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Posted: **Wed 15 Sep 2010, 11:09**

re the above cd/dvd ideas you could also use the dvd and put the sfs files onto a usb drive to boot with right.

Posted: **Wed 15 Sep 2010, 17:36**

its-me-again wrote:Macpup opera 2 uses enlightnment its a 431 baised os try it out and see what you think.

Interesting, I will try it when I have a chance.

gcmartin wrote:Theres a PM to @tazoc from the SFS Utility author.

Thank you gcmartin. I'm glad to hear that jrb has tested the new SFS Linker with Lighthouse. I'm busy with final testing and debugging of the next release LHP 5.00 F, but when I have some time I will try it myself. Here is jrb's post:

jrb wrote:gcmartin,
Have modified and tested SFS-TCZ_Linker-1.6.pet in Lighthouse 5D both Live CD and regular. Seems to work very well. Had to make a few small changes but I'm quite sure they won't be incompatible with other pups.

Try it out! J

Please see the notes at http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47976 before using it, and post questions or bugs there also.

Tommylee567 wrote:dropped in to say that it is super this time. running kde 4.4 and some how figured out by the help here to boot using the intel driver.

Thanks and keep up the good work.

can i get some sfs modules somewhere?

Tim

You're welcome! All the SFS I have tested are posted at http://www.lhpup.org/download500.htm#SFS I received a PM about CairoDock but have not tested it yet. Requests for other apps are welcome.

gcmartin wrote:...please help me understand what's wrong with this logic. I know the Mariner ISO places its SFSs in the root of the LIveDVD. I also know that Puppy BootManager Utility expects to find its SFSs in /mnt/home on the running system. Let say I:
Open you Mariner ISO

Leave the base system SFS, BUT move all other SFSs into /mnt/home folder

Burn this "new" ISO as a Multi-Session.

Boot this "new" ISO

Run BootManager and select the SFSs I want

When complete, Reboot the system allowing the system to '"save" the session

BootManager won't see SFS files until they are copied to /mnt/home on the drive (not CD/DVD) that has the pupsave. So even if /sr0/mnt/home has them, they still need to be copied to a hard drive or flash drive, whichever was used for the pupsave. Remastering on the other hand, includes the SFS files within a newer, much larger the main file. IIRC the main file is loaded at boot before the pupsave.[Edit: the pupsave is mounted before the main file.]

Do you know if there is some way to copy Frugal to a LiveDVD so that it supports LH with the "installed" SFSs?

Except maybe SFS-TCZ_Linker, remastering--merging the SFS files into the main file (see CLAM01's post above) is the only way I know of.

I appreciate the ideas and feedback.

-TazOC

Posted: **Wed 15 Sep 2010, 18:31**

tazoc wrote:....
gcmartin wrote:...please help me understand what's wrong with this logic. I know the Mariner ISO places its SFSs in the root of the LIveDVD. I also know that Puppy BootManager Utility expects to find its SFSs in /mnt/home on the running system. Let say I:
Open you Mariner ISO

Leave the base system SFS, BUT move all other SFSs into /mnt/home folder

Burn this "new" ISO as a Multi-Session.

Boot this "new" ISO

Run BootManager and select the SFSs I want

When complete, Reboot the system allowing the system to '"save" the session
BootManager won't see SFS files until they are copied to /mnt/home on the drive (not CD/DVD) that has the pupsave. So even if /sr0/mnt/home has them, they still need to be copied to a hard drive or flash drive, whichever was used for the pupsave. Remastering on the other hand, includes the SFS files within a newer, much larger the main file. IIRC the main file is loaded at boot before the pupsave.... -TazOC

Does this comment imply that I should copy the /mnt/home folder from the LiveDVD to the running (ram based) system's root before running BootManager, then run BootManager so that it finds the files and builds the correct boot measure and tables....Once Bootmanager is completed, should I Then to Reboot the running system allowing the system to '"save" the session to the LiveDVD/LiveCD? Is this what would work. Would the Lighthouse boot process then find the appropriate folders properly?

