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What and have half an app?anikin wrote:I didn't ask you to ditch ipinfo - only the "feature."
What will a user loose if you remove these lines from ipinfo:Code: Select all
# external ip #var0="`wget -O - -q icanhazip.com`" #var0="$(gettext 'External IP:') ""$var0"
I have removed them - no loss of functionality.
That's not such a bad idea... I might put that one to Raffy, he hosts puppylinux.org and it's only a simple php script that can run the code. And my point was not about phoning home but phoning anywhere, who knows where? Go on, try it. Remove some of the filters you have in place and see how many connections there are when you open a browser. Why aren't people whining about that?anikin wrote:Following your logic, if a browser calls home, why can't we allow ipinfo to do the same.
Oh dear... we're not on a moon mission. This I won't discuss anyway, not here.anikin wrote:By the way, I'm afraid, you're also not prepared to ditch xorgwizard - because if you do, Woof will lose its flag-sticking functionality - another useful feature.
The tears are a streaming now..anikin wrote:No, icanhazip doesn't breach my privacy and security. Puppy Linux does.Until someone proves to me that icanhazip.com breaches your privacy or security it stays.
. Did you even read about Major Hayden? Code: Select all
<?PHP
$ipaddress = $_SERVER["REMOTE_ADDR"];
Echo "$ipaddress\n";
?>Code: Select all
curl http://01micko.com/ipaddy/I guess that is because a lot of people know how to sort out their browsers from the default offerings, i.e do not track me= track me by telling sites or a database I do not want to be tracked. Third party cookies forever etc. Just a hangover from old business practise that won't cut it anymore.01micko wrote:Remove some of the filters you have in place and see how many connections there are when you open a browser. Why aren't people whining about that?
What facts?anikin wrote:Not at all, I'm just stating the facts.I'm afraid you are making some wild assumptions.
ipinfo is using icanhazip.com to report you external IP to you.
if you you do not want this functionality built in, comment it out, but I do not see anybody complaining.anikin wrote:An average user will hardly ever want to know the external IP address in his entire lifetime. However, if curiosity hits him, here's a little piece of code:. Type, or copy/paste it into Google search bar and you will see your IP right on the top of the page.Code: Select all
my ip
"murky" is simply a lie or paranoia.anikin wrote:There's absolutely no need to have a murky url permanently glued to the user's computer.
That is another lie. The computer is not "directed" there in any way. Is just checking it's IP the same way it does with your router or your ISP.anikin wrote:Let him make his own choices, or at least ask him first if he wants to be directed there every time his computer starts.
"Caring" can be easily seen by the post record in this forum. For everybody...anikin wrote:If you care about the future of Puppy Linux and its users, you will have to remove this "feature" from Woof CE. Just sweeping the issue under the rug, won't make it go away - it will resurface in another thread here, sooner or later.
Precisely. Presumptions. The nature of which mostly depend on the person doing them...anikin wrote:Add here setting flags on user's partitions and they will start making presumptions, that's human nature.But comments about "tracking" "business partners" etc sound at least unfounded (to be nice).
Are you nuts?01micko wrote: Now, armed with this, PM raffy and ask him to host that file, call it index.php and stick it in puppylinux.org/my-ip or something.
A typical approach: diminish an opponent - call him a liar, because he doesn't share your view, and throw in unrelated info to divert the forum's attention. I've never said, icanhazip uses cookies or puts something into your computer. All that's needed for tracking is the address and time of the incoming connection. As per se, icanhazip is not an issue here. It is not a threat, never have I said it has a bad or any other record. It is just an obscure, unknown to the public outlet, hence the word "murky." Put any address instead of icanhazip - the tracking functionality will remain unchanged. Why tracking? Because, that address is welded, riveted to the user's computer. Remove the code, if you don't like it, says the dev. Thanks, for the tip, I removed the code a long time ago. But I'm testing every new release of Puppies and of course most of the time I will forget about the issue. Those who are even more noobs, than I'm, are completely out of luck. They blissfully believe, Puppy connects only to the sites it is told to go to. They are unaware of the "feature" - Puppy Linux has a buddy, let's go say hello to him. By the time the new, unsuspecting user comes across this or other threads, Puppy's buddy will have a little record to share. Perhaps, he is not a buddy at all - just a dull business partner, who knows. Yep, looks more like a business partner :/mavrothal wrote:anikin wrote:
Let him make his own choices, or at least ask him first if he wants to be directed there every time his computer starts.
