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Thank you bigpup! I'm certain you are correct with your assessment and I'll re-create a fresh pupsave. If that doesn't work then I'll relegate the flash to emergency data use ony - it's a dud, hasn't had much previous use. Thanks for commenting on the 2fs / 3fs issue - I was concerned about BootFlash vfat rather than ext2/ext3 (and ext4? I don't recall seeing it as a Lucid option, but my mind is a blur) formatting. I tried the flash on a laptop with boot support for usb and it booted and LucidLibre reconfigured fine - but on shutdown it had a VERY long pause on "Libre is shutting down" and hung fatally on "...creating .3fs pupsave".

I definitely don't accuse the Lucid Puppy base - I dug out an old CD with My First Remaster on it - a 520 with upgraded kernel and all my preferred applications and settings - and it booted on the RT686 and saved a reusable pupsave on another flash drive with absolutely no problems.
Actually, that is the reason why I'm interested in LupuLibre as a base (after long overlooking it for newer Puppy "itches" on dual-core hardware) - with academic-oriented applications like Docear and Zotero maturing to very functional and stable stages, AND with Libre add-on functionality - not to mention the pre-installed java that will help with things like ImageJ, Jabref and JGR (Java GUI for R ) - well, as far as ye olde hardware requirements are concerned- the sky's the limit for us pigs in proverbial

Hope somebody can help me with this Ubuntu program to work in Lupu

http://www.makehuman.org/content/download.html
Makehuman i now in Quantal Repository
you may want to try the Beta2 and install
makehuman from the repository.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php? ... st12274120

http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Quantal_Repositories

Woul MakeHuman program work in Lupu or would somebody need
to work on it to be a pet or sfs? The program is described to need
python would that work for Lupu to include that language

What does one need to do to get it to work?

Hi nooby,
I'm well out of my league here, but if you load the Lupu_devx_528-4.sfs, you will have Python 2.6.5 installed after a reboot. It would be my hope that you could *just* do the ol' "make" / "configure" and "install" process from there to have Quantal running in Lucid 528 (after sorting out any further dependencies that might be required, like the sdl stuff).
This link to a how-to was posted on forums earlier and I'm using it as a general guide - perhaps it might help you too: http://fermatslastspreadsheet.com/2012/ ... or-coding/

I reckon that I'm in a similar boat as you - I'm trying to compile a package (CowLog 2.0 http://cowlog.org/ and its dependencies Python 2.7.3 (ish) and PyQT4 - the latter requiring SIP pre-installed...). I've installed devx and downloaded all the files into build directories, but the puzzle pieces just aren't fitting together. I'm still getting my head around the compilation caper - and I see that at least two single/guest posters have requested updated Python and PyQT4 for Lucid in the recent past. Perhaps pelo's recent suggestion for multi-flavoured Lupu bases (java/python/qt etc) isn't such a bad idea!

Perhaps I should make my plea on the proper 'requests' forum?
I thought I might try to make a Python 2.7.3 pet or at least upgrade my Lucid Python. I've downloaded the latest series of Python 2.7.3, and extracted it to /mnt/home/lucid/build Python-2.7.3/Python-2.7.3, then in console commanded "./configure" and then "make install". (Ermm... toplevel directory???) I get some error messages concerning missing modules for sunaudiodev and bsddb185, but otherwise looks OK. The command "python --version" returns Python 2.6.5, so my original system is still unmodified. Could someone please either point me in the right direction from here, or outline how they made a python pet [EDIT: or SFS]?
I'm just missing key elements of information, and its got me spinning in circles. I'm aware that developers (and developer-minded folk) consider these sort of requests sometimes odious - the sands are always shifting and in all sorts of directions - and I need to get the troubleshooting process sorted for my own benefit, as various applications evolve and migrate their own dependencies. Are there helpful videos maybe on key upgrades in Puppy? But any advice would be thankfully received

nooby wrote:Hope somebody can help me with this Ubuntu program to work in Lupu

http://www.makehuman.org/content/download.html
Makehuman i now in Quantal Repository
you may want to try the Beta2 and install
makehuman from the repository.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php? ... st12274120

http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Quantal_Repositories

Woul MakeHuman program work in Lupu or would somebody need
to work on it to be a pet or sfs? The program is described to need
python would that work for Lupu to include that language

What does one need to do to get it to work?

hi nooby,

i've had this running before on lucid puppy a while ago....

these instructions are only for lucid puppy

first off download the tar.gz http://makehuman.googlecode.com/files/m ... -i386.tbz2(note it's for python 2.6)
you then need to install these ...
libsdl-image http://mirror.pnl.gov/ubuntu//pool/univ ... 1_i386.deb
libGLEW http://mirror.pnl.gov/ubuntu//pool/univ ... 1_i386.deb
python http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/pupp ... -Lucid.pet

you'll probably need to install your graphic drivers as well.

unzip the tar.gz and left click on 'makehuman' to run it. (note that the .deb for debian also works)

Puppyt wrote:
I reckon that I'm in a similar boat as you - I'm trying to compile a package (CowLog 2.0 http://cowlog.org/ and its dependencies Python 2.7.3 (ish) and PyQT4 - the latter requiring SIP pre-installed...). I've installed devx and downloaded all the files into build directories, but the puzzle pieces just aren't fitting together. I'm still getting my head around the compilation caper - and I see that at least two single/guest posters have requested updated Python and PyQT4 for Lucid in the recent past. Perhaps pelo's recent suggestion for multi-flavoured Lupu bases (java/python/qt etc) isn't such a bad idea!

