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Tried running SeaMonkey from desktop and menu. Nothing happened.

Yep - discovering several older machines here that won't load SM as well as other stuff. Wary seems to need quite a lot of work as BK intimated.

Jades wrote:

rameshiyer wrote:I have tried both Network wizard, etc. However, not possible to setup. Please also not that I have not seen any eth0 in the setup.

Of course I'm assuming that you are using a wired network. Wireless usually identifies as wlan0 and you need to scan for networks and select the one you want before you can set it up. How do you connect in other operating systems?

Usually I don't have such problem while setting up LAN in wired environment.. I was using Puppy Linux for the past several years. I hope, this may be due to beta release.Even wired setup, eth0 has to be displayed. In this case, not showing. It may restored while next release.

rameshiyer wrote: It may restored while next release.

Not unless you provide some information to help fix it.

1. Run "lspci -nn". Is your Ethernet adapter listed? What are the [vendor:product] ID codes for it?

2. Run "lspci -k". Does it list a kernel module for your adapter?

James C wrote:Attempted Wary 5.3.90 on my Windows 7/PCLOS?Puppy box.......was completely unable to get "X" started ....... even with "vesa".

Update:

On a fresh boot,live pfix=ram, I was able to use Xvesa to get a 1024x768 desktop.Not 1440x900 but at least it's working.

# report-video
cat: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: No such file or directory
Report Video 1.3 - Sun 30 Sep 2012 on Wary Puppy 5.3.90 - Linux 2.6.32.59 i686

Chip description:
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610002u Chip Rev

X Server: Xvesa Driver used: xvesa




...the above also recorded in /tmp/root/ as report-video,
and archived with xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as report-video-full.gz
#

1st look.. racy 5.3.90

fresh boot gives direct-to-desktop okay/useable but cramped 800x600, quickset only took input from my 'secondary' cordless mouse rather than my usual ps/2. Same old pmount tabview mixup - optical in 2nd floppy tab, thumbdrive in optical tab (this gives a not-so-good first impression for anyone using pmount with the default tabview). SeaMonkey 2.12.1 loads ok (from both desktop browse icon and menu). Here's the 'given' vid setup from..

Report Video 1.3 - Mon 1 Oct 2012 on Racy Puppy 5.3.90 - Linux 3.0.25 i686

Chip description:
9.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) 0.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01)
oem: ATI RADEON 9200

X Server: Xorg Driver used: radeon
X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 800x600 pixels (211x158 millimeters)
depth of root window: 16 planes

..edit xorg.conf and re-X..

Report Video 1.3 - Mon 1 Oct 2012 on Racy Puppy 5.3.90 - Linux 3.0.25 i686

Chip description:
9.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) 0.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01)
oem: ATI RADEON 9200

X Server: Xorg Driver used: radeon
X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (270x203 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

..less cramped but shifted left about 25 pixels and a bit wide (fixed with a custom modeline in xorg.conf). Still two ffconverts in rox OpenWith (one capped, other not). Oya, as for Planner being in two menu cats .. planner.desktop is correct single category (Categories=ProjectManagement) but /etc/xdg/menus/puppy-utility.menu has that category in its Utility-development section includes (not really a dev tool in the usual sense, but likely a mixup with project name terminology).
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test on: i686 machine
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
vidcard1 - not used, but also RV280 (switched off in BIOS - aka Radeon 9200SE), PCI (old-style)
soundcard - emu10k1 (aka Creative Audigy 2 ZS or SB0350)
boot/save method - liveCD multisession (cd-rw media)
limitations - no printer, no internet connection

Sage wrote:

Tried running SeaMonkey from desktop and menu. Nothing happened.

Yep - discovering several older machines here that won't load SM as well as other stuff. Wary seems to need quite a lot of work as BK intimated.

To be fair to BK, I'd imagine that he himself no longer has a sub-i686 machine and is therefore reliant on those of us who still do so to report on things that fall over. James C's trusty PIII 730 (ish), classed as an i686 CPU, only started to show problems after a reasonably recent flash update.

Which were the other programs you were having problems with? As mentioned previously, the current problems with SeaMonkey aren't an incentive for me to carry 'Zhaan' to the other side of the house to connect to the internet.

Jades, what about Opera?

It's labeled 'i386'. I'm fast turning off of anything mozilla lately. Perhaps try terryphi's sfs in the browser section.