Thanks in advance

Posted: **Wed 15 Sep 2010, 19:28**

gcmartin wrote:
tazoc wrote:....BootManager won't see SFS files until they are copied to /mnt/home on the drive (not CD/DVD) that has the pupsave. So even if /sr0/mnt/home has them, they still need to be copied to a hard drive or flash drive, whichever was used for the pupsave. Remastering on the other hand, includes the SFS files within a newer, much larger the main file. IIRC the main file is loaded at boot before the pupsave.... -TazOC
Does this comment imply that I should copy the /mnt/home folder from the LiveDVD to the running (ram based) system's root before running BootManager, then run BootManager so that it finds the files and builds the correct boot measure and tables....Once Bootmanager is completed, should I Then to Reboot the running system allowing the system to '"save" the session to the LiveDVD/LiveCD? Is this what would work. Would the Lighthouse boot process then find the appropriate folders properly?

The only way I know of to save your session directly to CD/DVD is with the experimental Multi-session LiveDVD (PUPMODE=77), probably quite slow, especially with KDE and I don't know how it handles SFS files. This is at line 115 of /usr/sbin/bootmanager:

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#for multisession cd, extra sfs files have to be on the cd...
#v3.97 sfs files are at '/', saved with a session...
if [ "$PUPMODE" = "77" ];then
# MPATTERN="/dev/${PDEV1} "
# EXTRASFSMNTPT="`mount | grep "$MPATTERN" | cut -f 3 -d ' '`"
# #...it may not be mounted, then gets mounted below.
# MSGx="Note2: These files are on the Puppy boot CD"
 MSGz='/'
# if [ "$EXTRASFSMNTPT" = "" ];then
  EXTRASFSMNTPT='/'
 xEXTRASFSMNTPTx="" #100711
  MSGx="Note2: All SFS files have to get loaded into RAM from CD"
# fi
fi

If you boot Lighthouse from CD/DVD, at shutdown you'll see

You have booted off a live-CD or DVD, and you can now save your personal settings and files to a USB Flash drive, Zip drive, floppy disk, or any hard drive partition (including NTFS). The session will be saved as a single file, named spupsave.3fs, which has an ext3 filesystem inside it.

However, if you have burnt the CD/DVD as multisession (not closed), then sessions can be saved as additional tracks to the CD/DVD -- each saved session will appear on the CD/DVD as a directory with all the saved files in it, not as a single file. THIS IS STILL EXPERIMENTAL

Select <SAVE> (just type S) to choose a partition to save this session as file spupsave.3fs...
Select <SAVE TO CD> (TAB then ENTER) to save session to CD/DVD (multisession) (EXPERIMENTAL)...

BootManager can't be run in first boot / LiveCD/DVD mode (PUPMODE=5), only after saving your session and rebooting. So I think for incorporating SFS files into PUPMODE=5, either remastering or the new SFS-TCZ_Linker are the best options.
-TazOC

Posted: **Wed 15 Sep 2010, 20:01**

Thanks for your insights. I know you are busy with getting to the next release and I appreciate your looking at this.

I believe this thread's mission is to address getting to the next release of LH and Mariner, so I will open a separate thread to discuss LH, Mariner, and SFS processing.. This will not "clutter" this thread or this thread's mission.

I don't want to detract from the "Prime Directive". Thanks again tazoc

Posted: **Wed 15 Sep 2010, 22:22**

Incorrect Post.

Posted: **Thu 16 Sep 2010, 07:14**

gcmartin wrote:Does this comment imply that I should copy the /mnt/home folder from the LiveDVD to the running (ram based) system's root before running BootManager, then run BootManager so that it finds the files and builds the correct boot measure and tables....Once Bootmanager is completed, should I Then to Reboot the running system allowing the system to '"save" the session to the LiveDVD/LiveCD? Is this what would work. Would the Lighthouse boot process then find the appropriate folders properly?