Cowlog works in precise puppy .... i needed to install python-qt4 and python-sip from the PPM easy! ....
be warned ...python apps in lucid puppy though are an absolute nightmare!!

Thanks 666philb! That's very encouraging, I'll give that a go mid-week. I'm *hoping* that say if I build a pet in pemasu's Upup precise 3.7.2, it would be cross-compatible with Lucid? Or would it be another case of being strangled by Python?
[EDIT: whoops you stated it clearly already - I overlooked it in my excitement - Lucid + Python = world of pain ]

new background.

Still using Lucid every day.......

Can't forget about Lucid Trinity.......

The reason I make use of Lucid Puppy or Lupu 528-005
is that the way I set it up is beyond me to set up on other Puppies.

I don't even know how to set up nother Lupu that way. the knowledge is gone
I fail to know how to ask google or ask foru, I would ahve start all over
and ask and ask and ask for each detail. That did happen now yesterday
when FatDog reset my hardware clock two hours I had no memory of how to set it right again. Early dementia in my brain?

Some weeks ago I knew how to change FF19 to FF20 now I have no clue
on how to change from FF20 to FF21

James C wrote:Still using Lucid every day.......

Same for me. Lucid is still my favorite distro.

I’ve just done a full install of Lucid 5.28 FAT (i.e. with LibreOffice) and it's working fine except for the spell checking in both AbiWord and Libre Office, which in each case seems to be fussy about what kind of document it operates on, so I’ve further installed Softmaker Free Office which works really well in Lucid. I've also added a couple of extra browsers such as Iron and SeaMonkey as I like to have the choice of a non-Mozilla based browser and I think SeaMonkey is lighter on resources than Firefox. Iron is based closely on Chromium except that its settings are modified for extra security.

All this on a twelve year old computer! We sometimes forget (or I do anyway, though I try not to) how lucky we are with Puppy.

Thanks to PuppyT and to 666philb for encouraging descriptions
based on my long experience to always screw up such things
I don't dare to try it yet but much appreciated that you shared your knowledge

G'day,
I always thought that puppy 3.01 would never be surpassed (in my book) but I must admit that Puppy Lucid is winning my heart.

Just starting to customise though the new menu system needs a little work...

Cheers
Martin

edit: img didn't work with my url

This pet is written to upgrade a system and also be cleanly removed when uninstalled. It remembers the files created by the older version and puts them back if you remove it.

I added the feature of having psync run by pschedule so that people who leave their systems running for long periods can have their clocks stay reasonable. It is no replacement for "ntpd" but good enough for a user work station.

I opted to make the GUI be forced on and report the problem if either the startup case or the pschedule case runs into trouble. For example if during startup, your network may not be working. If that is the case, it detects it and invites you to run the wizard. This way, the clock on you PC won't just be mysteriously wrong.

BTW: If the author of pschedule is reading this: I like it but I found a bug. When I get a little time again, I will document the problem in a "bug" comment for it.

Thanks for this re-write Moose! I always had a "sneaking suspicion" that psync v-1.0 had some sort of errors in it as I never could get it to behave quite "right" on any of my computers no matter what. And I always had the right locale set ( America/New York or America/Eastern when no other choice ), the bios was always properly set... yet psync would consistently reset my clock either four hours fast or slow. A great idea but I had to quit using it as it became rather frustrating. Looking forward to trying your v.2.0!

Thanks for your dedication and work my Fellow Puppian Friend!

Cheers/Amicalement,

Eyes-Only
"L'Peau-Rouge"

Sorry if this was posted elsewhere that I can't find.

I'll paste at bottom a post today from a developer Sigmund Berglund, in the Multimedia section, re Pmusic.


Thanks,
Sheldon

zigbert wrote:
It would be nice if someone running Lucid could compile the latest gtkdialog. sheldonisaac is not the only one struggling with this....


Thanks
Sigmund

zigbert, quoted by sheldonisaac, wrote:It would be nice if someone running Lucid could compile the latest gtkdialog. sheldonisaac is not the only one struggling with this.

I looked into this and compiled gtkdialog-0.8.3 into a 900K+ executable! The version included in precise pup is less than 200K. Not knowing how to cut down the result, I tried simply using the precise/wary gtkdialog4 pet package in lucid pup. It seems to work just fine!

