Puppy 4..2alpha "Deepthought" Bug Reports and Fixes

[ttuuxxx]

I spent the whole day on flat orange theme, lol I ended up making a few new icons, the original theme was 260kb now its 196kb, I made icons for, games, shutdown, folder The default folder wasn't flat, it was a orange crystal type, Pfind(the Pfind one for the taskbar still needs improvements, later-on) plus a few other tweaks. here's a look:) I'll release it tomorrow after I fix the Pfind icon on the taskbar
ttuuxxx

[capoverde]

I also miss Rubik's cube, which I like far better than space shooting...

Unlike me, I don't play chess, and Rubik's cube just didn't do anything for me. But space games like Xsoldier and Xgalaga are pure fun...

Yep, it's hard to please everybody! No problem, I'll try my hand at replacing Xsoldier by Rubik with Pet-be-gone + PetGet.

Shallow refers to the depth of knowledge the computer opponent will display. If you pick Deep, expect a good thrashing unless you are a chess master!

Oh well, that's why I didn't notice any difference... My skill at chess made me heavily thrashed by a Commodore C16 set to "Beginner" in 1987 and hasn't got any better.

I'll try to find out the path of the mixer call in mhWaveEdit, for the moment I only know how it can be set in the Preferences's "Other" tab.

As for the upper tray, I'm possibly just not yet accustomed to it -- it's a minor issue, as said. It would be more important to have Pizzasgood's tweak (or something equally effective) to end the <Insert> key crash syndrome in Seamonkey... Already had to rewrite my post in full yesterday.

[ecube]

The Swedish kbd keymap se.map in puppy 4.1 and 4.2alpha does not show non-ascii characters correctly.

I find the same to be true also for the de.map and fr.map.

My workaround is to replace the selection of se.map by /lib/keymaps/se.gz (the "older 2-letter method").

An alternative approach would be to update the kbd keymaps.

To that effect I downloaded

http://ftp.altlinux.com/pub/people/legi ... 4.1.tar.gz

replaced the /usr/share/kbd/keymaps directory and modified the /etc/rc.d/rc.country file, to the best of my ability.

