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Yes, it does. It handles packages exactly the same way as Debian and Ubuntu, that is reliably and user friendly manner.Ether wrote:Does this new distro have a package manager that works "out of the box" ?
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Yes, it does. It handles packages exactly the same way as Debian and Ubuntu, that is reliably and user friendly manner.Ether wrote:Does this new distro have a package manager that works "out of the box" ?
I'm a bit out of my league here, but I just read the following post located atanikin wrote:Yes, it does. It handles packages exactly the same way as Debian and Ubuntu, that is reliably and user friendly manner.Ether wrote:Does this new distro have a package manager that works "out of the box" ?
Does this new distro address that problem?sickgut
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Posted: Tue 31 Jan 2012, 12:45
The only reason Puppy cant run other distros packages well is because of the extremely stripped down kernel. As soon as you try to install a package that relies on stuff that should really be in a linux kernel that puppy doesnt have then it wont work.
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The only clear answer as i have discovered is to start with a more compatible base. There is no point in trying to retro fit another OSes packages on top of Puppy.
it doesnt matter if you have fitted apt-get or synaptic or whatever to puppy, the package manager isnt the issue the issue is that the puppy base itself isnt compatible with the packages you will wish to install.
I'm new at this Linux stuff. At this point I don't have the discernment to tell for sure what's correct and what's not.anikin wrote:Ether,
Debian Dog is 100 % Debian under the hood. It uses the same kernel and the same package management system. Discussing theoretical issues is one thing, but you first need to touch the bare metal with your own hands. Just start using it and you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Thanks for that insight.cimarron wrote:I started into linux with Ubuntu, which is one of the easiest and most refined distros. It's changed a lot recently, and I would probably suggest Linux Mint now to start (it's based on Ubuntu and uses the well-supported Ubuntu repositories). Package management is done well in both and updates are automatic.... I found my way here through experimenting first with more developed and refined distros, like Ubuntu or Mint.
No, Sickgut's post about stripped kernel in puppy has nothing to do with DebianDog. Infact DebianDog is a product from Sickgut's ideas.Ether wrote:When I read the post quoted above by "sickgut" it seemed to make sense to me. I was just wondering if the point he was making was a valid one. And if so, was his concern addressed in this new distro.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I guess this is the application you mention: python-cvxopt?I spent 5 fruitless hours yesterday trying to get an app from the Ubuntu repo to install and work on a Puppy Precise 5.7.1 installation. I came to this forum looking for friendly and helpful advice before I reluctantly declare defeat and move on.
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root@debian:~# apt-get install python-cvxopt
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
libatlas3gf-base libdsdp-5.8gf libfftw3-3 libglpk0 libgmp10 libgomp1
libgsl0ldbl libltdl7 libsqlite3-0 python python-minimal python2.7
python2.7-minimal
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libfftw3-bin libfftw3-dev libiodbc2-dev libmysqlclient-dev gsl-ref-psdoc
gsl-doc-pdf gsl-doc-info gsl-ref-html python-doc python-tk python2.7-doc
binutils binfmt-support
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libatlas3gf-base libdsdp-5.8gf libfftw3-3 libglpk0 libgmp10 libgomp1
libgsl0ldbl libltdl7 libsqlite3-0 python python-cvxopt python-minimal
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It is very helpful.saintless wrote:Hope this helps.
Cold shiver at the thought of a - FULL INSTALL !!! - no thanks. Puppy is the ultimate LiveCD IMO. Its one of the few that can actually be used in LiveCD mode in practice. From power on to desktop fully loaded with spreadsheets, word processor, browser, video editor ...etc in 2 or 3 minutes. And with no lag thereafter (all running in memory).Ether wrote:..
I've used various Puppy versions "as-is" for the past 5 years, mostly for rescue. Most have worked flawlessly. Amazing.
Now I'm at the point where I'd like to leave Windows behind and start using Linux full time.
To do this I would need to install software apps.
I made made an appeal for help here, but after doing a lot more reading I've very reluctantly come to the conclusion that if I want hassle-free installation of software apps I am going to have to "graduate" from Puppy to a mainstream full Linux installation.
I'll bet this is what happens to a lot of new users.
Not at all.rufwoof wrote:Cold shiver at the thought of a - FULL INSTALL !!! - no thanks.
I just downloaded and booted it. WOW.Ether wrote:It is very helpful.saintless wrote:Hope this helps.
Thank you for that detailed articulate answer.
I'm going to give it a try.
Dead on.john biles wrote: The infrastructure needed to manage, test and maintain a repository of Applications needed specifically for Puppy to bring it up to a Ubuntu standard would require lots of people and $$$$$ and this is the problem. Someone writing a package manager on its own won't fix the problem.
john biles wrote:The infrastructure needed to manage, test and maintain a repository of Applications needed specifically for Puppy to bring it up to a Ubuntu standard would require lots of people and $$$$$ and this is the problem
I wouldn't mind being a Puppy package developer or whatever you call the invisible army that compiles the Ubuntu repos. But at this stage I can't even decide if Slacko, Precise, or Tahr is the flagship at the moment. If the answer is all 3 I don't think I'd be keen to compile the same package 3 times, not impossible, but the uploading would be tricking for me as I am on limited internet.mavrothal wrote:The correct answer is to have carefully build and controlled repos (remember Saluki?)