(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

As I remember a dvd did boot around 35 to 35 seconds and not 4 minutes.

So I trust you have multisession with many many changes and that takes time to go through.

Why not give a detailed description exactly how you boot and what programs and so on so others can reproduce your results.

Edit when I boot from USB it does take up to 3 to 5 minutes depending
on things like if it is first time or after creating a pupsave and how big it is.

So I take back my surprise. But my memory is that if one have a very standard version of puppy on DVD then it it took at most 45 seconds.

So one would need someone with patience and a watch to do some statistics.

nooby wrote:There was such an attempt yes but
maybe it was too difficult to accomplish?


Maybe, but I don't know why it would be any harder than any other distro to build a Puppy from.

while I am at it. Archiso by Gedano is the only arch
that allow one to boot frugal install on NTFS?

I totally failed with ArchBang. It search something
but never find it.

S.

That's a shame. I made the mistake of trying to do a full upgrade in my ArchBang install, and then found I'd burned it and it wouldn't boot up properly (and the live CD won't boot so I couldn't fix it).

I'm back in Vector 6 for the time being, which despite being nearly three years old now is still a surprisngly usable distro; the latest version of Opera (11.52) and also the latest versions of both Flock and Swiftfox (an optimised version of Firefox) run well in it.

Vector Soho Delux preview worked very good for me on
the win XP I had some years ago. The Developer on their
forum was so nice that he made a special file for me so
I could make saves to it on NTFS. Then when I tried it on Win7
then it failed to boot. Not sure why. So I gave up on Vector.

I trust it boot if one do like them describe
but I am a fanatic fundamentalistic frugalist (FFF)

I currently dual boot between puppy (for quick browsing mostly) and gentoo on my netbook. I also have two servers. One runs FreeBSD and the other runs Debian. I would run gentoo on all of them if it didn't take so long to set up.

Oh and I have a 300mhz thin client that runs puppy. I use is to host a database so I can simulate heavy load by it just being slow.

Gento is one of those linux distros that I totally failed
to boot frugally. I ahve not tested it for a while and
I am too lazy just now.

Today I compared SuperOS and Netrunner Linux OS.
And them are rather alike. Both are close to Ubuntu.
Netrunner to Kubuntu but SuperOS to Gnome Ubuntu I guess
unless it is Unity based now. I am too lazy to find out.

Anyway I like Nettrunner best. It works almost as good as Puppy
if one boot it frugally using iso booting.

It can edit and save on the HDD without being root.
I trust the reason is some mishap that them did when
them developed latest Ubuntu and now every ubuntu
variation does have it except a few that has done changes
to how it boots. Sadly none of the debians work that way.

During a lull in the puppy action I installed Vectorlinux 7.0, it's working nice so far.

EDIT: Been using it for a day and becoming more familiar with it, it's good.

How did you install it? Vbox? CD DVD USB Frugal on NTFS HDD ?

nooby wrote:How did you install it? Vbox? CD DVD USB Frugal on NTFS HDD ?

I did a full install to the hard drive using the vector installer.

Yes I have a computer now that I should be able to do full installs on.
Does the boot use isolinux or grub4dos or grub2?

DataPrince. Nevery heard of them so maybe it is some general
Mother board from China that them have put their own bran name on.
AMD Athlon 64 bit 1gb memory? so that is a but on the small side.

Would you say that Vector is pure Slackware. Does it get repos from
their own exclusive repo site or can you take it from Slackware?

Can you log in as root or do you have to do su or sudo or such?

What is it about it that made you chose Vector when you could have been
using some other linux distro. Arch or Linux Mint or whatever.
Just me trying to learn how others relate to free software.

nooby wrote:Yes I have a computer now that I should be able to do full installs on.
Does the boot use isolinux or grub4dos or grub2?

DataPrince. Nevery heard of them so maybe it is some general
Mother board from China that them have put their own bran name on.
AMD Athlon 64 bit 1gb memory? so that is a but on the small side.

Would you say that Vector is pure Slackware. Does it get repos from
their own exclusive repo site or can you take it from Slackware?

Can you log in as root or do you have to do su or sudo or such?

What is it about it that made you chose Vector when you could have been
using some other linux distro. Arch or Linux Mint or whatever.
Just me trying to learn how others relate to free software.

I installed vector to the second partition on my hard drive, it installed grub2 but I booted from my slacko cd with pfix=ram and ran grub4dos so now I can boot the puppy installs on the 1st partition or the full vector install on the 2nd partition.

There is a vector package manager but I haven't used it yet, I compiled seamonkey 2.5 and goggles music manager and that's it so far.

You can log in as root, during the install process it asks you to enter a root password and then create a user with a different password.

I used vector 6.0 a year or so ago and liked it so I decided to try out the new release.

Just spent some time with Xubuntu. Very nice, fast, lovely Xfce/Thunar interface. Everything just worked. I like the new drop down list launchers in Xfce.

DaveS wrote:Just spent some time with Xubuntu. Very nice, fast, lovely Xfce/Thunar interface. Everything just worked. I like the new drop down list launchers in Xfce.

Hi Dave,

I'm so prejudiced against Xubuntu, because of past experiences on my low-power hardware.
So it was a nice surprise to read your positive experience.

Can I please ask what are the specs of the machine you've been testing Xubuntu on?
Any idea about ram usage?

