Woof CE Debian Stretch and Devuan Ascii Based Development

[ttuuxxx]

P.S. Dam#, ttuuxxx, you're making so many changes so fast that I can't even get one ISO built (and all problems solved) before you've gone on done something new. And you always claim you DON'T HAVE TIME and/or the computer setup! Heaven help us when you do get time....I'm going to give up soon and just download whatever you make & forget this headache of trying to iron-everything out for my own ISO, lol, to upload.

Well thanks for that, I've been putting some long hours on this and its starting to turn into a really nice distro Nice to see some positive reviews for my efforts/time
ttuuxxx

[Sailor Enceladus]

It's good to see development happening. This may be the way to go, I name tuxx the official dpup mantainer or whatever. I feel reluctant to continue in the woofce side since I strongly oppose to the default traditional puppy apps, i think it's pure and undiluted hatred. My next changes would be... make pcmanfm the default file manager, make engrampa/file-roller the default archiver. And what could happen next is me trying to get rid of rox for good. Fortunately I don't have time to do this, as my job requires me to spend almost all my time on Windows with rhino3d and other programs to design and reverse engineer stuff...

I agree jlst. This thread goes by so fast I can't even keep up with the posts. And your work will surely be appreciated forever. It used to take me 10 hours to make a woof-ce puppy and now it takes about 3. I was wondering if you know any tricks to make ppm2 faster? Just downloading pets and sfs files and clicking on them is a lot faster for me. Maybe ppm2 should have a "don't extract DOC, DEV, NLS stuff" option or "don't strip everything" option, though I'm not sure if that's the issue or something else.

[musher0]

Sorry to disagree.

ttuuxx has incredible stamina, he has invaluable programming skills, and
speed. He has a long Puppy experience.

IMO, what disqualifies him as a woof-ce manager -- if that is really what
jlst is talking about --, from what I've seen here, is that he grabs and
claims a territory, and bulldozes his ideas through.

Some of you know where I'm coming from, saying that: a co-operative
management background. I can't stand autocrats, even in pictures...

BTW, I'm not looking for the job! And before you ask: no, I don't have
many friends, because I prefer truth and fairness over flattery.

Sorry for being so frank, for raining on the parade, for not bowing
to rising stars, etc.

Nevertheless, I hope this helps forward a discussion about Puppy
management: I'm not really discussing ttuuxxx here, but an idea.

BFN

[belham2]

Thanks, Billtoo and Fred!!

Argh, do you think I was smart enough to go ahead and use or set up an "Open With..." and see the box pop up? Greengeek said it best a few weeks ago: somebody make it stop. In my head, lol, puppy is mind-melding me Fred, thanks, I couldn't find the bugger folder and that's a good trick to know to easily add shortcuts. Wow, I might actually, lol, right-click set up PcManFM now for everything I did in ROX. I've been spoiled for so long since Peebee makes it so easy to use it in LxPupSc and Fred, you make it braindead easy since you do most of it for us in the DDs!!

Hi Belham, about the pcmanfm right-click actions (from ~/.local/share/file-manager/actions) I read on the net, but at first couldn't get it to work, later I found that package libfm-modules is required to have it installed to make it work.

And.. are you doing your physical exercises at least one hour a day? , I'm a little worried about you!

Fred

Well, my initial joy about pcmanfm and thinking I'd got working the ability to modify existing right-click actions already set has turned to no joy. It just doesn't work, in pcmanfm, when after you set some right-click actions, and you want to remove and/or modify those existings ones, you can't. And I can't find them anywhere in puppy to be removed, hunted through /root and /usr/share. Furthermore, if you install, as Fred noted, the libfm-modules, which will make the right-click actions removable and/or modifiable, using PPM you find out the "libfm-modules" PPM-download wants 85MB for the install! No way, pcmanfm can kiss it. Wish Peebee or Jilst would maybe say something here about this. Surely, if pcmanfm is getting included in dpup-stretch builds by "default", just how do we get right-click 'full' control working w/o that monster PPM install? Otherwise, pcmanfm seems to be a neutered in dpup-stretches. Anyone???

[peebee]

Although there are still some wrinkles to iron out....looks promising that the ttuuxxx variant of Dpup Stretch will provide a suitable basis for an LxPup derivative....

[fredx181]

using PPM you find out the "libfm-modules" PPM-download wants 85MB for the install!