Thanks in advance

You should never leave the DVD open in general use. if you save and use the same save file from cd/dvd all the time as it gets bigger or full it will break and you will get a big error runing slow and nothing can be done.

the idea is good one though as long as you keep the save file small and wipe it out after you have finished or save it to the computer itself. I had prioblems saving to cd. adn will never so it again.

Posted: **Thu 16 Sep 2010, 18:56**

@its-me-again thanks for your insights.

On the subject of LiveDVD (Its been moved here), I have been using LiveDVD for a while and haven't even come close to consuming the 4.8GB, yet. Just my usage, of course, and it may be different from yours. And, I have a need for this because of some very obvious advantages.. But thanks for your insights.

Posted: **Thu 16 Sep 2010, 23:30**

Hi all i wonder if you have heard of teh new cloud bible built on nop quirky.

it has a good potential. http://cloudbible.wordpress.com/2010/09 ... iso-notes/

it was produced by aome church of christ in america i think.

everthing is online. it is a good thing.

i would miodify the linkx fo my country and stuff so its more userfriendly for use users in NZL maby even get my church to officially let me link them to it. it wold be a good idea. s a witnessing tool. and it is lighter then other christin puppyes i have seen.

this idea would be the best to use as it does fit on a mini cd. well i tested the version 100 sofar. now there is that updatd version ^ see link &^

Posted: **Fri 17 Sep 2010, 20:54**

Anyone interested in Cairo Dock for LHP5D take a look at this link:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 776#451776

Posted: **Sun 19 Sep 2010, 13:23**

For laptops with Synaptics touchpads (Dell D600 series and others), I found it helpful to add the following to /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the "Synaptics Mouse" section.
This will keep the cursor from jumping around when you are typing.
Option "PalmDetect" "1"
Option "PalmMinWidth" "10"
Option "PalmMinZ" "10"

Also, this will enable touchpad tapping:
Option "MaxTapTime" "225"
Option "TapButton1" "1"

There are many other options to fool with.
Try synclient -l
from a command console to get the complete list.

Posted: **Sun 19 Sep 2010, 19:59**

Lighthouse Pup 5.00 F (Build 500) released,
Mariner, KDE and Voyager add-ons also updated.
-TazOC

Posted: **Mon 20 Sep 2010, 17:21**

Quick first impressions:
I set up and ran 5F using a copy of my 5D pupsave file.
Update went OK as advertised. I used bootmanager to select new "5F-versions" of Mariner and KDE .sfs files. I think the ability to keep .sfs files in the sub-dir makes good sense, so I used it for the mariner and kde .sfs files. I found that it works fine but bootmanager does not distinguish between .sfs files in /mnt/home from those in /mnt/home/lhp5F so I need to move those other .sfs files to their appropriate sub-dirs so they do not appear in the .sfs list unless common to several versions. (... but does this feature work for previous versions?)
Rebooted into LXDE (that had been my 5D default). Keeps the background through reboots, and has the new network interface system tray app.
Tried KDE4 but it quits before the desktop - falls out to the selection menu. Tried dropping out of X and back again - same. Tried rebooting - same.
Tried Xfce which worked OK but lost the background on reboot.
I am using the same C-F .sfs file as before.
B.

Posted: **Mon 20 Sep 2010, 23:07**

Hi Barburo,
Thanks for the feedback.

Barburo wrote:I think the ability to keep .sfs files in the sub-dir makes good sense, so I used it for the mariner and kde .sfs files. I found that it works fine but bootmanager does not distinguish between .sfs files in /mnt/home from those in /mnt/home/lhp5F so I need to move those other .sfs files to their appropriate sub-dirs so they do not appear in the .sfs list unless common to several versions. (... but does this feature work for previous versions?)

