Does this forum need a Dog section?

[wiak]

I also agree that it seems unlikely John Murga would change things - lucky in fact that forum continues to exist at all. But that doesn't mean that we can't make the best of it by actions that do not require John Murga's interventions.

It would be rubbish to say that my post in Projects area is another long useless discussion. The thread has discussion, certainly, but that is not my post, which is an action not a discussion.

Whether my post is of any use is up to others to find useful or not.

Some have stated that they find it useful though (so has enough votes to make it worthwhile IMO), which is why I have asked Flash to make it sticky. I see no harm in that.

wiak

[ITSMERSH]

@wiak

If I remember correctly the so-called Dogs started much earlier than its discussions on this here forum.

They/it then were/was called Pussy and were/was created by Sickgut.

Others may proof me wrong, but I think any following Dog is based/derived on/from that work made by Sickgut.

From that point the Dogs definitely belonging into the Puppy Forum!

[oui]

the more important aspect is that the Puppy forum probably helps that Puppy friendly views are disseminate under Debian users (Dog users are Debian users working with one of both Debian live base or the same on Ubuntu)! It helps the Puppy community to convey a part of her view. Debian did do a lot to prevent the use of Linux in live mode. I see it as the only mode warranting freedom in the web and, anyhow where opinions have to be free formulate. actually Debian wish some kind the opposite. Debian did impose us over the kernel a systemd in uefi computers and only some browsers are today qualified as "permit" (non supported any more is synonym of that, no question) - in the next future a prison perhaps?

no, no prison chance with existing millions of old computers and Puppy or Puppy friendly operations systems.

so is my vision why a Dog is welcome hosted in Puppy forum!

[wiak]

Others may proof me wrong, but I think any following Dog is based/derived on/from that work made by Sickgut.

Yes, indeed, and that is acknowleged on DebianDog website. Sickgut's Pussy used apt-get and not Puppy Package Manager or underlying Puppy scripts, so was not derived from Puppy, but rather from Debian Live also. Toni (saintless) took over the idea from there in initiating DebianDog development. I'm not sure that sickgut's efforts were welcomed by Puppy forum back in the day though...

[oui]

Hi Wiak

The long answer of BK an his opinion on Fatdog and other compared with his efforts to maintain clean the relation between non Puppy like easy OS and Puppy is an answer to your message before and the conclusion seems to be clear for me:

The thing is, the cross-pollination of ideas in the Puppy Forum is great, so we shouldn't start banning all the derivatives, just keep them under control, clearly separated.

[dancytron]

Others may proof me wrong, but I think any following Dog is based/derived on/from that work made by Sickgut.

Yes, indeed, and that is acknowleged on DebianDog website. Sickgut's Pussy used apt-get and not Puppy Package Manager or underlying Puppy scripts, so was not derived from Puppy, but rather from Debian Live also. Toni (saintless) took over the idea from there in initiating DebianDog development. I'm not sure that sickgut's efforts were welcomed by Puppy forum back in the day though...

I don't remember Sickgut in any way being made to think he was not welcomed.

In any event, his main thread, which wasn't the beginning of his efforts by any means, started in 2011 and continued for 123 pages.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=69475

[ITSMERSH]

I'm not sure that sickgut's efforts were welcomed by Puppy forum back in the day though...

I don't remember Sickgut in any way being made to think he was not welcomed.

I recall mainly there was some discussion about the name of the OS: Pussy.

Some people were concerned and/or called it an inadequate name (Edit: jpeps comes to mind suddenly). Some of the arguments were about searching for Pussy on the web which would return lots of results as for a sexual meaning.

I can recall a post of mine (RSH) telling that Pussy would be just another name for a simple Cat in Germany. I think I recall him being a "Cat" people just like me and he was also arguing about the "cat" program in Puppy.

I tried Pussy once for some time, but I was new to Puppy and had a lot to learn on that roadworks. So, I left it on a side and just forgot it during the time.

However: I like the Dogs today (even if they are NOT Puppy), as BionicDog was immediately able to recognize my Helix 24 MKII mixer board for multi-track recording in Ardour.

[wiak]

I don't remember Sickgut in any way being made to think he was not welcomed.

Well, there was a lot of enthusiasm and barely any attacks on his Pussy Linux effort, except for this post that I know of:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 429#561969

There was however a basic call for Puppy dev support with a complete silence from main Puppy devs/stewards of the time in response.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 429#735842

# If Pussy`s far enough along, it could very well be what these folks are looking for.
May be but I'm not sure about this. First intention of Sickgut was to get help from Puppy devs and make it puppy like. It didn't happen.

Anyway, Saintless carried the work onwards and times have changed.

[jamesbond]

There was however a basic call for Puppy dev support with a complete silence from main Puppy devs/stewards of the time in response.

sickgut registered on the forum on Mar 2010. The Pussy project was started on Jul 2011. sickgut's last post is April 2013. Pussy's official website is now dead and hijacked by a porn-site. I don't know what happened to sickgut, I wish him well wherever he is and whatever he's doing - that is, if he's still with us. Otherwise, bless his soul.

During the whole period that sickgut was on this forum, Puppy was still under our benevolent dictator Mr. Barry. It was before the age of the stewards. (Woof-CE was started on November 2013, puppylinux.com was transferred to 01micko on Jan 2016). Those there the days of Racy, Quirky, Lupu, and others, days of playdayz, pemasu, jemimah, and others. The other developers were "puplet" developers (hence the name upup, dpup, spup, whatever-pup).