Are you sure? Yes, that would be really too much then, on DD or XD it uses only around 1MB (but strange, if pcmanfm is already installed I would expect most dependencies are satisfied for installing libfm-modules, does PPM "know" about these dependencies?, maybe not)
Btw the "actions" gives more advanced features, but with the "Open with.." you can do a lot also, of course.

Fred

[ttuuxxx]

Sorry to disagree.

ttuuxx has incredible stamina, he has invaluable programming skills, and
speed. He has a long Puppy experience.

IMO, what disqualifies him as a woof-ce manager -- if that is really what
jlst is talking about --, from what I've seen here, is that he grabs and
claims a territory, and bulldozes his ideas through.

Some of you know where I'm coming from, saying that: a co-operative
management background. I can't stand autocrats, even in pictures...

BTW, I'm not looking for the job! And before you ask: no, I don't have
many friends, because I prefer truth and fairness over flattery.

Sorry for being so frank, for raining on the parade, for not bowing
to rising stars, etc.

Nevertheless, I hope this helps forward a discussion about Puppy
management: I'm not really discussing ttuuxxx here, but an idea.

BFN

Really?? He's only talking about Debian Woofce Quote"official dpup mantainer or whatever" Really by far I've been spearheading this Line of woof Stretch anyways, Its basically just continuing what I'm doing and I'm not about ready to stop, The latest Debian woof built script now uses my Kernel I compiled as default. Plus really I haven't changed anything compared to a default puppy version other than substituting Gnumeric for MtCellEdit which is over 50% smaller. Oh and Palemoon for Firefox since its also smaller and still basically firefox. I might add some Icons and do a lot of fixes etc. You shouldn't have an issue, Heck We were suppose to get some Tim's coffee one of these days, (Maybe in the summer )
ttuuxxx

[Moat]

Although there are still some wrinkles to iron out....looks promising that the ttuuxxx variant of Dpup Stretch will provide a suitable basis for an LxPup derivative....

[Billtoo]

I did a new woof-CE auto build this afternoon, also compiled a new
kernel with the kernel kit.

System: Host: puppypc25388 Kernel: 4.9.15-4G i686 (32 bit) Desktop: JWM 2.3.6
Distro: Dpup Stretch 7.0.0a1
Machine: Device: desktop System: Compaq-Presario product: AU194AA-A2L CQ5123F serial: MXX9300M0F
Mobo: MSI model: Boston v: 1.0 BIOS: Phoenix v: 5.24 date: 06/19/2009
CPU: Dual core Pentium E5200 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1200/2500 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: X.org 1.19.2 driver: nvidia
tty size: 90x28 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card: Realtek RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller
driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (4.8% used)
Info: Processes: 150 Uptime: 21 min Memory: 189.9/3153.3MB
Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.5

I don't have much installed yet but so far so good

[ttuuxxx]

I did a new woof-CE auto build this afternoon, also compiled a new
kernel with the kernel kit.

System: Host: puppypc25388 Kernel: 4.9.15-4G i686 (32 bit) Desktop:

I don't have much installed yet but so far so good

Nice and congratulations
ttuuxxx

[futwerk]

large backgrounds, 1920x1080

[musher0]

Hello all.

I have the pleasure of announcing the release of a puppyfied iceWM (new
github version 1..3.12_177) for DpupStretch7 there, not here! There are
two screen captures there as well.

By puppyfied, I mean that it contains the usual script we need in Puppy to
create an icewm menu, along with its own xdg template which I imported
from pemasu's RaringPup.

This iceWm package comes in four pets: main, locales, docs and themes.
One needs the main and themes pets to get started with iceWM. (The
main pet having only the ugly default theme.)

Please also download and make executable the little Startup script called
if-icewm.sh that I put there as a zip file: neither the iceWM tray nor the
netmon_wce icon will run without it.

Any questions, please ask!

Enjoy!

[musher0]

Nice couple, eh?

[ttuuxxx]

Nice couple, eh?

That's a pretty nice couple, found some others
https://68.media.tumblr.com/c685d47a186 ... 2_1280.jpg
https://68.media.tumblr.com/fdf40de3937 ... 1_1280.jpg
ttuuxxx

[musher0]

Yeah, nice. But those are pictures of obviously single octopuses.

