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Posted: Thu 17 Apr 2014, 06:29
by as77
For Knoppix I have a two pages long list of boot menu options, which do (among other things) cure the blank display symptom (forcing to VESA)
This right from the boot prompt, not needing to run xorgwizard. Could email potential fixes to the lady living over twenty miles from here. Unfortunately having the seldom used Via S3 Unichrome Pro display adapter
Posted: Thu 17 Apr 2014, 12:45
by mikeb
Via unichrome..indeed a nightmare...modelines in xorg.conf needed.
All getting a bit off topic apart from with regard to what to edit to change boot configs.
One things for sure norby009 is that the win32 installer is getting plenty of use
and by and large is getting good results for users. (chatroom and forum feedback I notice)
mike
Posted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 04:48
by technosaurus
a picture is worth 1000 words
Posted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 17:27
by noryb009
Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I can assure you that this is a false positive. Google Chrome has marked a
few other things false positive as well, and you can find more stories if you search for them.
I have downloaded one installer (570), and it has the same md5 and sha1 sum as the original. Mediafire is therefore not modifying the files (or at least that one).
You have to remember, this isn't your average installer - it changes how the system boots. To a malware scanner, it looks like a rootkit trying to conceal itself. I scanned a few installers with Windows Defender, and everything was clean.
If you still don't believe me, feel free to read through the source code. NSIS installers can be opened by 7-zip, so you can check the puppy files against the checksums of the files in the ISO. Finally, if you believe that I would change the source before compiling, you can decompile the script by using
these tools. I couldn't get the decompiler to work, but compiling an installer with the same puppy files and settings should be the same, or very similar (from a binary diff tool). To reduce the size of the diff (from compression differences), you could just diff the script.bin file from the output of the Universal Extractor (see previous link). If anyone wants more specifics to get a closer match, let me know.
It wouldn't convince anyone if I decompiled the script/recompiled the exe, so if anyone wants to do so, let us know the result.
Posted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 22:39
by rokytnji
I use the Slack0 5.7 .exe on my Compaq CQ57 Laptop with 4 primary Compaq partitions.
I guess if one wants to complicate things so the warning goes away
Change the file extension, and ask the user to rename the files back to .exe
Though renaming a file can be intimidating to a clueless computer user used to downloading and selecting run blindly.
It would require site instructions edit also. More a PITA than it is worth.
Just my opinion though.
Posted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 22:49
by vicmz
I could install Puppy by this method in a computer I bought recently. The computer has an old optical drive that won't allow booting from live CD, and I couldn't get flash drives to boot either. I wouldn't have installed Puppy that quickly if I hadn't used one of your Windows installers. Thank you noryb009.
Posted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 23:00
by mikeb
Change the file extension, and ask the user to rename the files back to .exe
if thats all it takes to gets chromes 'approval' it just shows what a joke it is....
mike
Posted: Sat 14 Jun 2014, 23:36
by technosaurus
mikeb wrote:Change the file extension, and ask the user to rename the files back to .exe
if thats all it takes to gets chromes 'approval' it just shows what a joke it is....
mike
It also relies on the host to use the file extension as the means of generating the Content type: http header... if the server wasn't concerned with latency, they could check for Magic to determine the files - I wrote one that is pretty fast (about as fast as you can get without using assembly language),but it still has to read the actual file so it will always be a couple of magnitudes slower than doing a binary search on the file extension.
Posted: Sun 15 Jun 2014, 09:57
by xanad
...news from Italy
Puppy_Precise_IT 571.exe
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz9e78 ... sp=sharing
Puppy_Slacko_IT_570.exe
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz9e78 ... sp=sharing
All in italian language: installer&puppy
Posted: Sun 15 Jun 2014, 20:34
by noryb009
rokytnji: Thank you for the suggestion, but file extensions are not shown on Windows by default. I want to keep the installer as simple as possible, so I won't change the extension.
vicmz: Thank you for letting me know! It's always nice to hear about the windows installer installing puppy when other methods don't work.
xanad: Thank you, I have added the links to the first post. Do you mind if I ask, did you use the NLS branch of PLIC? If so, did you run into any problems?