The list of keymaps shown during first boot is then

• azerty "azerty (Tandon)"
  be-latin1 "azerty (Belgium)"
  fr-latin1 "azerty (France)"
  fr-latin9 "azerty (France)"
  fr "azerty (France)"
  fr-pc "azerty (France)"
  wangbe2 "azerty (Belgium)"
  wangbe "azerty (Belgium)"
  ANSI-dvorak "dvorak"
  dvorak-l "dvorak (Left single-handed)"
  dvorak "dvorak"
  dvorak-r "dvorak (Right single-handed)"
  no "dvorak (Norway)"
  tr_f-latin5 "fgGIod (Turkey)"
  trf "fgGIod (Turkey)"
  es "olpc (Spain)"
  pt "olpc (Portugal)"
  bashkir "qwerty (Bashkir)"
  bg_bds-cp1251 "qwerty (Bulgaria)"
  bg_bds-utf8 "qwerty (Bulgaria)"
  bg-cp1251 "qwerty (Bulgaria)"
  bg-cp855 "qwerty (Bulgaria)"
  bg_pho-cp1251 "qwerty (Bulgaria)"
  bg_pho-utf8 "qwerty (Bulgaria)"
  br-abnt2 "qwerty (Brazil)"
  br-abnt "qwerty (Brazil)"
  br-latin1-abnt2 "qwerty (Brazil)"
  br-latin1-us "qwerty (Brazil)"
  by-cp1251 "qwerty (Byelorussian)"
  by "qwerty (Byelorussian)"
  bywin-cp1251 "qwerty (Byelorussian)"
  cf "qwerty (French-Canadian)"
  cz-cp1250 "qwerty (Czech)"
  cz-lat2 "qwerty (Czech)"
  cz-lat2-prog "qwerty (Czech)"
  defkeymap "qwerty"
  defkeymap_V1.0 "qwerty"
  dk-latin1 "qwerty (Denmark)"
  dk "qwerty (Denmark)"
  emacs2 "qwerty"
  emacs "qwerty"
  es-cp850 "qwerty (Spain)"
  es "qwerty (Spain)"
  et "qwerty (Estonia)"
  et-nodeadkeys "qwerty (Estonia)"
  fi-latin1 "qwerty (Finland)"
  fi-latin9 "qwerty (Finland)"
  fi "qwerty (Finland)"
  gr "qwerty (Greece)"
  gr-pc "qwerty (Greece)"
  hu101 "qwerty (Hungary)"
  hypermap.m4 "qwerty"
  il-heb "qwerty (Israel)"
  il "qwerty (Israel)"
  il-phonetic "qwerty (Israel)"
  is-latin1 "qwerty (Iceland)"
  is-latin1-us "qwerty (Iceland)"
  it2 "qwerty (Italy)"
  it-ibm "qwerty (Italy)"
  it "qwerty (Italy)"
  jp106 "qwerty (Japan)"
  kazakh "qwerty (Kazakhstan)"
  kyrgyz "qwerty (Kyrgyzstan)"
  la-latin1 "qwerty (Latin America)"
  lt.baltic "qwerty (Lithuania)"
  lt.l4 "qwerty (Lithuania)"
  lt "qwerty (Lithuania)"
  mk0 "qwerty (Macedonia)"
  mk-cp1251 "qwerty (Macedonia)"
  mk "qwerty (Macedonia)"
  mk-utf "qwerty (Macedonia)"
  nl2 "qwerty (Netherlands)"
  nl "qwerty (Netherlands)"
  no-latin1.doc "qwerty (Norway)"
  no-latin1 "qwerty (Norway)"
  no "qwerty (Norway)"
  pc110 "qwerty (Japanese/English)"
  pl1 "qwerty (Poland)"
  pl2 "qwerty (Poland)"
  pl3 "qwerty (Poland)"
  pl4 "qwerty (Poland)"
  pl "qwerty (Poland)"
  pt-latin1 "qwerty (Portugal)"
  pt-latin9 "qwerty (Portugal)"
  ro "qwerty (Romania)"
  ro_std "qwerty (Romania)"
  ro_win "qwerty (Romania)"
  ru1 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ru2 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ru3 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ru4 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ru-cp1251 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ru "qwerty (Russia)"
  ru-ms "qwerty (Russia)"
  ruwin_alt-CP1251 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ruwin_alt-KOI8-R "qwerty (Russia)"
  ruwin_alt-UTF-8 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ruwin_cplk-CP1251 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ruwin_cplk-KOI8-R "qwerty (Russia)"
  ruwin_cplk-UTF-8 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ruwin_ctrl-CP1251 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ruwin_ctrl-KOI8-R "qwerty (Russia)"
  ruwin_ctrl-UTF-8 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ruwin_ct_sh-CP1251 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ruwin_ct_sh-KOI8-R "qwerty (Russia)"
  ruwin_ct_sh-UTF-8 "qwerty (Russia)"
  ru_win "qwerty (Russia)"
  ru-yawerty "qwerty (Russia)"
  se-fi-ir209 "qwerty (Sweden)"
  se-fi-lat6 "qwerty (Sweden)"
  se-ir209 "qwerty (Sweden)"
  se-lat6 "qwerty (Sweden)"
  sk-prog-qwerty "qwerty (Slovakia)"
  sk-qwerty "qwerty (Slovakia)"
  sr-cy "qwerty (Serbia)"
  sv-latin1 "qwerty (Sweden)"
  tralt "qwerty (Turkey)"
  trf "qwerty (Turkey)"
  tr_q-latin5 "qwerty (Turkey)"
  trq "qwerty (Turkey)"
  ttwin_alt-UTF-8 "qwerty (Tatar)"
  ttwin_cplk-UTF-8 "qwerty (Tatar)"
  ttwin_ctrl-UTF-8 "qwerty (Tatar)"
  ttwin_ct_sh-UTF-8 "qwerty (Tatar)"
  ua-cp1251 "qwerty (Ukraine)"
  ua "qwerty (Ukraine)"
  ua-utf "qwerty (Ukraine)"
  ua-utf-ws "qwerty (Ukraine)"
  ua-ws "qwerty (Ukraine)"
  uk "qwerty (UK)"
  us-acentos "qwerty (USA)"
  us "qwerty (USA)"
  croat "qwertz (Croatia)"
  cz "qwertz (Czech)"
  cz-us-qwertz "qwertz (Czech)"
  de_CH-latin1 "qwertz (Germany)"
  de-latin1 "qwertz (Germany)"
  de-latin1-nodeadkeys "qwertz (Germany)"
  de "qwertz (Germany)"
  fr_CH-latin1 "qwertz (France)"
  fr_CH "qwertz (France)"
  hu "qwertz (Hungary)"
  sg-latin1-lk450 "qwertz (Sango)"
  sg-latin1 "qwertz (Sango)"
  sg "qwertz (Sango)"
  sk-prog-qwertz "qwertz (Slovakia)"
  sk-qwertz "qwertz (Slovakia)"
  slovene "qwertz (Slovenia)"

[growler]

I installed onto a USB stick using the universal installer - all fine except PGs lovely new splash screen doesn't show up on the USB stick boot - not sure if it should or not.