That package and the "examples" for it are here:
ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pac ... 3-i486.pet
ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pac ... 3-i486.pet

That led me to complete my effort to make frisbee and the new network_tray available to lucid pup 5.2.8 along with my accumulation of fixes taken from woof. See my next posting.
Richard

Fellow fans of Lucid Pup 5.2.8,
It has been my intent for a long time to provide an easy way to upgrade lupu to add various fixes made in woof. I also wanted to try the new frisbee-1.1 and network_tray-2.7 in lupu. I seem to have succeeded.

I created separate packages for the puppy-infrastucture changes for the standard "lupu" and the "lupuplus" versions of Lucid Pup. The lupu package has to be split into two sub-packages to keep them smaller than the 256K attachment size constraint -- One has the /usr directory, the other everything else. The lupu pair also applies to the three-headed-dog derivative, because it is essentially the standard lupu but with a later kernel. (Since lupuplus already contains many of the components in the "plus" package, its package meets the attachment size constraint.)

So, install the "lupu" package pair to update the non-plus (lupu) installations and the lupuplus package for lupuplus and lupupluslibre. The result is the same for both cases (except that a lupu installation will not have the wifi drivers previously included in the lupupluses).

Then, install some packages from the wary/precise library to add frisbee and the newest network_tray. For downloading convenience, I collected the 5 essential packages into a tarball "kit". Or you can download each of them by using these links:

• ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pac ... t-i486.pet
  ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pac ... dified.pet
  ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pac ... 3-i486.pet
  ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pac ... 130419.pet
  ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pac ... 130207.pet
  ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pac ... nc-2.9.pet

To include the "examples" documentation for gtkdialog4, download it from

• ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/pet_pac ... 3-i486.pet

Although I have tried this upgrade on one of my lupu setups without issue, I recommend trying it on a nonessential puppy installation to satisfy yourself that it is solid, before upgrading your primary Lucid Pup installation. Once we have some experience with the updates, I plan to remaster a "5.2.8.6" ISO file, now that I have a mediafire.com account to host the large files.

Note that this frisbee implementation is incompatible with the "beta" Frisbee packages. It is best to install frisbee-1.1 only to installations that have not had the Frisbee beta installed. Next best is to uninstall any "beta" Frisbee before installing "1.1".

To remove some of the mystery about the fixes since lupuplus-528-005 (also included for "lupu"), here they are:

• - mount - #120103 shinobar: need 'silent' option for ntfs-3g, avoid err msgs, permissions lost when copy.
  - 99-notify - Provides network state change popups for frisbee of if activated for other network managers
  - all-firmware/wl.tar.gz - improves loading of Broadcom wireless drivers
  - wmexit, wmpoweroff, wmreboot - #120425 appears to prevent misbehavior in full installation.
  - cups/backend/pdf-writer - #130126 correct detection of puppy linux distro.
  - AppRun - #110505 support sudo for non-root user; #130104 add frisbee control interface; #130117 remove redundant CURREXEC test, per shinobar
  - petget/pkg_chooser.sh - #120418 shinobar's internationalization fix
  - petget/removepreview.sh - #120121 shinobar: allow space chars in the "files" list paths
  - connectwizard - internationalized by rodin.s; #101206 pupdial_wizard_helper now called from pupdial; #111022 added hostname-set button; #111028 put hostname entry box directly in this wizard, internationalised; #111106 do not use $HOSTNAME, as hostname-set may have just been run; #120823 add frisbee interface; #120823 get correct pid in wait loop
  - connectwizard_2nd - #100810 moved SNS to top choice, improved messages; #120201 rodin.s: internationalized; #121029 added interface to integrated frisbee.
  - pmodemdiag - diagnostic logging improvement
  pupdial, modemdisconnect, pgprs - communication added for new network_tray
  - snapmergepuppy - correct handling of /dev/snd directory
  - xorgwrapper.sh - avoid insignificant error message
  - installpkg.sh - #130305 ensure tmp directory has all permissions after package expansion.
  - variconlinks (used by fixmenus) - #130728 correct patterns for xpm/png files only, avoid directory

UPDATE 9/17/2013:
Added "delta" package to correct omissions in the "5.2.8.6" packages. Adds internationalization and dhcpcd-dropwait interfaces (so networking can work), as well as USB3 support during bootup, correction of the usb_modeswitch interface and corrections of kernel version tests to handle kernels 3.x in 4 scripts. The files are:

• /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
  /usr/bin/envsubst
  /usr/bin/gettext.sh
  /usr/bin/ngettext
  /usr/sbin/bootmanager
  /usr/sbin/dhcpcd_dropwait_option
  /usr/sbin/pmodemdiag
  /usr/sbin/pusbmodeswitch_protect
  /usr/sbin/remasterpup2
  /usr/sbin/updatenetmoduleslist.sh
  /usr/sbin/xgamma-gui

Richard