Classic Pup 2.14X -- Updated 2 series

[ttuuxxx]

Thanks tempestuous I'm still learning when with comes to drivers, So I'll have a look at your package
thanks once again
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

tuuxxx:

Ok for all you samba guys I compiled the latest package with mountcif enabled its 31MB pet

Thanks for that but at 31MB I'm a bit reluctant to add it unless I know just what this one should do better than/different from the one already in 214X15.

Any help appreciated.
Dave

Well dave the default one is olders and is a cutdown version, This one will have security updates, more features and comes with the full help documents. I won't be adding it due to the size, hmmm I might try to cut it down and see if it works on the weekend.
ttuuxxx

[davesurrey]

Thanks ttuuxxx,

FWIW
The current one works fine (=don't need any more features) and I personally don't need any help files. I can always go to the net if necessary on setup/install but then I doubt I'd need that baggage afterwords. Security issues are always welcome though.

Yes a cutdown pet would be nice.

Cheers
Dave

[Puppyt]

Cheers ttuuxx,

214X15 16Mb.

You can see that the stars are aligned for it? And/or I'm having a mug's shot at the "most foolhardy" title.
As I write your 214X15 is cheerfully ratcheting itself from a live CD onto a Satellite Pro 430CDS with 16Mb on-board EDO RAM and a 256MB swap on its original 1.3GB drive (pre-DMA).
I'm using the boot params of:

puppy pfix=noramsfs,nox acpi=off apm=on ide=nodma loglevel=7

...and I think I finally have worked around the dreaded Toshiba laptop-Xorg-XVesa perculiarities (more likely you had snuck in the CT65550 drivers already). Nonetheless I think that I might also have a go at remastering your 214X15 Greyhound-like and maybe petbegone a lot of applications etc, as I'm aware of - no, I have skimmed the forum - regarding the "success" of using puppy on sub-64Mb machines, and of the overheads demanded for X11 etc etc.
As the end-of-life role of the laptop will be as a stand-alone educational/entertainment centre I'll attempt removing the networking and related features etc to get the overall size down to a premium, putting/keeping in flash and java (shoots self in foot). Are there any applications that you recommend I simply should not touch? There is absolutely no rush in replying as I see you busy on at least 7 other projects and threads - I will post later to update my progress,

Many Thanks Again



P.S. I appreciated your efforts with FH301RetroLiteV2, and also with big bass' Fat-frees 3.01 and 2.17 - they didn't take me as far as yet as the 214X15 - here the taskbar is up with date and time - volume, blinky and freememapplet yet to appear, no background wallpaper or icons loaded yet - but it has only been cranking up over the last 3 hours- 120MHz Pentium and 10 X cd-rom ... Gloriously quick getting to the Xwin setup however, by comparison to some 15 other puplets and retros.
P.P.S. If I can just get a few applications up as proof-positive I WILL be getting the maximum RAM for the machine (48Mb! yay) and upgrading the HDD to a SD-IDE adapter...

[mawebb88]

@tempestuous and @ttuuxx

Many thanks for both your the latest efforts. I tried your latest ideas and this is what I found.

2008_0918_RT2860_Linux_STA_v1.8.0.0-i386.pet
This as I think I reported earlier at least gets the network scanning going although even adding rt2860sta to the wag-profiles.sh did not allow me to connect to my WPA router. Fortunately I have another router which I also run in parallel which us configured to WEP. Using a script I got connected:

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iwconfig ra0 essid NEUF_2F58
iwconfig ra0 mode managed
iwconfig ra0 key xxxx
iwconfig ra0 ap xxxx
iwconfig ra0 channel 11
ifconfig ra0 192.168.1.xxx netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255
route add default gw 192.168.1.1
sleep 1
iwconfig ra0 key open

Nb I have replaced some actuals with xxxx

This is what I am using at this moment.

network-wizard-oct-430.pet
I tried ttuuxxx's network-wizard-oct-430.pet. This stopped the Network Wizard scanning working so never went any further.