I then installed it as a frugal on my MSI Wind netbook using the universal installer from the USB stick ... still no splash screen. Also, the wireless driver as compiled by tempestuous has been working well for some time in the full hd 4.1.2 on this machine. However, I notice it has not been included in 4.2 - maybe there are a bunch of tempestuous's drivers that need to come in. The rtl8187se driver

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 747#237747

With this driver in the Wind is fully functional with puppy straight from the box (exception being blue-tooth enabled versions - I understand some versions of the MSI Wind have different wireless adaptors though)

I notice some interesting behaviour with the widgets... they don't come up straightaway I need to click a few times on the desktop for them to come up. When I start conky up it starts up over the nice clock and is not moveable.

Some opinions on applications:

I know wbar is cool - but it adds nothing really since visible icons on the desktop seem just as functional. I think it would be introducing waste into puppy to put "fluff" like this in and the philosophy seems to be all about doing more with less. We have something very similar with the additional menu bar at the top anyway.

If firepup means we have to go to sylpheed email client then my vote is for sea-monkey - perhaps I am more used to it's mail client ... I prefer it - I tried to get used to sylpheed but just don't like it. I noticed BK's recent experiments with browsers on his blog came back to sea-monkey too.

Later versions of firefox appear to have gone backwards on the stability front - it would be a shame to tarnish puppy with buggy apps.

I prefer the earlier simpler orange icons that ttuuxx's later flat ones - sorry ttuuxx!

I think an image viewer should be the default application when someone clicks an image file in roxx - I'm with HairyWill - especially with gpicview or whatever the new one is.

The left click in Rox rocks!! Notice that the option to view with fotoxx is there but we don't have fotoxx - nor do we need it with gpicview.

[ttuuxxx]

I prefer the earlier simpler orange icons that ttuuxx's later flat ones - sorry ttuuxx!
.

hi growler
The icons I was working with is another set that comes with puppy but isn't used as default
the icons you like are the 'deepthought default' ones
the ones I was playing around with are 'flat orange' they are just extras and hope that they'll never be default I also don't like them, I was only working on them because its a unfinished, un-unified version that needs fixing, you can view them if you click menu/Desktop/Desktop icon switcher. click on Flat Orange
ttuuxxx

[WhoDo]

I installed onto a USB stick using the universal installer - all fine except PGs lovely new splash screen doesn't show up on the USB stick boot - not sure if it should or not.

Yes, it should. Fixed in Alpha2. My bad. I missed a simple step in adding the syslinux files that caused a problem.

Also, the wireless driver as compiled by tempestuous has been working well for some time in the full hd 4.1.2 on this machine. However, I notice it has not been included in 4.2 - maybe there are a bunch of tempestuous's drivers that need to come in. The rtl8187se driver

Yes. I will be trolling through tempestuous' extra drivers thread before launching the beta. I need the existing alpha additions to be a little more stable before adding the next layer of complexity.

I notice some interesting behaviour with the widgets... they don't come up straightaway I need to click a few times on the desktop for them to come up. When I start conky up it starts up over the nice clock and is not moveable.

Conky is already running (that's what the widgets are based on), so starting a second instance is not recommended. Use the Pwidgets configuration manager to add and remove options.

Clicking the desktop isn't bringing up the widgets. They're just slow to start on some machines, but they will start all by themselves. Trust me.

I know wbar is cool - but it adds nothing really since visible icons on the desktop seem just as functional. I think it would be introducing waste into puppy to put "fluff" like this in and the philosophy seems to be all about doing more with less. We have something very similar with the additional menu bar at the top anyway.

Second such objection registered. I probably won't add wbar in the default anyway. I'm running out of room under 100Mb.

If firepup means we have to go to sylpheed email client then my vote is for sea-monkey - perhaps I am more used to it's mail client ... I prefer it - I tried to get used to sylpheed but just don't like it. I noticed BK's recent experiments with browsers on his blog came back to sea-monkey too.

