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Posted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 19:00
by Jim1911
Hi Billtoo,
Thanks for your quick reply. It worked fine with the kernel source sfs is built into the fd64-devx_520.sfs. However, in addition to Blacklisting the nouveau kernel module I had to force the use of the Vesa driver because even after reboot with it blacklisted the nouveau was still used. Also, the NVIDIA.desktop file had to be edited to get the NVIDIA settings tool to show up properly in the menu.
@kirk, please consider returning to the old "nv" driver. Nouveau prevents the proper driver from installing, and it is a real headache to get rid of when trying to install the correct NVIDIA driver.
Thanks,
Jim
Fatdog64-520 beta 2
Posted: Wed 29 Jun 2011, 21:49
by Billtoo
Manual frugal install to acer revo nettop pc.
Installed devx and proprietary nvidia driver in usual way.
Wed 29 Jun 2011 Operating System: Fatdog64-520 Linux 2.6.38.8
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation ION VGA (rev b1)
oem: NVIDIA product: MCP79 Board - hornet-0 Chip Rev
X Server: Xorg Driver: nvidia: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation
X.Org version: 1.9.5
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (373x231 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: ION/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 275.09.07
Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330
Core 0: 1599 1: 1599 2: 1599 3: 1599 MHz
...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.
# glxgears
9713 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1942.514 FPS
9782 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1956.336 FPS
9796 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1959.108 FPS
Posted: Thu 30 Jun 2011, 02:50
by kirk
There is a little bug in /etc/init.d/sfs_load, which causes the usb (or other device) in frugal install is mounted at boot.
Must be:
[ "$1" = "start" -o "$1" = "stop" ] && exit
Yes, that seems like a bug, I made the change. Hopefully that wasn't intentional. Thanks.
@kirk, please consider returning to the old "nv" driver. Nouveau prevents the proper driver from installing, and it is a real headache to get rid of when trying to install the correct NVIDIA driver.
The old nv driver is in there too. The nv driver doesn't work for all Nvidia cards ether. I've patched Xorg-server to use the nv, nouveau, and vesa drivers depending on the pcid of the card. Open source Nvidia is kind of a mess. We'll have a Nvidia pet closer to final. I never blacklist anything, I just delete the module. If you're running a frugal install the original file is always available in /initrd/pup_ro2. The nouveau module is at /lib/modules/2.6.38.8/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau.ko.
I'm uploading Beta3 right now. It has Firefox 5 and Thunderbird 5. I'll make a post about beta3 when I get a chance. I'm not uploading a new devx file, the only change is a update to yasm.
Fatdog64-520 beta 3
Posted: Thu 30 Jun 2011, 08:55
by Billtoo
I did a manual frugal install of beta3 to acer aspire desktop pc.
I ran grub4dos and edited the menu.lst kernel line adding "fatdog
nomodeset pfix=vesa,ram" and booted up beta3.
Once at the desktop I edited the kernel line in menu.lst back to
"kernel /fatdog520b3/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=fatdog520b3 pfix=fsck"
I used pfind to locate nouveau.ko and deleted it.
I loaded the devx with SFS-Load on-the-fly and exited to the prompt
and installed NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-275.09.07.run,when it finished
compiling I entered "nvidia-xconfig" then "xwin" to get back to the
desktop.
Thu 30 Jun 2011 Operating System: Fatdog64-520 Linux 2.6.38.8
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200] (rev a2)
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 9300 GE] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA product: G98 Board - 5610003u Chip Rev
X Server: Xorg Driver: nvidia: vendor=NVIDIA Corporation
X.Org version: 1.9.5
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (411x263 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 9300 GE/PCI/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 275.09.07
Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4850e
Core 0: 2500 1: 2500 MHz
...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.
# glxgears
19652 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3930.276 FPS
19602 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3920.221 FPS
19649 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3929.620 FPS
I rebooted creating a save file and changing root password.
@kirk
Could you add an option or two to increasing the size of the save file
by adding 1024,2048?
It takes lots of reboots to get the save file up to 4 or 5 gb with the max
being 512mb.
edit:Firefox 5.0 wins by a nose over the newest Opera in the peacekeeper benchmark on this pc.