Is the one with the Christmas lights a real octopus ? It doesn't seem to
have any tentacles! Beautiful animal to look at, though... from afar!

BFN.

[ttuuxxx]

Next release is up,
http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/WoofCe/stretch-7.0.0a1.iso <-- Iso
3d99450da65bde06c88e35133b05e1ab stretch-7.0.0a1.iso

http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/WoofCe/devx ... .0.0a1.sfs <-- devx
3e7b37570ce8de8ca8fd1a5b217a427b devx_stretch_7.0.0a1.sfs
ttuuxxx

[zigbert]

ttuuxxx
Tested briefly you latest build - looks good !

gtkdialog is a bit old, so some advanced options fail (like tree-headers in pMusic). Please update to gtkdialog 0.8.4

Thank you for your effort
Sigmund

[musher0]

Next release is up,
http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/WoofCe/stretch-7.0.0a1.iso <-- Iso
3d99450da65bde06c88e35133b05e1ab stretch-7.0.0a1.iso

http://smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/WoofCe/devx ... .0.0a1.sfs <-- devx
3e7b37570ce8de8ca8fd1a5b217a427b devx_stretch_7.0.0a1.sfs
ttuuxxx

Hi.

No go here: the boot stops at an "sda9" message. Debugsave folder is
attached as well as my lshw report. My sda9 HD partition is reserved for
PCLinuxOS.

My menu.lst entry for your stretch is as follows:

# 06a
title stretch7-tx22M
root (hd0,0)
kernel (hd0,0)/stretch7-tx22M/lance/vmlinuz quiet pkeys=cf pmedia=satahd root=/dev/ram0
pdev1=sda1 psubdir="stretch7-tx22M" max_loop=14 ramdisk_size=196000 pfix=fsck
initrd (hd0,0)/stretch7-tx22M/lance/initrd.gz
boot

Your stretch is really where it says above. This is the tree of where it
resides:

[/initrd/mnt/...tch7-tx22M]>tree -fish
.
[145M] ./devx_stretch_7.0.0a1_ttuuxxx22M.sfs
[4.0K] ./lance
[2.0K] ./lance/boot.cat
[311K] ./lance/grldr
[2.0M] ./lance/initrd.gz
[1.6K] ./lance/menu.lst
[3.5K] ./lance/menu_puppy_help.lst
[ 22K] ./lance/splash.jpg
[5.1M] ./lance/vmlinuz
[237M] ./puppy_stretch_7.0.0a1.sfs
[ 40M] ./zdrv_stretch_7.0.0a1.sfs

I can't figure out why the boot process is asking for it on a usb drive at
sda9.

IHTH. Best regards.

[belham2]

Well, I just loaded ttuuxxx's latest vmlinuz and initrd.gz into my various working directories of frugal installed dpup-stretches (for testing purposes), and all sorts of stuff does not work now. I even went back to the release before this one, and stuff from cherrytree to rscn's peasydisc tools to graphics programs to a whole range of things I had installed/compiled (with the original 4.1.38 and its devx) are not working.

I am jumping off this rabid-release train for now, and will go my own way in the "Puppy Derivatives" forum threads. The original 4.1.38 from a few weeks ago is stable, and everything that I have compiled against it and also installed, just works. The same is not true of these rushed last two ISO releases by ttuuxxx. Topically, they appear great, but when you start running through EVERY programa nd scripts, all sorts of problems crop up.

Good luck ttuuxxx and everyone. I hope things get worked out.....also, imho there's a lot you need to pitch (throw away) in the ISOs being released. JWM configuration manager needs to be replaced by JWM DESK Manager, at a minimum, and scripts & gtkdialog (I am up to the latest) are among many others. Stop releasing so fast and start focusing on the functionality of the pup people are going to be using. At least try to bring dpup pup up to development standardss of many other pup and pup-derivatives on murga. This is not happening in my opinion. The user needs to come into conversation at what they first are presented with when booting up a dpup.

I'll be putting my version of dpup-stretch up tomorrow hopefully once I get everything back to the way I had it yesterday. what a mess/pain. Everything was working great and then this .

Thanks everyone, and good luck!

[ttuuxxx]

Guys I hardly did many changes since the previous release. I don't see how it could corrupt apps, etc. I always load it first and check for errors and mine is working fine, has any checked the MD5sum I provide? Maybe the iso is off, I'll download both and check. BrB
ttuuxxx