Alpha2 will have Firepup/Sylpheed for comparison with Alpha1. A decision will be made before we go to beta. Your vote is counted.

I prefer the earlier simpler orange icons that ttuuxx's later flat ones - sorry ttuuxx!

Aww... now you've done it! ttuuxxx was beavering away on about 10 different things for Puppy 4.2, and you've just caused him to be distracted by the icons thing!

I think an image viewer should be the default application when someone clicks an image file in roxx - I'm with HairyWill - especially with gpicview or whatever the new one is.

Agreed, especially since Hairywill's excellent Rox Right Clicks lets you have all the other options you need at a single click.

The left click in Rox rocks!! Notice that the option to view with fotoxx is there but we don't have fotoxx - nor do we need it with gpicview.

I think you mean right click, but I do agree. Will is updating to remove fotoxx from the configuration, I think.

[ttuuxxx]

Here's the updated flat Orange theme. I'll have to work on the Pfind icon later, due to the fact that I need to work on Icewm before Whodo makes his release. Not enough time.
ttuuxxx

[dejan555]

OK, here we go: When first booted 4.2 I forgot to type pfix=ram, so it found my pup_save.2fs on sdb4. Then this happened: after loading the pup_save file it said copying the pup_420.sfs to sdb4! and after that it copied it to ram. I looked at the root of sdb4 partition and there indeed it was. Another impressions: Love the "Connect throught GPRS modem" thing and pgprs-connect, I've managed to connect to my t-mobile web'n'walk modem, so please DO NOT REMOVE that feature! Like the new look, orange icons and "DeepThought" themes. I think u should not bother much about games, include couple of light ones. like Xmahjong and maybe some Solitaire like card game. Good thing for 2 wm's with very nice themes. That's for now.

[ttuuxxx]

Whodo

When I'm finished the icewm+ extras that you wanted, you'll have to use the fixed icons themes I worked out, all the menu's and taskbars work on each with Icewm, I haven't released the final icon pack yet, I'll just include them all in one icon package.
ttuuxxx

[01micko]

WhoDo

I have uploaded the current Pwidgets fixes on the Pwidgets thread. Sorry no weather font yet but that is not a bug, I'm sure we'll get that sorted before you are up to release candidate stage.

The fixes are for the clock appearance and the speed of loading the slideshow the second time round.

Cheers mate

Mick

major edit! Ok we had a serious bug. Forget it for now.Sorry! But ah well,what can you do? Carry on I guess.....

[panzerpuppy]

I spent the whole day on flat orange theme, lol I ended up making a few new icons, the original theme was 260kb now its 196kb, I made icons for, games, shutdown, folder The default folder wasn't flat, it was a orange crystal type, Pfind(the Pfind one for the taskbar still needs improvements, later-on) plus a few other tweaks. here's a look:) I'll release it tomorrow after I fix the Pfind icon on the taskbar
ttuuxxx

Does the 4.2 alpha include a white version of the skin and a color-inverted (Ubuntu/Windows lookalike) version of the same cursor scheme used in Puppy 4.x?

(dark themes and cursors look so depressing)

[ttuuxxx]

I spent the whole day on flat orange theme, lol I ended up making a few new icons, the original theme was 260kb now its 196kb, I made icons for, games, shutdown, folder The default folder wasn't flat, it was a orange crystal type, Pfind(the Pfind one for the taskbar still needs improvements, later-on) plus a few other tweaks. here's a look:) I'll release it tomorrow after I fix the Pfind icon on the taskbar
ttuuxxx

Does the 4.2 alpha include a white version of the skin and a color-inverted (Ubuntu/Windows lookalike) version of the same cursor scheme used in Puppy 4.x?

(dark themes and cursors look so depressing)

I'm building/adding/configuring lol the Icewm package, Since you mentioned that I found a Ubuntu theme for icewm, it was small so I added it to the package, so its white:)
ttuuxxx

[Kal]

Thanks, Who Do:

Investigating. This is an Icewm timing issue as previously discussed on the forum. Try adjusting the sleep xx parameters to avoid clashes.

Had already tried that a little, with only minor improvement. The fix for the crashes on this older 400mhz computer was in modifying to the "retro kernel 2.6.21.7". Still playing with the timing problem, it works most of the time now.

The kernel stopped the weird behavior with "Exit to Prompt" or any instability (intermittent) with shutdown items. I guess my test computer is just getting too old for the newest kernels.