Posted: Thu 30 Jun 2011, 12:47
by jamesbond
I'm late to the game, downloading beta3 now, marking this thread so that I can find it again ...
Posted: Thu 30 Jun 2011, 13:22
by Jim1911
kirk wrote:@kirk, please consider returning to the old "nv" driver. Nouveau prevents the proper driver from installing, and it is a real headache to get rid of when trying to install the correct NVIDIA driver.
The old nv driver is in there too. The nv driver doesn't work for all Nvidia cards ether. I've patched Xorg-server to use the nv, nouveau, and vesa drivers depending on the pcid of the card. Open source Nvidia is kind of a mess. We'll have a Nvidia pet closer to final. I never blacklist anything, I just delete the module. If you're running a frugal install the original file is always available in /initrd/pup_ro2. The nouveau module is at /lib/modules/2.6.38.8/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau.ko.
Hi kirk,
Thanks for the location of the nouveau module, that made it simple to get rid of and install the proper Nvidia driver in Beta 3.
Beta 3 is working great with my hardware.
Thanks,
Jim
Posted: Thu 30 Jun 2011, 18:35
by Sage
SiS Mirage, again - got a picture at boot up, but wrong res. Used the wizard, typed xwin:
"Starting X, specs in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, startup apps /root/.xinitrc...
giving up:
/usr/X11R7/bin/xinit: Connection refused (error 111): unable to connect to X server
/usr/X11R7/xinit: No such process (errno3): Server error.
Exited from X. .......................etc
- ran xorgwizard again and xwin at prompt - nothing
CTRL-ALT-BKSPACE put me back into incorrect res. with most stuff working.
What's the big deal with FF5? Seems that Opera has a strong following around here: a lot less bovver.
FF 5.0, Opera 11, etc.
Posted: Fri 01 Jul 2011, 01:16
by tazoc
Hi Sage,
I like Opera also, except that I depend on some of the extensions for FF, for example, the stellar FireFTP which wasn't available for Opera when I checked earlier this year. I use web-based email so Opera's email client is a plus for some, but not for me. FF 5 opens very quickly now and themes easily. It's also ~4M smaller than FF 4 (37 -> 33M uncompressed.) My Firefox-5.0-x86_64 Pet is 16M, Opera is 15M (inc. e-mail), while Chromium is ~26M.
Maybe if enough of us asked for an FTP up loader add-on for Opera we'd get somewhere with that one...
-TazOC
Posted: Fri 01 Jul 2011, 02:05
by kirk
Uploaded beta 3 here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 538#539538
SiS Mirage, again - got a picture at boot up, but wrong res. Used the wizard, typed xwin:
"Starting X, specs in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, startup apps /root/.xinitrc...
If you use the Xorgwizard from the Setup menu it should not drop you to a terminal. The automatic Xorg configuration depends on a monitor with EDID, so that could be the problem or we're not supporting your card correctly. I really didn't expect to see a 64bit computer with SIS graphics.
As far as the Browser goes, I'm not really partial to any. Firefox was chosen due to it popularity. Not so much to appeal to the masses, but a browser that accounts 20+ percent of web traffic is likely to be used by web site developers to test their designs. Please don't debate browser selection on the beta 3 thread, it just makes it too long.
@kirk
Could you add an option or two to increasing the size of the save file
by adding 1024,2048?
It takes lots of reboots to get the save file up to 4 or 5 gb with the max
being 512mb.
I'll try to take a look. I was on vacation, now back at work playing catch-up.
Posted: Fri 01 Jul 2011, 02:58
by rcrsn51
The Tesseract OCR engine for Peasyscan is available
here in 64-bit form. See Page 2.
Posted: Fri 01 Jul 2011, 05:00
by Sage
depends on a monitor with EDID
That test site uses a Dell 4:3 which has a chequered reputation. The SiS Mirage chipset runs perfectly with every other distro, 32&64-bit, that I've thrown at it.
Browsers - OK; FTP I don't use at test stations.