Thanks!
Bert

PS Nice to see your name again, after the forum intermezzo

I think Zeven is a kind of xubuntu but with all the codex installed
already. Now those that are good at finding and installing only
get upset over such bloat but for us who do frugal iso install
we love such because the iso is ready out of the box it is like
a remix and remaster. Very practical.

Bert wrote: Can I please ask what are the specs of the machine you've been testing Xubuntu on?
Any idea about ram usage?

Thanks!
Bert

PS Nice to see your name again, after the forum intermezzo

Hi Bert. Acer laptop, Pentium Dual-core T2330 1.6Gh CPU, 1 gig of ram. Not enough for Ubuntu/Unity but a pleasant surprise with Ubuntu/Xfce. Dont know about ram usage, probably not very much as it does not load programs into ram on boot like Puppy, and things therefore load more slowly the first time I open them, but it never feels ram challenged.
I failed to mention similar problems with the Broadcom wifi as with 3. series kernels Puppies. Not the easiest to fix either, but once I got it going it has been bullet-proof. Still Puppy (Racy or Slacko) is my main distro though. The new Mint sounds interesting but I think it will need a lot of ram.

I installed Xubuntu on one of my old P3's as a dual-boot with Debian Squeeze.On a 866 Mhz/512 Mb ram/1Gb swap box Xubuntu was much slower and more resource intensive than I anticipated.Already removed it...think I'll try Vector on it next.
Xubuntu does run fine on more powerful hardware though.

DaveS wrote:

Bert wrote: Can I please ask what are the specs of the machine you've been testing Xubuntu on?
Any idea about ram usage?

Thanks!
Bert

PS Nice to see your name again, after the forum intermezzo

Hi Bert. Acer laptop, Pentium Dual-core T2330 1.6Gh CPU, 1 gig of ram. Not enough for Ubuntu/Unity but a pleasant surprise with Ubuntu/Xfce. Dont know about ram usage, probably not very much as it does not load programs into ram on boot like Puppy, and things therefore load more slowly the first time I open them, but it never feels ram challenged.
I failed to mention similar problems with the Broadcom wifi as with 3. series kernels Puppies. Not the easiest to fix either, but once I got it going it has been bullet-proof. Still Puppy (Racy or Slacko) is my main distro though. The new Mint sounds interesting but I think it will need a lot of ram.

There must be some fix for broadcom wifi issues in 3x kernels - Bodhi has 3.0.0-12-generic and the b43 wireless in my laptop is picked up and works first time with out problems.

Here is what I had to do... might provide some insight.


open the ‘Synaptic Package Manager‘ and search for ‘bcm’
uninstall the ‘bcm-kernel-source‘ package
make sure that the ‘firmware-b43-installer‘ and the ‘b43-fwcutter‘ packages are installed

type into terminal:
cat /etc/modprobe.d/* | egrep '8180|acx|at76|ath|b43|bcm|CX|eth|ipw|irmware|isl|lbtf|orinoco|ndiswrapper|NPE|p54|prism|rtl|rt2|rt3|rt6|rt7|witch|wl'

(you may want to copy this) and see if the term ‘blacklist bcm43xx‘ is there
if it is, then type cd /etc/modprobe.d/ and then sudo gedit blacklist.conf put a # in front of the line: blacklist bcm43xx then save the file (I was getting error messages in the terminal about not being able to save, but it actually did save properly).
reboot

Today I tested to boot Vector 7.0 Std Gold Live.

That it is live is important for it told me that as a live user
I was not allowed to change the menu.lst despite it being on
ext2 and the files on ext3.

People have told me to get rid of NTFS and to use ext2 or ext3 instead
and all my problems will be gone.

What them really mean but don't realize is that that only works if
your do a full install and does not work if you do a frugal install of a "Live"
version.

The Devs have restricted the "Live" so it does not even help to be root
when you are "Live Session User" You don't have the permissions to save edits.

Now Vector is Slackware or a variant of Slackware.

The cool thing about Slax varieties like Proteus OS or CDLinux OS is
that both of them is more slack than Slackware themselves.
Proteus OS does allow me to save things being root.
Do you remember the Linux is Not Windows slogan?
Well Linux Live is Not always behaving like a Linux Full install either.

I did only test the first of these menu.lst entries


title Vector V7
root (hd0,1)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz init=linuxrc ramdisk_size=8666 root=/dev/ram0 rw changes=/dev/sda2
initrd /boot/initrd.xz




title Vector V7
root (hd0,1)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz ramdisk_size=7000 root=/dev/ram0 rw max_loop=255 init=linuxrc load_ramdisk=1 prompt_ramdisk=0 changes=/dev/sda2
initrd /boot/initrd.xz

SUSE @ work
Bodhi Linux on the old lappy
Super OS on my maim machine @ home
Mac on the wife's machine

Had my old AntiX P3 box running so I installed Exprimo 5.X.10.2 which is working fine.Long story short,went ahead and installed Vector 7 too..Full install on Ext 3 partition.Pretty quick on this old computer.Using good old legacy Grub too.
Cool logging in as "root" ..... everything has that red WARNING color, wallpaper included..

Pretty good triple-boot I guess....Exprimo on sda1, AntiX on sda5 and Vector on sda7.Something to do on a dull rainy night.