TigerPup

[Cur Dog]

I just loaded TigerPup as a frugal install. Great Job!!!! This is the first time I have used a puplet with compiz fusion and I am liking what I am seeing. I am having a problem with getting the gtbasic analog clock to work. All of the demos seem to work with the exception of the clock. All that shows up on the desktop is a white circle. I am just curious to see if anyone else has tried this, or has this working with TigerPup.


Thanks,

Cur Dog

[nic2109]

Could possibly be your system, what are your specs?

Basic spec of machine as per signature footer - but if you need more detail then please ask.

Re the quit launcher, there is the skull and cross bones icon on the top panel bar, "xkill", listed as "kiss of death".

Ah; what I meant was a "Shut-down or Re-boot" kind of Quit - like at the foot of the main system menu.

More Feedback

1) I've tried the Splash version too. but it doesn't even sprinkle let alone splash! The only difference for me was that the first progress message was something like 'Loading splash' (sorry I have forgotten the exact words, but I'm sure that you know them). It then went on to "load drivers to access the disks" and so on.

Is there anything to do to activate Pebble?

2) Changing the desktop background kills (or hides, or masks) the wbar.

[dinky]

Hi Cur Dog, glad you like it! I've not been able to get that clock to work either, it may have something to do with Compiz-Fusion. Try asking over at tombh's ofrum pages for wNOP, the origianl creator of a pupplet with Compiz-Fusion, that TigerPup is based on. I would love to get that wokring also.

wNOP: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=24871

@Nick

Wbar needs to be restarted when you change desktop background, or when you change the config file. Simply right click on it. One more thing to add to the docs...lol.

Re the quit on the launcher, I'd put this on the menu bar at the top of the page. Simply right click on it, "add New Item", then select "Action Buttons". You can choose what you want from there. I'm unlikely to put it in wbar, as version 1.4 already needs to have some icons cut down from it.

Re Pebble, that's odd. I've had no problems so far with the live cd from my site... how are you running it? Are you booting from the live cd, or are you trying a frugal install? With frugal you need to add some extra options to the boot script, but the live cd should boot right up. That might be a hardware problem, which in other words means I've got no idea. Try pizzagood's pebble forum, he created and is maintaining it. Thanks for all your feedback and bugfixing!

Pebble: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26339

[MU]

I am having a problem with getting the gtbasic analog clock to work. All that shows up on the desktop is a white circle.

Solved.
Had to increase the windowsize one pixel wider than the image.
Also had to replace the eventbox with a singleclick-eventbox of GtkBasic, as libglade does not pass through GDK_BUTTON_PRESS in Xfce/Compiz (a problem with other windowmanagers, too). The single-click eventbox uses an own eventhandling I had added myself to the interpreter some weeks ago.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 544#159544

Oh, and Tigerpup is really neat
Good look, easy to set up.
Very nice, I think it gets time to create a compiz.sfs for Muppy next month.
Thanks to Tomb and dinky for working so hard on this

Mark

[dinky]

Great MU! Clock looks good, and thanks for the feedback. 2 queries:

After clock dotpup was installed, right clicking on the clock brings up the name for it as "nothing". I closed it, then opened up gtk-003 from the menu. There is a listing for the 'analog-clock', but the same problem as before... is this intended, and do I need to launch the analog clock from somewhere else? Thanks.

~dinky

[MU]

it should be as "analogclock" in the "Utilities" menu.
I'm in Muppy again, so not sure, if Tigerpup has the same categories.
/usr/share/applications/GtkBasic-Analogclock.desktop
uses this entry:
Categories=Utility;Clock

Could you explain, where exactly you got "nothing"?

The clock in the GtkBasic-Demos still is old code, it should not be used.
Mark

[Cur Dog]

Thanks for the guidance MU. It is working ok now.

Again, thanks for the puplet dinky.

Cur Dog

[MU]

After clock dotpup was installed, right clicking on the clock brings up the name for it as "nothing".

Please download the dotpup again, I added /root/.GtkBasic-Analogclock/windowposition.txt

Maybe it was missing that.
It stores the clocks position.

I think that Cur Dog already downloaded the updated dotpup.
Mark

[Lobster]

@ Lobster:
There are only so many hours I can steal away from my wife and family in front of this screen...lol.

I suppose . . .

OK I am now back at home and able to test and play with this.
I downloaded the pizzasgood startup screen version
All loaded and worked and setup OK

A tiger that roars might be better than one that barks . . .
Might I suggest a crazy option? I have a version of tmxxine that yodels on startup. A yodeling tiger of course makes perfect sense.
Basically all I did was rename yodel.wav to 2barks.wav
and replace the file here
/root/puppy-reference/2barks.wav
No code needed . . .
I can send you the yodel if you want . . .


I like Tigerpup. A lot. I like the 'wobble fairy' and 'kiss of death' names. It is just fun.

If not familair you find these by clicking on the tiny blue line on the top of the screen to get another taksbar
The launchbar on the base works well.