Posted: Fri 01 Jul 2011, 05:22
by Billtoo
Sage wrote:depends on a monitor with EDID
That test site uses a Dell 4:3 which has a chequered reputation. The SiS Mirage chipset runs perfectly with every other distro, 32&64-bit, that I've thrown at it.
Browsers - OK; FTP I don't use at test stations.
This is the same test on a faster pc, Opera wins by a big margin on this one.
Posted: Sat 02 Jul 2011, 04:24
by Sage
Discovered a workaround for display by accident. The auto display seemed to be set at 960x600 - this is completely wrong. Managed by subterfuge (ie not sure how!) to set the monitor to 1280x1024 in Xorg Wizard, then selected 1024x768 res. Ran through the various 'Test', 'Finish' options and it started up with the correct settings.
Strangely, discovered that the incorrect initial settings with Lupu 5.2.5 also started up with 960x600, but in that case the reset option worked without any gliches.
Sorry kirk, but just got to mention Opera again. Following above fix, updated my FD FULL to your beta3. Earlier FULL had already got Opera installed so had a direct comparison with FF5. Frankly, it's no contest. Opera runs rings around FF5. To add fuel to the fire, when starting FF5 a message box pops up advising that some FTP functions are not available. Time to dump the Mozilla Foundation? It might not make you popular in Peranjori, but you will have the best browser by a long measure.
Posted: Mon 04 Jul 2011, 17:27
by gcmartin
rcrsn51 wrote:The Tesseract OCR engine for Peasyscan is available
here in 64-bit form. See Page 2.
Sound great.
Question
(I have never used OCR in Linux, so forgive my naivete.)
Under what menu subtopic is this OCR converter to be found?
I have some TIFFs and other image files I would like to test conversion on.
Thanks in advance
Posted: Mon 04 Jul 2011, 17:40
by gcmartin
rcrsn51 wrote:The Tesseract OCR engine for Peasyscan is available
here in 64-bit form. ... .
Thanks @Rcrsn51. This is a PET I could use.
Questions: (Forgive my naivete, but I have never used an OCR program in Linux)
- Under what Menu item is this OCR program to be found?
- Should I expect any problem using it to extract text from a TIFF or other video formats?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Posted: Mon 04 Jul 2011, 20:06
by rcrsn51
gcmartin wrote:Under what Menu item is this OCR program to be found?
The Tesseract PET does not make a menu item - it is designed to be called by Peasyscan.
However, if you want to run it from the command line, use
It will product the text file xxx.txt.
Thanks for Fatdog, trouble with touchpad scrolling
Posted: Thu 07 Jul 2011, 15:46
by Eathray
Kirk,
Love Fatdog64. Amazing.
Having trouble with my touchpad. I should be able to scroll along the right side and see the browser page move up and down, but I can't seem to get it working. Tried the touchpad adjustment tool... maybe there's a setting I'm missing? Any thoughts?
hp6400
CentrinoDuo
1gig ram
live-boot cd with save file
FatDog64 520 b2
Thanks so much for making this. Fantastic.
Eathray
Posted: Thu 07 Jul 2011, 23:48
by kirk
Eathray,
Assuming you have a Synaptics touch pad, you can try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf. There's a ton of settings to play with, see /usr/share/doc/faqs/synaptics.htm
P.S. There is a beta3 and soon there will be a RC.
Posted: Fri 08 Jul 2011, 00:18
by HiDeHo
ho what is the bass puppy os this is built on.
Posted: Fri 08 Jul 2011, 15:35
by Eathray
kirk wrote:Eathray,
Assuming you have a Synaptics touch pad, you can try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf. There's a ton of settings to play with, see /usr/share/doc/faqs/synaptics.htm
P.S. There is a beta3 and soon there will be a RC.
Kirk,
I looked around in those files, and don't pretend to understand it all, but I didn't see anything wrong. Hmm...
I downloaded the b3 you mentioned and burned it (I think I saw it has Firefox... cool). So, do I change the names of the b2 then reboot with the b3 disk, like normal Puppies? I tried to boot it using pfix=ram like other pups, but it loaded b2 regardless. Do you have a different procedure or did I miss something?
Thanks, and, continuing to love, love, love Fatdog64
Eathray