No, that feature is new for Lighthouse 5.00 F and the latest Woof, and only works if the pupsave is in a subdirectory. When booting from GRUB use psubdir parameter e.g., psubdir=lhp5F on the kernel line. So for now, keep SFS files for other versions at /mnt/home.

Rebooted into LXDE (that had been my 5D default). Keeps the background through reboots, and has the new network interface system tray app.
Tried KDE4 but it quits before the desktop - falls out to the selection menu. Tried dropping out of X and back again - same. Tried rebooting - same.

Hmm, strange. What is the o/p of

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plasma-desktop --version
kdeinit4 --version

if that looks normal, exit to command line and type xwin startkde44 (that bypasses the logout panel, which runs from xwin startkde.)

Tried Xfce which worked OK but lost the background on reboot.
I am using the same C-F .sfs file as before.
B.

If Xfce misses the background, edit /etc/xfce/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc, inserting 2 lines at the beginning like this:

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#!/bin/sh
. /etc/profile #100907 TazOC (for wallpaper bug reported by Barburo)
sleep .5 #100907 TazOC

(There must be a space between '.' and /etc/profile.)
-TazOC

Posted: **Tue 21 Sep 2010, 04:28**

I upgraded a frugal install from Lighthouse D to F via the Xdelta3 patches.
Updated Mariner and Voyager via Xdelta3 also.
Worked perfectly,
Upgrade time, including the download, was maybe a half hour. Great work.
My old D spupsave.2fs updated on startup as well.

A couple of small things.
On every reboot or shutdown, after the spupsave.2fs already saved message, I get 5 occurrences of:
modprobe: FATAL /sys is not mounted.
I have no automount drives and no harm is caused by this other than being startled by the word FATAL.

qps fails to start with: qps-qt4 not found.
qps-qt3 works correctly.

Posted: **Tue 21 Sep 2010, 07:03**

Hi TazOC,
The output from those commands:

bash-4.1# kdeinit4 --version
Qt: 4.6.2
KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4)

bash-4.1# plasma-desktop --version
plasma-desktop: error while loading shared libraries: libQtScript.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

... so I guess I'm missing a library. I had noticed something amiss in 5D KDE desktop but it still functioned OK.

I thought perhaps that the "lost" xfce desktop was due to Desktop getting set somehow to "Solid Color" instead of "Transparent" but it happened again so I put in your /etc/profile line and that seems to fix it.
B.

Posted: **Tue 21 Sep 2010, 18:09**

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Posted: **Tue 21 Sep 2010, 22:57**

@All,
I've found an inconsistency with the way that SFS files are layered in LHP 5.00 F when one or more are in a subdir. They are loaded, but in a different order than if all are in /mnt/home. This is significant in Lighthouse because the KDE and Mariner SFS must be layered above the others. That is why their filename begins with a numeral, e.g., 5-Mariner-5F_500.sfs

Until this is sorted out, if you have moved any SFS add-ons into a subdir e.g., /mnt/home/subdir/5-Mariner-5F_500.sfs, please move them back to /mnt/home, re-run BootManager and deselect back to the left pane the SFS that were moved, then re-select them back to the right pane, and reboot. (This does not affect the main file spup-500.sfs--it is fine in a subdir.)

Please try that first if something isn't right with the latest release.

Barburo,
Please do the same as that could be the reason for KDE not starting. When that is done as described above, open /initrd/tmp/EXTRASFSS with a text editor and verify that /mnt/dev_save/4-KDE-4.4.4-F.sfs is listed first. If so, and KDE still won't start, please let me know.
Thanks,
TazOC

Posted: **Wed 22 Sep 2010, 01:06**

HI TazOC,

5F is working great as a new frugal installation. Only problem noted is that I was unable to update a 5D save file. The file appeared to update, but never completed the boot operation. New save file works great. I'm using the KDE desktop, other than jwm, haven't tried the others.

Cheers,
Jim

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