Posted: Sun 15 Jun 2014, 23:19
by technosaurus
I ended up using unetbootin on a previously downloaded iso (otherwise it still tries to install 4.2) and installed on a usb stick that I formatted to fat32... went smoothly.
you could try making it into a self extracting zip file if those are still allowed (I only use windows to download Linux since Vista)
Posted: Mon 16 Jun 2014, 07:26
by xanad
noryb009 wrote:Do you mind if I ask, did you use the NLS branch of PLIC? If so, did you run into any problems?
no, only win7 + Puppy Linux Installer Creator V1 + nsis-3.0a2-setup.exe, now I try with PLIC.
Posted: Wed 18 Jun 2014, 10:08
by xanad
Posted: Wed 18 Jun 2014, 21:11
by noryb009
Thank you for checking that. I've updated the links in the first post.
install doesn't work
Posted: Sun 29 Jun 2014, 12:03
by moijdikssekool
hi
i try to install puppy thanks to "Slacko Puppy Linux 5.7.0.exe" on win7. The installation asks to reboot to run puppy but windows starts as usual.
The "Slacko-Puppy-Linux-5.7.0" directory is created in c: and seems to be ok.
If i look the starter in msconfig, there is no puppy choice
So what to do?
Posted: Sun 29 Jun 2014, 18:25
by noryb009
Puppy does NOT appear in the boot tab of msconfig. You aren't missing anything there.
When you reboot, a screen similar to
this should appear for about 5 seconds. At that point, press the down key to select "Start Puppy Linux", then the enter key.
If you do not see this when you boot up, open a cmd with administrator privileges, and run the command "bcdedit" . Look at the timeout (first section), and make sure there is a real-mode boot sector section with:
identifier {random-characters}
device partition=C:
path \grldr.mbr
description Start Puppy Linux
Posted: Sun 29 Jun 2014, 23:20
by rokytnji
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harry@biker:/media/01CF54DDED227E00/Slacko-Puppy-Linux-5.7.0
$ ls
initrd.gz readme.txt uninst.exe
puppy_slacko_5.7.0.sfs slackosave-harry1st.3fs vmlinuz
harry@biker:/media/01CF54DDED227E00/Slacko-Puppy-Linux-5.7.0
and
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harry@biker:/media/01CF54DDED227E00
$ ls
093230c5be3240a86616 HP
093715c866f26335dee0 menu.lst
0ded4fd792b54934c37990734bc6 pagefile.sys
21e88d5f9c2745d30fd1 PerfLogs
39f271f968959cc8a5a9 ProgramData
3fe615a2c03ab6176f1b99657e389b45 Program Files
5edea29ffb268815c72de41ef40ad9 Program Files (x86)
7cd0958650ead77664d485f8d4 Puppy_Backup
a1b5c8f927bd741f7033 Recovery
Backups $Recycle.Bin
boot RHDSetup.log
bootmgr SearchProtect
c7f44a32908ea3f3d2989dfd16d996ce skype-4.0.0.8.sfs
Config.Msi Slacko-Puppy-Linux-5.7.0
devx_slacko_5.6.0.sfs SWSetup
Documents and Settings SYSTEM.SAV
eac9405019a001b1600419 System Volume Information
END Temp
grldr user.js
grldr.mbr Users
Grub_GUI.gz Windows
hiberfil.sys
harry@biker:/media/01CF54DDED227E00
and after I told the .exe to install grub during install process. I was left with a menu.list of
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timeout=5
default=0
gfxmenu=/Grub_GUI.gz
title Slacko Puppy Linux 5.7.0
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /Slacko-Puppy-Linux-5.7.0/initrd.gz
kernel /Slacko-Puppy-Linux-5.7.0/vmlinuz psubdir="Slacko-Puppy-Linux-5.7.0" pfix=fsck
initrd /Slacko-Puppy-Linux-5.7.0/initrd.gz
boot
title Slacko Puppy Linux 5.7.0 - Do not load save file
find --set-root --ignore-floppies /Slacko-Puppy-Linux-5.7.0/initrd.gz
kernel /Slacko-Puppy-Linux-5.7.0/vmlinuz psubdir="Slacko-Puppy-Linux-5.7.0" pfix=ram
initrd /Slacko-Puppy-Linux-5.7.0/initrd.gz
boot
on my working install.