The "silence" was simply because each other dev was focused on their own puplets, just like sickgut was focused on his own Pussy "puplet". It wasn't intentional or has any sinister reason to it.

If only sickgut were still with us in this forum, he would be very surprised to what happened his Pussy, which is not only flourishing but has sired many progenitors itself

[wiak]

...
During the whole period that sickgut was on this forum, Puppy was still under our benevolent dictator Mr. Barry. It was before the age of the stewards. (Woof-CE was started on November 2013, puppylinux.com was transferred to 01micko on Jan 2016). Those there the days of Racy, Quirky, Lupu, and others, days of playdayz, pemasu, jemimah, and others. The other developers were "puplet" developers (hence the name upup, dpup, spup, whatever-pup).

The "silence" was simply because each other dev was focused on their own puplets, just like sickgut was focused on his own Pussy "puplet". It wasn't intentional or has any sinister reason to it.

If only sickgut were still with us in this forum, he would be very surprised to what happened his Pussy, which is not only flourishing but has sired many progenitors itself

Interesting. Yes, I hope he is still well. I often think it would be great if these contributors from the past would come back, even if under a different guise. Hopefully some do. I'm certainly not overly keen on people being "banned" (despite sometimes wishing that on occasion) - this is a community of all sorts afterall; people who are in various stages of life, with all the ups and down such life brings. But a community's main purpose should always be to support and especially those who may be going through a rough patch one way or another (which may effect their sense of humour of course).

Technical issues are only one side to this forum - I am pretty sure it hold some much more important roles than simply that, which is why, at the end of the day, it is indeed such a great forum of people. It is more important, I feel, to cultivate strong attachments to the people who frequent this community than to any one of the distributions on it - these all have their merits so better to be open-minded about all the ideas they bring and share.

I find myself sounding like a hippie.

wiak

[wiak]

Here is a recent example post from a relative newcomer to Puppy to show that there is a problem in terms of confusion despite claim from other that, as things stand, no-one has difficulty finding the distribution/thread they are interested in:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 12#1019912

No doubt I'm not the only one who has had to waste too much what might be dev time, and certainly precious time anyway, trying to explain away the understandable confusion.

wiak
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[BarryK]

Removed.

[rcrsn51]

...my apologies, probably most inappropriate for this thread. Or any Puppy Forum thread.

Then don't post it.

[ITSMERSH]

Reading this has reminded me of a photo that I saw recently:

https://cdn.ecommercedns.uk/files/5/227 ... ne-new.jpg

...my apologies, probably most inappropriate for this thread. Or any Puppy Forum thread.

No.

Just laughing!

[foxpup]

Reading this has reminded me of a photo that I saw recently:

https://cdn.ecommercedns.uk/files/5/227 ... ne-new.jpg

...my apologies, probably most inappropriate for this thread. Or any Puppy Forum thread.

Not at all, Barry. It makes me dream dreams of innocence.
My wife laughed also. Good one.

[ITSMERSH]

No doubt I'm not the only one who has had to waste too much what might be dev time, and certainly precious time anyway, trying to explain away the understandable confusion.

But it's just that simple:

- Puppy never will be Dog

Full Stop.

[oui]

that is not the question...

the question is only

- where to put it in the Puppy forum supposed the actual place is not right


over that can the problem also be:

- can the developer (*1 do more to become an unequivoque situation (an introduction in front in his main thread showing clearly the main differences).

This message illustrates really good the need to do somewhat to avoid the chaos for Puppy visitors:

Here is a recent example post from a relative newcomer to Puppy to show that there is a problem in terms of confusion despite claim from other that, as things stand, no-one has difficulty finding the distribution/thread they are interested in:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 12#1019912

No doubt I'm not the only one who has had to waste too much what might be dev time, and certainly precious time anyway, trying to explain away the understandable confusion.

thank you wiak for this demonstration!

(*1 not only for *dog's! some named "puplets, the last one would be busterpup, show great differences with classical Puppy's so much they are, ok, I use the word although it is used by Barry, quirky. Why does Barry high correctly name his work Quirky, Wary, easyOS etc. and some other use the extension *pup to name somewhat "more quirky" than the "real Quirky" from Barry? It is nonsens...

[wanderer]

.

puppy based distros = puppy derivatives

non puppy based distros = puppy projects


each distro explains what it is in the first post of its thread

and all inquiries about that distro are directed only to that thread


all voluntary (we just ask them to ... please )


wanderer

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[oui]

hm wanderer, wanderer

.

puppy based distros = puppy derivatives

non puppy based distros = puppy projects


each distro explains what it is in the first post of its thread

and all inquiries about that distro are directed only to that thread


all voluntary (we just ask them to ... please )


wanderer

.

each titel in the Puppy forum has it's (facultative) comment line!

and what can I read next line from "Puppy projects"?

That:

A home for all kinds of Puppy related projects !

It is (and always was) important

[bigpup]

Good example of how it gets confusing to help someone using Fatdog when this forum is suppose to be about all things Puppy.
Fatdog does not work the same way as Puppy Linux.

Simple boot command options
Notes:
1. Fatdog doesn't understand psubdir, it doesn't need it. All savefile-related parameters are specified in "savefile".
2. Fatdog doesn't understand "pfix=ram", however "savefile=none" has exactly the same meaning
3. Fatdog doesn't understand "pfix=fsck" but "dofsck" means exactly the same thing.
4. All boot parameters must be specified in the same line as the "vmlinuz" line, no line breaks in between.