RT2860-v2.2.0.0-k2.6.18.1.pet
Then I installed tempestuous's latest rt2860sta driver (RT2860-v2.2.0.0-k2.6.18.1.pet)with WPA support. I still could not get the wizard to connect to my WPA router. Ran through some commands I put in a script to see if I could find the problem.

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ifconfig ra0 up
rm /var/run/wpa_supplicant/*
wpa_supplicant -i ra0 -D wext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -B
sleep 1
ifconfig ra0 xxxx netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255
route add default gw 192.168.1.1
sleep 1
iwconfig ra0 key open

Doing each line from rxvt one at a time the line:

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wpa_supplicant -i ra0 -D wext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -B

gives an error message of:
[SIOSCIWAUTH] Operation not supported.

(hope I got this right. How I wish I could copy/paste from rxvt to FF! Nothing works e.g. middle button etc as suggested on the forum elsewhere)

Nb. The wpa_supplicant.conf and the script are the same as I use all the time in 412 and 430.

So back to WEP (at least on 214x) using the first script indicated above.

Rgds Mike

Still to tackle:
1) 1024x600 screen resolution
2) Get sound to work

[tubby]

Hi ttuuuxx, i have had problems with my wifi on this Toshiba Portege on all distros including yours apart from Dingo4, the work around i came up with was to install a couple of packages and add a symlink to the startup folder. How i managed it is at the following thread.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... &start=285
I can now enjoy all of your efforts on this old laptop.

[ttuuxxx]

mawebb88 did you try the alsa package I compiled, it might fix your sound issue
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/2.14series/alsa/
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Here 5 puzzle games I compiled, there were around 20 of them, but the others weren't so great, just open the file and click on a game anywhere
ttuuxxx

[davesurrey]

ttuuxxx,
As you are around at the moment...two things.

1. It may have been when I installed hpliplite-3.9.8-mu-p4.pet for my HP printer (which works well) but I noticed I have the following directory structure:

/usr/share/ppd/gutenprint
/usr/share/ppd/HP
/usr/share/ppd/ppd (which says it is a symlink back to /usr/share/ppd)

So when I use Searchmonkey with "Follow symbol links" enabled, the bottom left of the screen flashes continually between /usr/share/ppd/HP.... and /usr/share/ppd/gutenprint, and I get multiple search results.
So it seems to be in an endless loop.

Never seen it do this with any other symlink.
Disabling "Follow symlink" and its okay again.

Is this sort of recursive symlink usual? If so I guess that's why the disable symlink option is there????


2. Do you intend to issue an RC or even final version of 214X this weekend? If you do would it be helpful to you if I made a list of the possible changes/updates?

Cheers
Dave

[mawebb88]

mawebb88 did you try the alsa package I compiled, it might fix your sound issue
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/2.14series/alsa/
ttuuxxx

@ttuuxxx

Ok thanks I will give it a try. But which of these pets:

alsa-driver-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-firmware-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-lib-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-oss-1.0.17-i386.pet
alsa-plugins-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-utils-1.0.20-i386.pet

All of them?

Rgds Mike

[tempestuous]

Well the rt2860sta driver I compiled is definitely WPA-compatible.
First I would delete a configuration file left over from ttuuxxx's dotpet -
/etc/Wireless/RT2860STA/RT2860STA.dat
this contains default wifi configuration settings which might be conflicting with your wpa_supplicant command.

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wpa_supplicant -i ra0 -D wext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -B

/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf was the correct location for the WPA configuration file only with older versions of the Network Wizard.
If Puppy 214X has a modern Network Wizard (??) then the location will be
/etc/network-wizard/wireless/wpa_profiles/wpa_supplicant.conf

And of course the WPA configuration file must be modified to include your SSID and Personal Security Key (PSK).
Then the correct command would be

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wpa_supplicant -i ra0 -D wext -c /etc/network-wizard/wireless/wpa_profiles/wpa_supplicant.conf -dd

... or if you're using WPA2 encryption, the WPA configuration file is
/etc/network-wizard/wireless/wpa_profiles/wpa_supplicant2.conf

[Puppyt]

Cheers again ttuuxx,

live-CD boot onto 16Mb RAM was definitely fool's errand - the taskbar is up and the Menu is populated but still a blackscreen background with no wallpaper and icons yet - 24hrs after first startup! At least I know that the Pentium CPU, onboard RAM and battery have seen a good workout - apparently this 430CDS laptop had been sitting untouched in a cupboard for nearly 5 years beforehand. Hasn't missed a beat despite the glacierpace install. Seems now worth the risk to throw some hardware upgrades into it...