I also liked being able to install xaraLx with MU's PSI installer (using the XARA GTK and XaraLX pups/pets (two pets needed) and I would be aware when moving towards Puppy 4 you need support for major .pets - for ease of use some installing of extras does become important very quickly . . .
something like this might be useful:
http://tmxxine.com/wik/wikka.php?wakka= ... xxineLight

Well done.

[dinky]

@ Lobster

Thanks for the great feedback! Have been woirking on TigerPup tonight, and roaring on startup has definitely been one of my main points to get working. I'm taking it a step further though, as I want TigerPup to roar on EVERY startup. 2 reasons for this.
1. because it's fun
2. to test alsa, and sound, on each bootup.

This last I feel is important, and has been asked about before in the forums. DOn't have the exact line, but found it in the forums not long ago, basically an add-on to /root/.xinitrc
Thanks for the offer of a yodelling tiger, but I've had my ears set on roaring for awhile now. Maybe next release?

Will definitely be porting this to Puppy 4, but will wait until Compiz-Fusion support is up and running. Also until I figure out what I'm doing building from unleashed. Re package support, I think I follow you. Unsure what txxine is about thought. Followed the link, but... is it a project for graphic interfaces, is it another installer? I'm interested, but not quite following that.

I will be creating a space on my website with lots of addons to go with TigerPup, mainly Pet packages and sfs files. While TigerPup is my main desktop, it doesn't meet all my needs by itself, so I have installed lots of 'extra; software. I'll have sfs files for various office programs, and whatever else seems appropriate. Also keen to create something for Mupen64, a great N64 emulator I've been playing around with of late.

Thanks for your support Lobster!
~dinky

[Lobster]

@ Lobster

Will definitely be porting this to Puppy 4, but will wait until Compiz-Fusion support is up and running. Also until I figure out what I'm doing building from unleashed. Re package support, I think I follow you. Unsure what txxine is about thought. Followed the link, but... is it a project for graphic interfaces, is it another installer? I'm interested, but not quite following that.

Thanks for your support Lobster!
~dinky

A roaring tiger sounds great . . . (unless you are lunch)

OK the tmxxine Light program is basically links to sfs and Pets
- these pages in fact which are mostly compiled for Puppy 4
http://tmxxine.com/wik/wikka.php?wakka=DingoAddons
The idea being that people now learn to tinker and tweak their own choice of addons . . .
So the latest tmxxine = Dingo + choice of software, backgrounds etc

I like very much what you have with Puppy 3.01 + compiz
I suggest you call the next version TigerPup 4 - if it is based on Puppy 4 or TigerPup 4.1 - this makes things simpler (usually)
I also would like to see a tiger splash screen and I do not know if a percentage loaded bar is possible (maybe Jeremy (pizzasgood) is working on that?)

Good luck Dinky

[nic2109]

@Nick

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Re Pebble, that's odd. I've had no problems so far with the live cd from my site... how are you running it? Are you booting from the live cd, or are you trying a frugal install? With frugal you need to add some extra options to the boot script, but the live cd should boot right up. That might be a hardware problem, which in other words means I've got no idea. Try pizzagood's pebble forum, he created and is maintaining it.

Pebble: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=26339

I'm using TigerPup from a short-cut frugal install. I mounted the .iso and copied the 4 relevant files into a folder and set up menu.lst accordingly. So I need to look up what to do.

Thanks for all your feedback and bugfixing!

You exaggerate my contributions - so far they have been limited to sharing my ignorance!

And just to prove it ..... how should I mount an .iso file in TigerPup? The right-click mouse option 'Open with Mount' does nothing and I don't know what 'Other Application' to try.

[CatDude]

@ nic2109

I'm using TigerPup from a short-cut frugal install. I mounted the .iso and copied the 4 relevant files into a folder and set up menu.lst accordingly. So I need to look up what to do.

If you are trying the splash version,
try adding vga=??? to the kernel line of your grub entry.

Here's mine

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# Linux bootable partition config begins
  title TigerPup-1.3splash (Frugal) at hda11
  hide (hd0,5)
  hide (hd0,6)
  hide (hd0,7)
  hide (hd0,8)
  hide (hd0,9)
  hide (hd0,11)
  hide (hd1,0)
  unhide (hd0,10)
  rootnoverify (hd0,10)
  kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 PMEDIA=idehd acpi=force vga=785
  initrd /initrd.gz
# Linux bootable partition config ends

Choose one of these:

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VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64k
vga=791
VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x32k
vga=790
VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256
vga=773
VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x64k
vga=788
VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x32k
vga=787
VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x256
vga=771
VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x64k
vga=785
VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x32k
vga=784
VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x256
vga=769

Hope that helps

CatDude
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[dinky]

Thanks catdue, vga=785 is what TigerPup was originally configured with, though I'm sure other options would work fine as well. Nick, that should fix your problems, let me know how you go. And ignorance IS bugfixing! At least the first step. I'm hoping TigerPup will turn into something easy for anyone to use, which means I need to know about all the current holes. Basically, if you have to ask it, it needs to be in the documentation, which doesn't actually exist at the moment...lol. I might look into setting up a wiki specific for TigerPup, so all these questions can be recorded for future use...