I'm trialling in Slacko. It's near half the size of seamonkey, flash is working however I'm yet to trial it standalone. I'm thinking a lot of stuff is compiled against the seamonkey netscape libs (nss, nspr) for ssl and the like. There has also been reported printing issues with things such as airline and movie tickets.

01micko wrote:Jades what about Opera?

It's labeled 'i386'. I'm fast turning off of anything mozilla lately. Perhaps try terryphi's sfs in the browser section.

I've used those SFS files on Merlin, the Pentium D machine, for a while to great success. They're ideal for the way I use Puppy on that machine where everything's done with LiveCD and Pupsaves. Just make sure that the SFS is loaded, sync with Opera Link and away you go. The one Opera SFS can be used with any number of Puppy CDs and any number of save files.

Subject, of course, to the app actually managing to load on your computer. For some reason, I can't get recent Opera SFS files to run on on Zhaan, the K6-2 500 system. I have a frustrating lack of any information other than it is not running. SeaMonkey does at least give me enough to suggest a probable cause based on prior experience on that machine.

One of the odd things about my, admittedly brief relative to others here, time testing Puppy is that I've used Opera a lot on it and that preference spread to my XP setup too. I had prior experience of it quite some time ago, including the EPOC version I used to use on my Psion Revo Plus, but decided that since I was using a new OS (Puppy) anyway I might as well give it another shot. I really like it.

In general, my requirements for browser performance may not be as high as others. I still use RISC OS as a day-to-day OS and on that NetSurf is very much my first choice. On PCs, I've used Opera a lot in the last two years. It's a damned good browser. I eventually reinstalled Firefox after replacing this PC's hard drive and rebuilding the XP install, but that was largely because I was sick of my brother complaining that one of his Facebook games didn't work as well.

I grew up with Mozilla. First used the internet at university in 1996 and the choice was between NSCA Mosaic and Netscape 2. I was Netscape all the way back then, right up to Netscape 6 (IIRC). I do quite like SeaMonkey, and its old-school everything-Internet-integrated approach does have a certain retro charm, but my preferences evolved into having specific packages for specific jobs a long time ago.

If I had to pick only one thing that has really annoyed me about Firefox over the last few years, it's the massive increase in version number for very little obvious improvement.

01micko wrote:I'm trialling in Slacko. It's near half the size of seamonkey, flash is working however I'm yet to trial it standalone. I'm thinking a lot of stuff is compiled against the seamonkey netscape libs (nss, nspr) for ssl and the like. There has also been reported printing issues with things such as airline and movie tickets.

Given that Slackware 14.0 itself has only just been released, it's worth taking the time to trial Opera as Slacko's default browser during the testing phase if that's what you want to try. In general I find it an excellent day-to-day browser, but there aren't as many plug-ins as there are even on SeaMonkey. That's really a thing for another thread though.

Ah yes, Opera. BK is determined to avoid it. Seem to remember persuading him to contact those nice Norwegians a couple of centuries ago, but don't think he followed up on discussing with them some function he wanted but was missing at that time. I've been using Opera since the days when payment was required. More stable, more reliable, faster and a wonderful bunch of developers willing to answer my stupid questions and try to accede to the most demanding requirements. Then there was FlashPlayer and the idiot politicians who forced Auntie to flush our precious £££ down the Yankie drain labelled M$. They tell us they are working on HTML5 for iPlayer, but things move glacially at the Beeb. So the big question is which FP for what browser. SM in Wary requires 10.3.xx which isn't in BK's PPM list at present. Different Operas require different FP's. Goodness knows which FP other browsers need. Even Chromium, alleged to include FP, actually doesn't. One is supposed to enable it via <about:plugins >, but all the ones I've tried refer back to a download from the Adobe website, after which either they don't load or don't work.
Pre-i686: yes, I had to visit the loft and garage a few weeks ago to resurrect some really old boards; positively my last K6-II came within a gnats of being permanently recycled at the tip. During that foray, also discovered some useful Solteks and a QDI Legend which I've offered to Mick (and awaiting his decision, mick!).

..my desktop's only a 12 yr old (positively young in comparison to some)

racy 5.3.90

Did a 'swap disc' upgrade from my previous racy 5.3 multisession disc onto the clean 5390 multisession disc. A fair amount of cleanup and settling in - some things went strange but given the updating procedure as it is it only took a bit of hunting and a couple reboot/saves to get comfy (with a perhaps superfluous-by-now script in /etc/init.d since my personal .xinitrc is somewhat different than the given default). Was quite odd to see fluxbox start 'normally' and then have a cluttered roxpin draped over it with both an fb and lxpanel..