Meantimes I've attempted a "remaster" of 214X15 on a bigger computer - and quickly saw the act as frankly sacrilegious: what a fabulous range of apps you've put into this (outlined over pages 141-142 of this thread). I don't think that I could ever use half of them, but that's entirely by-the by. You've certainly poured a huge amount of consideration and effort into it. I even installed the 4.12-compiled Launchy pet as a test replacement to taskbars and desktop icons - runs brilliantly on the 214X15, a neat illustration that your series 2 update bridges a huge range of applications and hardware. Well Done!
The real purpose of the remaster was to develop a kind of downmarket HSB (HamSamBen, an EduPup update) for kids with donated or less-than-standard computers running at least 64Mb. (Perhaps sidder's 3 HSB sfs files will work straightaway on a 214X, given 512Mb.) To keep overheads down I imagined using the games you have already, plus a suite of flash games similar to those on WebPup /Barbie Expanded, java-based games like the recent remakes of the 80's classics, "Lords of Midnight" and "Doomdark's Revenge" (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_of_midnight) and removing the heavier (and perhaps less fun) apps like AbiWord, inkscape-lite, gnumeric and all the calculators, and all the networking and multimedia stuff, cd and dvd rippers and mixers etc (with the exceptions of Beep and Gxine, Zmixer and Sweep - that looks like loads of fun with a microphone!).

Caught your earlier post on another thread regarding Pet-be-gone and it's limitation to the removal of only standard/official pets (sorry can't ref it at present - it was in February 2009). Tried your workaround of tracking down and downloading the unofficial pet, renaming it from *.pet to *tar.gz, and then extracting it to hunt down and remove the traces in Rox. Phew! I think I will give your FH-retroLite another attempt on this old laptop first before I try a proper remaster.

The fully-fledged 214X certainly Rocks. My thanks to you and all your volunteer contributors.
(signed)
An Errant Fool

[davesurrey]

ttuuxxx,

Well I thought it might be helpful if I made a quick reference list to what I understand would be possible changes/inclusions/bug fixes to the next version of 214X. It's based on what's in 214X15.

1. add desktop-menu for TightVNC. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... start=2188

2. add symlink

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   ln -s /opt/samba/bin/smbspool  /usr/lib/cups/backend/smb 

and also start-up script

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#!/bin/sh 
exec /etc/init.d/cups restart 

for CUPS. see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... start=2194

3. also need to add symlink

ensure /etc/init.d and /etc/rc.d/init.d both exist and symlink /etc/rc.d/init.d to /etc/init.d

see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... start=2169

4. Do you intend swopping mrxvt for rxvt?

5. Not sure if the LADSPA plug-ins were in x15 (I might have added them in myself on my install separately. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... start=2175

6. BMP skins. clarf says

Skins for BMP are in sub-directories, they should be .zip or wsz compressed files.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... start=2188

6a. Also in same message clarf says

In background setter When I use "Reload" or "change folder" the application is closed instead.

7.

superswitcher dies if you kill something from the taskbar or the window menu bar

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... start=2199

8. No printing from Firefox.

I can print from abiword and open office just fine, but if I try to print from firefox my printer isn't listed. The only options I have available are print to lpr or file

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... start=2222

9. Are you going to add 01micko's Pcountdown timer? Now at version 0.2
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=47834

10. Also will you add Barry's Partview (as revised by clarf) Needs partview.gz and ppmtogif.gz see http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... start=2216

11. Await the status of mawebb88's eee sound, wifi and screen resolution issues.

12. Sorry but got no response trying to get someone to help fix the double menus in Gxine.

HTH
Dave

[ttuuxxx]

mawebb88 did you try the alsa package I compiled, it might fix your sound issue
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/2.14series/alsa/
ttuuxxx

@ttuuxxx

Ok thanks I will give it a try. But which of these pets:

alsa-driver-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-firmware-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-lib-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-oss-1.0.17-i386.pet
alsa-plugins-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-utils-1.0.20-i386.pet

All of them?