Thanks again for all your work, Kal

[Pizzasgood]

I then installed it as a frugal on my MSI Wind netbook using the universal installer from the USB stick ... still no splash screen.

It shouldn't appear on Frugal installs. Those use Grub, not the syslinux family. However, WhoDo does have a Grub splash on the todo list. The one I set up should only appear when booting from CD and from USB. Also note: the actual image being used in the alpha wasn't created by me. I just set up the scripts so that using an image can be done more automatically, and provided a very basic and simple splash image that was replaced by a more attractive one (thankfully).



@ecomoney: I wouldn't mind thumbnails by default. But I think they were disabled for the slight speed gain. Or maybe it was because in older versions of Puppy, Rox would hang if you went into /proc with thumbnails enabled. I'm all for enabling them - the functionality is worth it.

I'm a fan of medium coarseness for icons. Fine and coarse are both too sloppy for my tastes.

OK, here we go: When first booted 4.2 I forgot to type pfix=ram, so it found my pup_save.2fs on sdb4. Then this happened: after loading the pup_save file it said copying the pup_420.sfs to sdb4!

Bad Puppy! BAD. I will look at that when I get some more free time. IMHO, pfix=ram should not change any data on the harddrive. Leave no trace should be the idea. Shouldn't be hard to fix. Simple if statement.

EDIT: First, I goofed up my quote and requoted the first one instead of what I was replying to. Second, I misread it and didn't see the word "forgot", so I though you meant Puppy did that even after using pfix=ram. Never mind then. Sorry Puppy. Good Puppy. Have a biscuit.

[PaulBx1]

Just a suggestion: put the seamonkey directory in /usr/local/lib rather than in /usr/lib. This will make upgrades easier, because the default location for their install scripts is /usr/local/lib.

Also, maybe in /root/.jwmrc, the browser entry should point at "mozstart" rather than the link "mozilla", just to make it consistent with the other mozilla apps?

Disclaimer: I don't have 4.2 yet, so maybe this has been done already. I just wanted to put it here before I forget it because I have been wrestling with a seamonkey upgrade in 4.1.2.

Of course we also had the question of whether seamonkey should go in an sfs file, as we mentioned in that other thread.

[ecomoney]

I'm building/adding/configuring lol the Icewm package, Since you mentioned that I found a Ubuntu theme for icewm, it was small so I added it to the package, so its white:)
ttuuxxx

Ttuxxx, Im going to plead with you now.....please include this theme in your icewm package. Ive seen a great many first reactions to linux, and this theme is the one that puts "linux newbs" at ease the most.

Im going to give you a small clue what it is before you download.



http://ecomoney.eu/puppy/themes/WinXP-Blue.zip

Now where did I put that asbestos flying suit.....

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[rarsa]

This is not a bug but an observation:

Although the colours of the JWM and GTK themes are really nice, they lack contrast which make them difficult to read under certain light conditions.

[WhoDo]

This is not a bug but an observation:

Although the colours of the JWM and GTK themes are really nice, they lack contrast which make them difficult to read under certain light conditions.

Interesting, rarsa. Can you post a screenshot of the particular contrast problem you have noticed? It may already be fixed in Alpha2, or this may be the first time anyone has brought the issue up. Either way, I'd like to know where the problem actually sits.

Cheers,

[WhoDo]

I thought the Alpha2 of Deepthought was almost ready. Then I added a couple of last minute updates/fixes into the mix and *poof* - xdg menu icons gone!

Here is a screenshot to show the consequences. It only shows up after creating the pup_save file and rebooting. So long as the install remains pristine AND you don't swap Desktop Icon Themes, all is well.

Somehow I also manage to "break" Bareview, so we don't get the light netsurf browser opening when you click on the yaf-splash message at the top of the screen. Running bareview in a console gives a segmentation fault.

BTW, in case you hadn't noticed ... it's snowin' in Valamoen! Poor Sigmund may not be back until the thaw!

[WhoDo]

Just a suggestion: put the seamonkey directory in /usr/local/lib rather than in /usr/lib. This will make upgrades easier, because the default location for their install scripts is /usr/local/lib.

Paul, Puppy-4.2a2 will have Firepup/Sylpheed for comparison with Alpha1, so your suggestion should be held over until Alpha3 or even Beta1.

So it doesn't get lost in the noise, can you add it as a comment to the Developer's ToDo List on the wiki, please? That will guarantee it gets looked at more than once before the next update.

Cheers