Heralding the arrival of Pizzapup 1.0.5!

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Guest · #41 Post by **Guest** » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 00:17

Hehe!

This is bad news!
But I have 150MB of swap! Does it help???
I like Pizzasgood edition.
So I had to use standard Puppy edition.

thanks
and keep inprove Pizzasgood!

GuestToo · #42 Post by **GuestToo** » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 01:52

i do not think swap will help if image.gz is too big

when the live cd boots, the boot loader unzips the Linux kernel (vmlinuz) in ram

image.gz is unzipped in ram and mounted on a ram drive (initrd - initial ram drive) ... this is a file system that has /bin, /sbin, /lib etc etc etc) ... the kernel starts running /sbin/init to start Puppy

at this point, swap is not mounted yet

the disadvantage in putting extra stuff in image.gz is that when you first boot, the larger image.gz requires more ram than a smaller image.gz would

the advantage is, after Puppy starts running, some of the stuff in ram is deleted so it doesn't take as much space ... if you put the extra stuff in usr_cram.fs, it does not get deleted, and stays in ram and uses up space in ram (but if usr_cram.fs does not get copied to ram, for example on a machine with not much ram, then usr_cram.fs does not take up space in ram)

another advantage to putting stuff in image.gz: if the extra stuff is stuff that gets copied to /root, like roxapps in /root/my-roxapps, then when Puppy runs, those apps are running from the hard drive, and are not being kept in ram at all (they only get into ram if they are actually used ... for example, icewm themes that are not being used are on the hard drive, not in ram)

so it's kinda complicated, and i'm not sure which is the best way to do it, but it's probably good to keep image.gz small

#43 Post by **Pizzasgood** » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 03:36

Sorry WaWeeT. Next time I'm going to monitor my image.gz size. I'm also going to put firefox in usr_cram.fs. That's where a good bit of the size came from. I feel like slapping myself over that one.

Actually, I just got an idea. I don't know how well it would work for non-live cd installs though. I could set up a compressed file with everything extra that isn't needed to boot, then have it installed after it's setup. That way it would go into the pupfile. I could have a flag somewhere so it doesn't get copied every time. That would work with no pupfile also. I'm just not sure about multisession and option 2 installs. I think it would work with an option two if I did it right, but I know nearly nothing about multisession. There's so much going on in the forums that I gave up on keeping track of it.

If it was on the cd as therestofthesystem.tgz, would it show up in multisession? I think is should work in that case.

GuestToo · #44 Post by **GuestToo** » Wed 02 Nov 2005, 04:26

you should be able to do something like:

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if [ ! -r /etc/therestofthesystemisinstalled ]
then
  mount /mnt/cdrom
  tar -xzP --no-same-owner -f /mnt/cdrom/therestofthesystem.tgz
  touch /etc/therestofthesystemisinstalled
  umount /mnt/cdrom
fi

the advantage of this is, the extra stuff is on the cd and on the hard drive, not in ram ... the disadvantage is, it doesn't run as fast when it is not kept in ram ... this should not be important if pup001 is on the hard drive, but if it is on a slow usb drive, it would make more difference

most of my roxapps can be moved anywhere you like ... for example, to /usr/local/apps/ ... a few like Rox 2.3 can't (but could be moved if you hack it slightly ... it's just the way i chose to do it ... an easy way to move Rox 2.3 would be to move it where ever you like and put a symlink to it in my-roxapps)

Guest · #45 Post by **Guest** » Fri 04 Nov 2005, 21:31

LuitLinux has a option to mount openoffice later when you log in XFCE.
This could be a good tool to mount later some programs such as office tools and games and some littleusedprograms. It would free some ram.

Probaly I will tray barebone edition and pupget a icewm wm and firefox! I hope it will work fine!

Sorry for my english! I hope you understand me! hehe

lightningfast35 · #46 Post by **lightningfast35** » Sun 06 Nov 2005, 23:05

1st off, awesome puplet. I'm going to put this on my sis' aging P2 for some new life and freedom from Windows maintenance

.

I was wondering how to change the desktop wallpaper because when I go:

Control Panel --> Change desktop image --> select my .jpg

the wallpaper doesn't change. I'm using Pizzapup 1.0.5 in IceWM.

#47 Post by **Pizzasgood** » Mon 07 Nov 2005, 01:40

Thanks

Right click a desktop icon, go to backdrop, and drag the image you want to use to the box.

The entry in control-panel is for the version of Rox that Puppy normally uses. I left it because I left the old Rox in case someone prefers it. Pizzapup uses Rox 2.3 by default, which is set how I said above.

shagpile · #48 Post by **shagpile** » Thu 10 Nov 2005, 03:50

May be a lot of effort, but will a pizzapup1.0.6 be coming out soon

#49 Post by **Pizzasgood** » Fri 11 Nov 2005, 01:02

Highly doubtful. I do plan to make a stipped down version of the standard Puppy when I work on some more built-into-Puppy type projects to speed up the testing and ease the downloading.

As far as when I'll do this, probably not for a week or two. I've been so busy that I haven't even downloaded version 1.0.6 yet

I get a whole week off of school for Thanksgiving, so that's the most likely time it would get done.