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# df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda5 122G 43G 79G 36% /initrd/mnt/dev_save
/dev/loop1 4.0G 2.0G 2.0G 51% /initrd/pup_rw
tmpfs 158M 157M 1000K 100% /initrd/mnt/tmpfs
/dev/loop0 157M 157M 0 100% /initrd/pup_ro2
/dev/loop4 140M 140M 0 100% /initrd/pup_ro4
/dev/loop5 39M 39M 0 100% /initrd/pup_ro5
unionfs 4.0G 2.0G 2.0G 51% /
tmpfs 2.8G 1.5M 2.8G 1% /tmp
shmfs 149M 4.0K 149M 1% /dev/shm
/dev/sda3 15G 13G 1.7G 89% /mnt/sda3
/dev/sda6 9.8G 3.6G 5.7G 40% /mnt/sda6
/dev/sda7 77G 11G 62G 16% /mnt/sda7
/dev/sda4 4.0G 2.9G 1.1G 73% /mnt/sda4
/dev/sda1 199M 29M 171M 15% /mnt/sda1
# inxi -Fxz
System: Host: biker Kernel: 3.10.32 i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.7.1)
Desktop: JWM git-905
Distro: Slacko Puppy Linux Linux 3.10.32 [ arch]
Machine: System: Hewlett-Packard (portable) product: Presario CQ57 Notebook PC v: 068C110003204910000620100
Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 3577 v: 24.48
Bios: Hewlett-Packard v: F.42 date: 11/07/2011
CPU: Dual core AMD C-50 (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB
flags: (lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4a ssse3 svm) bmips: 3993
Clock Speeds: 1: 1000 MHz 2: 1000 MHz
Graphics: Card: ATI Device 9804 bus-ID: 00:01.0
Display Server: X.org 1.12.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: vesa)
tty size: 80x24 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio: Card ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.10.32
Network: Card-1: Ralink Device 5390
driver: rt2800pci v: 2.3.0 bus-ID: 07:00.0
IF: wlan0 state: up speed: N/A duplex: N/A mac: <filter>
Card-2: Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: 2000 bus-ID: 06:00.0
IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives: HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (33.3% used)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD2500BEVT size: 250.1GB
Partition: ID-1: swap-1 size: 5.07GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda8
RAID: No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 60.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 60.0
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info: Processes: 105 Uptime: 23 min Memory: 294.7/1623.5MB
Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.7.1
Client: Shell (bash 4.1.01) inxi: 2.1.28
Posted: Thu 03 Jul 2014, 18:08
by moijdikssekool
ok i have created a new topic
here for my problem (no puppy at boot)
Posted: Sat 19 Jul 2014, 06:26
by bigpup
Several people are posting warnings about installing Puppy on a system with Windows 8.
Example:
teddog wrote:Grub needs to be GPT harddrive layout setup Grub4Dos is not. Not a good idea to setup dual boot with a win8 hardware. Win8 expects to be only OS on hardware and is very sloppy with harddrive to gain boot speed ( expects stuff to the byte for byte same as it left it. or it will self corrupt )
Hope you backup your machine prior to attempting dual boot, I got an un bootible and was so messed up I had to zero wipe and reload HD image from a eariler backup. This corruption also occurs if you access the harddrive outside of Win8 using ANY linux.
more on harddrive corruption issues The harddrive can be error free in linux but wrong since the copy of harddrive layout in hybridation is reused witbout reloading for changes. This is the source of the windows8 self corruption. Machines need to be shutdown without going into DEFUALT soft fast boot mode with hybernation mode. Win8.1 stop respecting user wishes and will override BACK to defualt mode during updates of anything.
Makes it almost impossible to safely dual boot. By design.
Posted: Sat 19 Jul 2014, 08:27
by mikeb
I am of the way of thinking if you buy a shiny new windows 8 machine then use windows 8...thats what you have paid for after all.
I suppose the other approach is to remove windows 8 and try and make the bios/hardware behave as would normally be expected for a PC.
I don't believe windows 8 support has been added to this installer yet...and these complications is probably why.
I assume when these machines cease to be new then the linux world will have a handle on how to deal with them reliably.
mike
