wary 030 or 060 has the Xorg 1.4.2 in the /usr/X11R7 folder like 214X and 4.3.1 have. So I think (off course with my beginner knowledge ) that if are in the same folders maybe with some changes that I really dont know... but could make works...??

xorg is one of those complicated things to compile, first you have to compile xorg, then you have compile tons of drivers for it, hmmm here's an example
go to http://bkhome.org/sources/alphabetical/x/
username: puppy
password: linux
and look at all the xf86 files, each one would need to be recompiled, that's why if you tell me which driver your missing, I'll try compile it, basically boot up on puppy 5 and post the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
ttuuxxx

[taca0]

ttuuxxx:

my drivers are via or openchrome. The Xorg version 1.4.2 that wary 030 have works fine for my computer but I like 214X so... I copy paste the /usr/X11R7 from wary 030 to 214X but xorg not works. Maybe if I change some things in the folder and not copy all???

[taca0]

ttuuxxx:

ahh now I understand you said compile the 1.4.2 xorg version from the barry sources for the 214X?? How I do that ?? Thats sound complicate!

[ttuuxxx]

ttuuxxx:

ahh now I understand you said compile the 1.4.2 xorg version from the barry sources for the 214X?? How I do that ?? Thats sound complicate!

no no no its not a new to Linux user task, I'll try to compile it for you, I'll be back on 2.14x in a day or two and focus on it.
ttuuxxx

[sheldonisaac]

Folks, please excuse: have struggled with this for days.

I got a Puppy 2.14X from
http://www.wisdom-seekers.com/puppy/214x/214X-RC5.iso

It boots fine off the CD-RW on this ASUS P5A (motherboard) computer.

I tried to do a frugal install on an HD (connected to IDE port of a
Promise controller; see
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=48708 )

It sort of works, but always asks which pupsave to use: 0 (none) or 1
or 2 (they are both the same, that is
/initrd/mnt/dev_save/puppy214/pup_save-dec12.2fs

How can I make the booting use that file, without offering the 3 (actually 2) choices?

Below is E:\boot\grub\menu.lst

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default 0
timeout 10

title Windows 98se
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader +1
makeactive
boot

title Puppy Linux 214 frugal
rootnoverify (hd0,2)
kernel /puppy214/vmlinuz pmedia=idehd root=/dev/ram0 PDEV1=hde3 acpi=force psubdir=puppy214
initrd /puppy214/initrd.gz
boot

Many thanks,
Sheldon Isaac