Rough list of apps
gftp
dillo
beaver
old-rox
IceWM or JWM-{probably JWM. If Ice, then small theme}
Perl-{Maybe}
gxine
standard system-stuff

Just about everything else will have to go.

dulac · #50 Post by **dulac** » Wed 23 Nov 2005, 02:21

[quote="Pizzasgood"]Puppy 1.0.5: Pizzapup Edition
Pizzapup 1.0.5 now available by bit torrent at http://linuxtracker.org/
md5sum

Excelent looks... my favorite.

Just waiting for the 1.06... or 1.07... whatever comes first!

Cheers!

dulac · #51 Post by **dulac** » Wed 23 Nov 2005, 02:33

Pizzasgood wrote: IceWM or JWM-{probably JWM. If Ice, then small theme}

PizzaPuppy is more easely accepted due to a 'familiar' look...
... so I would think twice!

I got xp__-1.0.7.tar to use in Pizza... and it was a success.
Yeap! I know, but it's how things works and there's no harm done, just the opposite! And to be fair, XP does have a great look, so why not have it available ?!?

Cheers.

#52 Post by **Pizzasgood** » Thu 24 Nov 2005, 01:26

That's not refferring to the next PizzaPup, though. That's for EmptyCrust, which is meant to be a barebones type deal. So I'm figuring I'll try to just remove things rather than add things. I've actually changed my mind a bit since posting that, so pretty much all it's going to have are basic utilities, dillo, gftp, and beaver. My wiki page usually has the most accurate description of what I'm sticking into my puplets and roughly how far I am, if you ever want to see more specifically what I'm doing. Currently, though, it's a little out of sync, as it shows how far I got on 1.0.6 before deciding to scrap it in favor of 1.0.7. I guess it doesn't really make much of a difference once the Puppy is shaved, but I figured I mise well, and it gave me time to make PupBeGone.

gonzo90017 · #53 Post by **gonzo90017** » Mon 05 Dec 2005, 23:08

Great to hear your about Empty Crust. Since I tend to use puppy barebones. Hope it's out soon!

#54 Post by **Pizzasgood** » Tue 06 Dec 2005, 04:38

Me too. Just waiting on Puppy 1.0.7 so I can get started. At the moment I'm resting and catching up with my non-Puppy stuff. Like school.

pakt · #55 Post by **pakt** » Tue 06 Dec 2005, 08:34

Hej Pizzasgood, how about calling your next barebones "DogGonePuppy" instead of "Empty Crust". It has a nicer ring to it.

#56 Post by **Pizzasgood** » Wed 07 Dec 2005, 00:40

I like to infuse a little of my personality on my projects. Many times that isn't possible for the actual project, so I take it out in the names instead. Like the MoBettaWallpaperSetter. Pizzapup can have more of me put into it, so I can just call it Pizzapup. But I can't really mess with a barebones, so I decided to come up with something more interesting in the name. Thus Empty Crust. Plus, by tying it in with the Pizza theme, I can link it to myself better and make it less official sounding since it's not an official edition, and I don't wan't it to appear to be one.

I'll consider other names, but DoGonePuppy doesn't really explain the barebones part, whereas Empty Crust shows that it's a blank slate to build your masterpizza in.

You can always just call it Barebones 1.0.7, though.

Alucard_the_dex · #57 Post by **Alucard_the_dex** » Mon 12 Dec 2005, 19:13

Pizzasgood wrote:Highly doubtful. I do plan to make a stipped down version of the standard Puppy when I work on some more built-into-Puppy type projects to speed up the testing and ease the downloading.

As far as when I'll do this, probably not for a week or two. I've been so busy that I haven't even downloaded version 1.0.6 yet I get a whole week off of school for Thanksgiving, so that's the most likely time it would get done.

Rough list of apps
gftp
dillo
beaver
old-rox
IceWM or JWM-{probably JWM. If Ice, then small theme}
Perl-{Maybe}
gxine
standard system-stuff

Just about everything else will have to go.

Id really like a 1.0.6 Version of that. I been wanting to strip down my puppy to Nothing and rebuild him. Maybe call a striped version like yours remaster puppy?

You should Have gaim and Xchat with it tho so that IM communication is still easily available.

Also id love it if all the programs included would be the most recent versions.

#58 Post by **Pizzasgood** » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 01:40

I decided to scrap barebones 1.0.6 because I thought 1.0.7 was on the verge of release. I was mistaken. For some reason I was under the impression that it would be out several weeks ago

So, now I'm going to do 1.0.7, assuming it is released before long, as I start vacation on the 21st and won't be back till the 3rd. That might be better, though, because then the bugs would be sorted out.

Pizzasgood wrote:I'll consider other names, but DoGonePuppy doesn't really explain the barebones part, whereas Empty Crust shows that it's a blank slate to build your masterpizza in.

You can always just call it Barebones 1.0.7, though.

Alucard_the_dex · #59 Post by **Alucard_the_dex** » Wed 14 Dec 2005, 14:13

Sounds good Ill deffinatly be waiting on it and will be more then happy to test it for ya.

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