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I tried the K-Office .sfs this morning, hoping I could substitute it for the ponderous OO. It was a big disappointment. It can't seem to handle .ppt presentations or .ods spreadsheets.

davec51 wrote:I tried the K-Office .sfs this morning, hoping I could substitute it for the ponderous OO. It was a big disappointment. It can't seem to handle .ppt presentations or .ods spreadsheets.

I'm not running Koffice at the moment but KPresenter needs a .ppt filter to open that format. probably the same with .ods
Lets not forget that this is just a start./alpha or early beta, A very good one If I get a bit of time I'll try to work it out, Maybe somebody else could search and make a addon package to extend Koffice format, Like we do with abiword. etc
ttuuxxx

@davec51, thanks dave, i am sorry for the disappointment.

PPT. Here is the situation as described in the KOffice online documentation:

Powerpoint Files. KPresenter does attempt to import Microsoft® Powerpoint files but it does not always work perfectly. It depends on the Powerpoint file version and what is in the file. You can always import pictures for the background image and re-type any text. It's not the ideal solution, re-doing the entire presentation. However, just bear in mind that Powerpoint does not even attempt to read KPresenter files.

ODS. K-Office is supposed to open and save OpenDocument Spreadsheet files. I created a very simple one with OpenOffice 2.4 and then imported it into KSpread. It seems to me that there is nothing we can do here either except file a bug report if KSpread does not open a more complex ods sheet. However, the developers are not even sure if there will ever be another version after 1.6.3--all of their time is going into KOffice2.

The online documentation for KOffice is located at

http://www.koffice.org

There seems to be a problem with loading/mounting the sfs.
Do you have and md5 hash for the download?

I want to experiment with other puppy versions and friend couldn't load it in dingo either.
What version of squashfs is used?

regards

mike

ae3fb1478cf7c7f34ebc3fa566e1fde9 K-Office_400.sfs

http://www.diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy400/k ... 00.md5.txt

Those are the md5 sum. I just downloaded and compared and its the same up and down for me.

Is this your procedure to mount?

1. Download the K-Office_400.sfs to /mnt/home (or move it there)
2. If using 4.06, rename K-Office_400.sfs to K-Office_406.sfs
3. Go to Menu: System: Bootmanager configure bootup
4. Click on Choose which extra SFS files to load at bootup
5. Select K-Office_400 (or 406) and Add it to the right side
6. Make sure to untick Ignore above user selection....and then click OK
7. Reboot Puppy
8. Check Menu under Document (also check /usr/share/applications/kde in case something might go wrong with the menu)

This is about all I know about mounting an sfs file. It will mount of course by just clicking it, but it will not run that way. This version will not run with 3.01, but should run with 4.00 and 4.06. I am sure there are things that would prevent its running correctly; I tested with default 4.00 and 4.06 so maybe create a new default installation???

I used sunburnt's progam here to make the sfs
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 84&t=30760

Ok thanks for the quick reply and info.

I checked and the md5 says my download is good so it must be a squashfs issue as it will not click and mount. Diefferent squashfs versions are not backward compatible.
Do you know which kernel you are using....2.1.21 or 2.6.25?

regards

mike


ps thanks for working on this project.

in 4.06 it is 2.6.25.15

I made the sfs in 4.00 which is 2.6.21.7

the same sfs works in both

you are using 4.00 or 4.06?

playdayz wrote:6. Make sure to untick Ignore above user selection....and then click OK

I have a problem with this point.
If the box is unticked, it doesn't load any sfs for me with _400, _406 in the name. I have to delete the _4xx part or rename it to _v4xx

As I understand Bootmanager, if the box Ignore above user selection... is checked then Puppy will automatically load any sfs file that is in /mnt/home that has the same number as your version of Puppy. For instance, if the box is checked and there is a file named K-Office_400.sfs in /mnt/home then your Puppy 4.00 will automatically load it--but if you are using Puppy 4.06 then it will *not* automatically load it (hence the renaming). I think I have seen this misfire, which is why I suggest unchecking the box and Adding the properly named sfs file to the Right side, clicking OK and rebooting. However, it should also work to check the ox if the K-Office sfs is located in /mnt/home and the number matches your Puppy version.