Rgds Mike

Hi Mike
hmmm looks like Barry only uses 2 of them in a build,
alsa-lib-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-utils-1.0.20-i386.pet
so if a newer puppy say 4&5 series works with sound, I would try those 2 pets, but If you don't have sound with any puppy version, I would try them all. combined its around 9MB. but first probably just start with the first 2 alsa-lib-1.0.20-i386.pet, alsa-utils-1.0.20-i386.pet
good-luck
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

Hasn't missed a beat despite the glacierpace install. Seems now worth the risk to throw some hardware upgrades into it...

Meantimes I've attempted a "remaster" of 214X15 on a bigger computer - and quickly saw the act as frankly sacrilegious: what a fabulous range of apps you've put into this

Thanks Puppyt we've all done a lot of work and its nice to see people happy with it
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

ttuuxxx,

Well I thought it might be helpful if I made a quick reference list to what I understand would be possible changes/inclusions/bug fixes to the next version of 214X. It's based on what's in 214X15.
HTH
Dave

Thanks Dave another great list, That will certainly help a lot
I'll use your list on the weekend
ttuuxxx

[davesurrey]

ttuuxxx

I found your mupdf-2009-07-07.pet and as I have a load of pdf files I tried it on 214X15.

Running it from the CLI I get

mupdf [-d password] [-z zoom] [-p pagenumber] file.pdf

but making a desktop file I get nada.

I though this was a gui based super fast opener of pdf files.
Am I mistaken?

Help!

Cheers
Dave

[mawebb88]

mawebb88 did you try the alsa package I compiled, it might fix your sound issue
http://www.puppylinux.asia/tpp/ttuuxxx/2.14series/alsa/
ttuuxxx

@ttuuxxx

Ok thanks I will give it a try. But which of these pets:

alsa-driver-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-firmware-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-lib-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-oss-1.0.17-i386.pet
alsa-plugins-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-utils-1.0.20-i386.pet

All of them?

Rgds Mike

Hi Mike
hmmm looks like Barry only uses 2 of them in a build,
alsa-lib-1.0.20-i386.pet
alsa-utils-1.0.20-i386.pet
so if a newer puppy say 4&5 series works with sound, I would try those 2 pets, but If you don't have sound with any puppy version, I would try them all. combined its around 9MB. but first probably just start with the first 2 alsa-lib-1.0.20-i386.pet, alsa-utils-1.0.20-i386.pet
good-luck
ttuuxxx

Hi ttuuxxx

Unfortunately nothing worked. Tried installing the 2 mentioned first and re-booted. No sound so installed the remaining 4 and rebooted. No sound. Ran the Alsa wizard. Rebooted still no joy. Basically no sound card is detected (as reported if I try Zmixer). Pity but I think its a Eee specific issue.

Rgds Mike

[cthisbear]

Just out of interest for you ttuuxxx.

Saw this on Majorgeeks.
I don't like Firefox myself as I prefer Seamonkey.

" SpeedyFox is a brand new small utility that fixes this problem with a single click! It seems unbelievable but after you optimize your Firefox
with this tool, you will get a fresh newly-installed feel because
the speed indeed gets considerably faster. You will get up 3 times
faster startup speed, browsing history will become faster, and
performing operations with cookies will be quicker than before. "

http://majorgeeks.com/SpeedyFox_d6241.html

http://www.crystalidea.com/speedyfox

//////////////////

Whilst I was trying to remember where I came across SpeedyFox
I came across some other bits and pieces.

I know this is Windows but there might be something for Linux.

http://java.about.com/b/2009/10/23/fire ... ate-10.htm

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/5817

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/08/24 ... databases/

http://blog.mozilla.com/oremj/2009/08/2 ... th-vacuum/

Regards Chris

[ttuuxxx]

Hi davesurrey I'm updating 2.14X right now which countdown timer do you want in the release? There are 3 or 4 now, lol
thanks
ttuuxxx