Re mounting an iso file, there are a couple ways. The easiest is to right click on it, and click 'filemount'. This should mount it automatically. To unmount it, do the same thing. From the command line, type "mount path-to-file /mnt/data" This will mount it at /mnt/data, however you can put it anywhere. I'm not sure how it unmount it like this though, and for some reason mounting Puppy 4 only works from the commandline. Good lick.

[nic2109]

Thanks catdue, vga=785 is what TigerPup was originally configured with, though I'm sure other options would work fine as well. Nick, that should fix your problems, let me know how you go.

I got on fine 'cos the vga=nnn option worked thanks.

But what it gave me wasn't quite what I expected - could be more ignorance on display here. It showed a nice blue graphic for a while which then cleared showing the progress messages so far on the usual black background, and then came the tiger and then the desktop. I was rather expecting the progress messages to show while the splash screen was displayed - in a window perhaps.

Was this excessive optimism, or should I have seen them and it's a bug?

Re mounting an iso file, there are a couple ways. The easiest is to right click on it, and click 'filemount'.

Thanks, but that's what I did try but didn't work. I'm pretty confident that this IS a bug.

[dinky]

HI Nick, perhaps excessive optimism? Lol...

Pebble works currently by hiding all the bootup text, then ending to display it very briefly before going into the graphical boot sequence (that's the tiger, etc.). Currently therre is also no way to kill it once it starts. While a huge step, it is still very basic.

Re the image that shows, there should be a blue background, but it should have a cool paw print logo, and say 'Booting Puppy Linux'. Did you get this? If it's not working properly, I'd suggest two options.
1. Disabling it. Append your grub line to: pfix=nosplash vga=normal
2. find something better, then let me know what it is!

Re mounting the iso, have you tried from the command line? Also, right click, open with "open with other application", and type in "filemnt". Does this change? Otherwise try the command line. I agree it sounds like a bug, however in the rebuild I'm making, it's working fine. Still in beta, but I might post it up soon, as it's working better than 1.3. Cheers.

[dinky]

Just posted up a test version of 1.4, see then first page for a list of updated features. This is still in beta, with lots of bugs I'm still fixing, however it's replaced my default desktop. Lots of new features added, though the size has increased to 199Mb. This will shrink when I rebuild from unleashed, though I want the remastered version stable first. Would love some testers to give me feedback!
Two questions:

1. Am wanting to change the number version, currently it seems too confusing. Lobster recommended using numbers 3 and 4 for puppy 3.01 and Puppy 4 releases. My thoughts are this: when the remaster of wNOP version is finished, to call that TigerPup version 2. Everything until then is still in beta. When I finish first rebuild from unleashed under Puppy 3.01, that will be TigerPup 3, and next rebuild under Puppy 4 will be TigerPup 4. Is this a better idea?

2. The documentation is going to take ages if I'm doing it myself. I'd like this to be an integral part of TigerPup, so someone who knows nothing about Puppy, Linux, or computers will find it easy and fun to use. Would anyone like to help make them? I'd like to create a PDF file with weblinks that can be opened up, that will tell newbies how they can use TigerPup, and send them to links on the internet (once walking through how to set up internet connection). I'd like to include a features list, how to use them, etc. This will include wbar, navigation with thunar, the works. Is anyone interested in starting/helping with this project? My hope is that eventually there will be enough information it will become relevant to other pupplets as well. Cheers!

[Meshica7]

Hello Dinky!

I am running TigerPup from a usb stick and love it! I re-installed Wbar in order to get it to show instead of having it hide below the bottom of the screen.My question is what is the path to My-Documents? I want to add an icon in Wbar that will do the same as the Gnome icon does in the original TigerPup Wbar.

Also,does anyone know where Thunderbird resides? I did "Which Thunderbird" in the terminal but get no return.Tried "Mozilla Thunderbird" as well. I am wanting to add an icon in wbar for this.

Thanx heaps and keep up the great work!

[dinky]

Hi Meshica, glad you like it. My Documents is in /root/my-documents/
Can you post a screenshot of you rdesktop for us? At some point I'll probably make a pet package for people who prefer a wbar not hidden.

Thunderbird isn't installed by default in TigerPup, you wil have to find it. Have you tried looking in the Petget manager, or in the Puppy Software Installer? Cheers.
~dinky

[Koder]

Hi. Tiger is Fantastic!
You are right on with your Puppy Compiz Distro, as I believe that Compiz and other similar innovative projects are a very good way to present and achieve a more lasting user involvement. Really nice to have PSI and I installed Gslapt, which does great. Posting here with Live Multi-session CD and latest Firefox. Listening to Paradise Radio with Streamtuner....really great! Will be installing more Multimedia and Internet Apps and I expect more good results. You mentioned uploading a new Beta, but all i see for now is just Test folder, but I'll definitely try a.s.a.p.
I appreciate what you do, but don't forget to get some sleep sometime.