I have checked this with default versions of Puppy 4.00 and 4.06 on frugal installs and Live-CD installs. As I understand it, there is a problem with using sfs files in a full install--not exactly a problem, it is just not meant to work in this way.

To help me check this out, if there is a problem could you please do the following checklist?

Puppy Version? 4.00 or 4.06 - only

Install method: frugal or Live-CD - only (USB should work but not tested - Full *should not* work)

K-Office_400.sfs or K-Office 4.06.sfs - must match Puppy version and be located in /mnt/home

Bootmanager shows K_Offifce_400.sfs or K-Office_406 in Right side

check /usr/share/applications/kde/ after reboot

Thanks for your troubleshooting

Ok quick update...i managed to unpack with latest unsquashfs from debian then repack with older mksquashfs...now mounts ok..seems 3.3 incompatible with 3.1 .

regards

mike

Quick update no2.......I can run kword in puppy 2.12 using the remade sfs.....all seems to work...open files/compose/print.....complains about desktop/mime type files in console but I don't think 2.12 uses them.


excellent

regards

mike

So I could finally start to test KOffice and begun with a spreadsheet created in OOo. (ods)
Quite some sheets are present.
So I opened the Kspread and selected open.
After a while Kspead just vanished from memory.
The spreadsheet isn't that big, just 246KB.

I tried another then, much smaller.
It loaded, but as there are vlookup functions in there, I can't work with it in Kspread.

I tried a odt document.
That one loaded. It wasn't very big and just some text and scanned pictures.
Another one had a problem with the footer being on 2 lines instead of one.
Another was a two column table with overflow on several pages.
I only got the first few lines in the table cells.

Word documents .doc aren't accepted.

Slideshow .ptt aren't accepted.

There was no help. No wonder that the sfs file is smaller then the OOo's one. When comparisons are to made, it should be done with the same contents.

So not a comfortable start.
Probably when one starts with the Koffice environment, one can do the work which is needed to be done, but as with the Microsoft Office suite, one is trapped in the proprietary environment.
Koffice doesn't seem to support the odx formats fully. (yet?)

According to the K-Office developers I talked to many of the K-Office messages are not critical, more in the line of information for the developers. I'm sure it would be great to get rid of them all, but my experience of KDE is that all of the apps pepper the screen with messages. That used to really bug me--it's what made me start looking at leaner, tighter programs and end up with puppy!

Ok further info

On puppy 2.12 i updated libart_lgpl_2 and libstdc++.so.6.

Every application now launches. I've only tested kword in detail so far but I suspect I will get the same functionality as others are having on puppy 3 and 4.

So apart from the above and using an older version of mksquashfs this package is useable on older puppies. ..will test on 2.02 later.

Ooo one question....is it possible to do a little theming...the base color is full white and would be nice to tone it down a bit. I guess there is no theming in the package as such as its not meant to be a full kde setup.

Another observation is that what does function seems stable and runs at a fair speed...eg kword performs as well as say abiword.

regards

mike

ok interesting spin off from this project.
I downloaded (debian) ktorrent as a test and it ran happily (on 2.12) using this packages kde elements...so possibility of further kde apps without the full kde desktop.


mike

mikeb wrote:ok interesting spin off from this project.
I downloaded (debian) ktorrent as a test and it ran happily (on 2.12) using this packages kde elements...so possibility of further kde apps without the full kde desktop.


mike

Hi mike

Sure you can use just about any KDE application as long as you have the missing libs, I've been doing it for a few months now
If you look at my thread here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... &start=105
You'll see that I made my own base, its 23MB and I can run Bibletime, Kword, KCPUload, Kdock, and a few others on it
If you wanted to try Kcpuload here's a pet package
to run it open a command line and type kcpuload
it automatically docks on Jwm & Icewm
and has a nice right click menu with options on the taskbar.
ttuuxxx

Cheers for the info ttuuxxx.

Koffice package includes qt 3.3.8 too...so for anything that requires it eg vbox this is another space saver

regards

mike

Ok dumb non kde expert question here.....

What is needed in addition to this package to have the kde desktop as well...looking at the contents list of the kde357.sfs posted a while ago it seems like nearly everything is there and since this package is behaving very well my curiosity and appetite have been stimulated

regards

mike