That is another lie. The computer is not "directed" there in any way. Is just checking it's IP the same way it does with your router or your ISP.
Is not accepting any "cookies" or flags and no other app is looking in to this. Besides, let me repeat in case you missed it, you public IP reported in ipinfo by icanhazip.com is the IP of your service provider. No one can track YOU with this IP (even if somehow could have access to it).
I don't understand why this comment is problematic. I understood Anikin to be suggesting that this was one way a user could determine their external IP. Is that not correct? It certainly works for me (or are you suggesting that the resultant info cannot be trusted?)01micko wrote:That's where your argument lost all credibility.anikin wrote:. Type, or copy/paste it into Google search bar...Code: Select all
my ip
The issue for me is not one of the integrity of icanhazip.com, it is more one of my unhappiness that a connection was made unnecessarily and compulsorily. I would have preferred a popup screen to offer me the choice (and a brief explanation to help me understand the value to me of allowing the connection). Up until now I thought my PC would only connect to my browser home page when I asked it to, and until then would not go beyond contacting my router for a DHCP address. This thread has educated me that I was mistaken and given me the opportunity to decide for myself about these connections (some of which are not related to icanhazip)Until someone proves to me that icanhazip.com breaches your privacy or security it stays.
Is this actually the case? It seems at odds with the following comment:mavrothal wrote:you public IP reported in ipinfo by icanhazip.com is the IP of your service provider. No one can track YOU with this IP (even if somehow could have access to it
cowboy wrote:This allows you to build the domain into scripts to automatically determine what your public IP address is from any system on the earth..."
If anyone could be suspected of possible tracking/data-mining/anything to make a buck it would be the mighty Google.Trust Google at your own risk.greengeek wrote:I don't understand why this comment is problematic. I understood Anikin to be suggesting that this was one way a user could determine their external IP. Is that not correct? It certainly works for me (or are you suggesting that the resultant info cannot be trusted?)01micko wrote:That's where your argument lost all credibility.anikin wrote:. Type, or copy/paste it into Google search bar...Code: Select all
my ip
A script can be run in any Linux distro, on any individual computer,from anywhere on earth to get the public IP address of the one individual computer that sent the request.That's it....nothing more and nothing less.greengeek wrote:The issue for me is not one of the integrity of icanhazip.com, it is more one of my unhappiness that a connection was made unnecessarily and compulsorily. I would have preferred a popup screen to offer me the choice (and a brief explanation to help me understand the value to me of allowing the connection). Up until now I thought my PC would only connect to my browser home page when I asked it to, and until then would not go beyond contacting my router for a DHCP address. This thread has educated me that I was mistaken and given me the opportunity to decide for myself about these connections (some of which are not related to icanhazip)Until someone proves to me that icanhazip.com breaches your privacy or security it stays.
Is this actually the case? It seems at odds with the following comment:mavrothal wrote:you public IP reported in ipinfo by icanhazip.com is the IP of your service provider. No one can track YOU with this IP (even if somehow could have access to itcowboy wrote:This allows you to build the domain into scripts to automatically determine what your public IP address is from any system on the earth..."
Apparently puppy 4.3.1 does not make any of these connections when booted, so I think it is unfair to suggest that it is 'expected' behaviour and that it has been so for 30 years.gcmartin wrote:Why is this getting the attention it is garnering??? IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG THAT THIS OPERATION IS DOING.
Again I share that your system on your LAN is doing things that most users are unaware. It has been doing it, by standard architecture, for almost 30 years.
You may be right. Are you suggesting that each of these connections is just a 'safe destination' rather than an 'unnecessarily open port'?After thinking thru the concern being pushed, it occurs that the problem MAY be that its not known the difference between "port" versus "destination". This lack of knowledge could be the root of discomfort.
First of all your PC is not connected to Nugget enterprises (or to icanhazip.com or anything else if you do not have initiated a web/ftp/etc connection)greengeek wrote:Also...I'm probably blind, but I cannot see any response that has provided a justification for a connection with Nugget enterprises - which as far as I can see is nothing at all to do with icanhazip.
Did I miss something? Why is my PC connecting to Nugget enterprises?
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netstat -an | grep -E 'ESTABLISHED|CONNECTED'
In your words, please explain what this thread opened as? Please. Help us understand, in summary, how you see this thread's subject and its opening thread. And should you consider open ports via a LAN card as having nothing to do with any of what is asked, please share it for me. Thanks.anikin wrote: ... This discussion has nothing to do with ....
01micko wrote:Well raffy can't host the file.. that's ok.
Try this.