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01micko wrote: I have no problem with anyone attempting to market open source. Shuttleworth does it, Red Hat have been doing it for eons and they are a multi-million dollar business .. as have countless others tried for better or worse results.

Many users are of the opinion that if it isn't worth paying for it isn't worth having.

RHEL makes its money selling support and updates, security patches and user-specific customizations. NOT the software. The software AND all its sources are freely (after a free registration) available. That's why we have the RHEL-copy distros, CentOS and Scientific linux.
(Of course much more so, the same applies to Canonical/Ubuntu.)

RHEL does that not because they are "good" but because is illegal not too. If you are using GPL, GLP2 and even more so GPL3 material you are legally bound to "share alike".

So is perfectly legal to sell "Studio on the stick" for whatever price you see fit. (BTW $10 +$10 for the stick(?) is very reasonable. Save you the hassle and the trouble of doing it yourself).
However, not making freely available a GPL,2,3-based software and source, is illegal.
Actually if someone brings this to the attention of the FSF he/she may get in trouble...

Regarding the time that someone invests on a Pupplet/distro/software, just consider how much time has been invested in all the underlining software that is actually included for free, in the final "restricted product".
Few month or even years work of a single person is actually less than 1/1000 of the total (just consider than only the kernel is 20 years in development by hundreds of people).
To that extend many users have the option that should not pay one person for the free work of others.

If Studio was charging just for support and troubleshooting would be perfectly acceptable. Charging for the actual physical stick with the software is also perfectly acceptable, provided that the option of a free download is also available. But charging for the free code of (vastly) others?... Not so sure.

It's a myth that Red Hat only sells their support, and not their software. For instance, if you click this link:

https://access.redhat.com/support/offer ... n/sla.html

You will see the first column is "self-support". That means you get ZERO support. And how much do they charge for Red Hat without support?

https://www.redhat.com/apps/store/desktop/

For a workstation, $179.

https://www.redhat.com/apps/store/server/

For a server, $349.

Studio 13.37 is a better "workstation" OS than Red Hat, and it only costs $30.

I find it interesting that not one person ever made a single GPL-related accusation when the Studio products were free. Only now that money has been invested in manufacturing, web hosting, and advertising, is this occurring.

As a matter of fact, any and all modified source code is hosted on the Internet and available to users. The GPL says you have to share the code with those you have distributed to, on request.

I'd suggest all the armchair critics and self-appointed GPL lawyers go and read it again, because there is obviously some confusion out there.

Hello,
Open Source...
Period...
Provide access to the Source, and you can do whatever you want with any GPL Software, because you OWN it, I OWN it and everyone else OWNS it...

That`s kinda the point...

Announcer wrote:It's a myth that Red Hat only sells their support, and not their software.

Studio 13.37 is a better "workstation" OS than Red Hat, and it only costs $30.

Last time I needed help from someone more educated than myself,
it took 40 minutes, at $250 per hour. And no, she wasn't from Columbia,
so don't even go there

The fact that a vocal subset in the linux community go berserk at the
very site of a meager price tag, is not lost on mac and windoze users,
who write the whole lot of us off as a bunch of bearded, panty twisted loons,
eating walrus blubber and penguin, instead of steak and chicken.

Its good to see some sensible folks here, that acknowledge the value
of what linux developers have made possible, and the vast amount
of time and needless frustration, that is diverted into productivity

Have a great weekend,
wearing out the record button, keys, and strings

Hello,
I think it is funny that we do tend to get our "panties twisted" over something most are dead wrong about..
Ask Richard Stallman about GPL, GNU, Linux, and money....
Really Linux is GNU.. Linus developed a core.. Most of the software we are discussing is GNU (Gnu`s Not Unix) and was intended for sale...
Not to be confused with "leased" like Windoze...


Buy it, own it, do WTF you want with it.
That was the original idea...
But Linus threw a monkey wrench in Gnu`s plan.. So the argument is a moot point...

Promo video:

http://youtu.be/5aQkpINWABU

I went there expecting to find a porno video.
Then I re-read your post.

lmao.....

" I went there expecting to find a porno video. "

""""""""""""

Hey Announcer>

Upload both...so no disappointments mate.

Cheers....Chris.

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Ahh yes, dyslexia CAN be a problem when you just want to view a promo... After viewing a few "promo's" I also went looking for the Studio 1337 home page but came up with this:

http://www.studio1337.com/

But it doesn't answer any questions for me. Where is the home page?

...and this:

http://www.recordingstudio1337.com/

Confusing.

OK, so I find the actual homepage linked to on the promo video. Just got to open my eyes thats all. Duh!

First off, big thanks to all our customers and supporters from the Puppy Linux community. (Now if only the big technology review sites would take a look at our product!)

Another video, this time with an edgy hip-hop groove. In conjunction with Superslikk Productions, I give you:

"Studio 13.37 - The Most Advanced Pro Audio Studio"

(Not a "porno video". Sorry. )

Hi Announcer,

Would Studio work on-

Processor and Mem: Intel Pentium 4 3GHz, 0.5Gb
Audio Adapter: CA0106 (soundblaster)

?

Also, have you considered running your project based on the donation model a la Ardour? Might suit your development model. http://ardour.org/development

Just thought I'd update this thread with links to a couple of recent vids:

How to Install Studio 13.37 to Your Computer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXFLqrUYlWM

Getting Started With Studio 13.37
http://youtu.be/_9Z3H-r9Xgk

Nice movies to show people whats possible

If a picture is worth a thousand words,








a picture of Windows 8 would still be worthless

Thanks, Ciento!

Hi Announcer,
Glad all the $$$ flaming has stopped.... I understand both sides of the arguments but I'm a fence-sitters with a really sore arse from all the barbed wire lol!
Really considering purchasing Studio 13.37 for my Home Studio but I'm hanging for Ardour 3 cos of the Midi features it's incorporated and I need.

Is there any chance of including some software updates with the purchase?

Do the Puppy Repos work in Studio 13.37? (wondering about this as it is an rt kernel)

Cheers
Martin

Hey Martin. Yes, Ardour 3 will be sweet.

Studio 13.37 has just been upgraded, as a matter of fact. Not everything, but enough to bring it up to date. Some new features and bug-fixes also. More details to follow.

Oh, and yes, the repos work. And there was a Service Pack 1 release for customers to get bugfixes.

Here's a list of changes:

• - Added Aqualung for listening to music while running JACK, removed Audacious
  - Upgraded Audacity to 2.0.2
  - Upgraded Calf to 0.0.19
  - Upgraded Firefox to 16.0.2
  - Upgraded GetFlash to 1.1 and pBurn to 3.7.7
  - Upgraded MuSE to 2.0
  - Upgraded OpenOctave MIDI to OpenOctave Studio
  - Upgraded Openshot to 1.4.3
  - Upgraded Qtractor to 0.5.6
  - Upgraded Rosegarden to 12.04 "Freedom"
  - Upgraded Zynaddsubfx to 2.4.3

• - Added menu entry that says "Download and install REAPER", which starts a script that does just that and then replaces the menu entry with one that just says "REAPER"
  - Added the Gecko browser, to get rid of the "Do you want to install the Gecko browser?" message during WINE first start
  - Made ROXterm the default terminal, even when opened in a ROXfiler window
  - Added a couple VLC skins
  - New wallpapers
  - Updated "Help" page

Of course, this is in addition to the changes made in Service Pack 1, which fixed problems with saving to internal drives, updated the repos in the Package Manager, added some new GTK themes, updated the Flash installer, fixed the JACK Software Suite submenu so that it was persistent after running fixmenus, added a menu entry for fixmenus, updated the help page, and more.


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