Interesting to see what got 'updated' (not like the old days when things got dumped to a dir in tmp), not that I understand a lot of the under-the-hood changes but it seems lively yet stable.

(in afterstep wm) glxgears:
5803 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1159.199 FPS
6200 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1238.488 FPS
6200 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1238.500 FPS

Looking good on my old desktop - next..
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test on: i686 machine
processor - Pentium 3 @1GHz
RAM - 512M
vidcard0 - RV280 (aka ATI Radeon 9200), AGP
soundcard - emu10k1 (aka Creative Audigy 2 ZS or SB0350)
boot/save method - liveCD multisession (cd-rw media)
limitations - no printer, no internet connection

------ offhand observation (a bit off-topic, but throwing it in anyway) ------
Compared to precise, menu compatibility is much better in racy with particular regard to lxpanel's menu plugin augmented by an lx-appearance.menu along with the others in /etc/xdg/menus dir. Structure is closer in racy, enabling a more familiar 'puppy' look with inline limits and so on if a branchout is desired. A nice feature of the lxpanel menu is that comment lines in the individual dotdesktop entries show as popups when hovered on the menu - this can be used with shorter, non-wordy entry names for a less 'sprawling' menu that still has the same or better comprehension of what the app does for users unfamiliar with the variety offered.

Not as skinny as a template but it pretty much auto-updates on-the-fly without any fuss

Sage wrote:SM in Wary requires 10.3.xx which isn't in BK's PPM list at present.

The latest version of Flash Player 10 is uploaded to ibiblio here:-

http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pa ... 183.23.pet

Not sure if that one will appear in PPM if you update the package lists though.

Works for me in SeaMonkey and Opera.

Is there a .delta file to upgrade from Wary 5.3 to Wary 5.3.90?

vicmz wrote:Is there a .delta file to upgrade from Wary 5.3 to Wary 5.3.90?

Yes - follow the links in post #1 to the delta-files directory

Works for me in SeaMonkey and Opera.

Thanks Oscar - I keep a number of .pets on a USB following the advice of ??? (DaveS?), notably a 10.3.x.x and a couple of 11.x.x.x, (notably 11..2.202.228.pet). I appreciate you want to be helpful but it has proved necessary to specify the exact version of browser. Sometimes it's just quicker to try each FP until one works! Ideally, one might engage in a massive editing operation on the PPM, listing all known browsers with appropriate FPs alongside - clearly an absurd request for our hard-pressed volunteer developers. Sadly not all Forum recommendations have proved viable in my tests, so there may be an element of HW? Or finger-trouble...

peebee wrote:

vicmz wrote:Is there a .delta file to upgrade from Wary 5.3 to Wary 5.3.90?

Yes - follow the links in post #1 to the delta-files directory

Thanks, peebee

Question:

I'm using Wary 5.3.90 and trying to mount the puppy_racy_5.3.90.sfs file to look at it. It fails with an error message: "Failed mounting..." .

If I try it the other way round:

Using Racy 5.3.90 and trying to mount the puppy_wary_5.3.90.sfs file everything works fine. "Success!..."

What is the reason for something like this?

@FeodorF
Timing is the short answer. I've noticed myself (viewing other version main sfs, especially if read from another optical disc) that a major sfs can be a trifle 'slow' to be recognised and read, I think some of it has to do with checking for compatibility (gross and fine). My rule of thumb check on the timing is to see if rox has read the properties of the sfs and then click-mount it - since I've been doing this I've rarely had a failed mount for viewing.

There's also a new-ish mssg about 'view' as opposed to installing (not too sure if that's sfs_load related however, I have shinobar's on-the-fly installed as well since it's so handy). Sry I can't doublecheck your particular since racy works so well for me that following wary isn't so practical (given the size of the iso and my dialup conn).

hth, anyway

FeodorF

It's maybe compression related? Racy uses xz compression where Wary can't because of the older kernel.

To test that theory you'd need to try to mount it on the command line and see what errors occur.

Thank you `f00, thank you 01micko!

I did some more testing, by copying everything onto drive 'C'.
I`m wrong! It was drive 'sda1'!

@01micko

I think you are right at the money, as the /tmp/xerrs.log throws out an error message.

Mplayer... does not display a fullscreen-picture when you go to fullscreen.

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