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@MU,

I'm running Muppy-Mini-008.3 off a flash drive and got into a situation I've never seen before while trying to reproduce a problem with hotpup startup. Something weird happened on one boot and now it keeps adding an icon for "home" at every start of X. I've attached a screenshot showing how far this can go. N.B.: there is exactly one USB flash drive, running in superfloppy mode without partitions, and no hard drive at all in this laptop.

I was trying to find examples of the pileup of icons in the upper left corner. So, I was rebooting repeatedly. I'll shutdown after I post this and report what I find afterward.

Added: problem still there after reboot. Drive icons now extend far enough to run out of space with some on top of DVD icon. Checked /etc/mtab and /mnt, but these were O.K.

Thank you for Muppy 008.3
It runs fine on my notebooks, but there is one issue:

On every shutdown or reboot there is a

"Journal commit I/O Error"

shown immediately after "Sie können den Computer jetzt ausschalten."

MU wrote: USB-printers: can someone confirm problems with other models, too?
With what version does yours work?
Do you have a link handy for the Cups, that you installed?
It might help tofind out, how I could enhance the included one, or we could just recommend it for persons with the same problem.

I installed cups-install-0.3.pup to give me USB and the HP Laserjet4 Plus.

MU wrote: UPDATES - KNOWN BUGS:

I am using a LIVE-CD....the version is great....but when I attempt to remaster it, none of the scripts, bookmarks, documents that I have in root are saved.

Per the remaster script, after /tmp/root is created, I copy all the items I want that the script did not save into /tmp/root I check and they are really there....but when the iso is created, it does not contain any of the the item I wanted saved.

Can anyone tell me that I am not doing correctly, or suggest a different method?

Additionally, under 008.2 I could create the iso on my C drive(ntfs)...but under 008.3, the drive shows up as read only? Is there a work around or must I specifiy a thumb drive or other fat32 device?

Thanks

@MU: While MiniMuppy 008.3 worked fine in one of my laptops, the other one would not work with wireless. The router is only WEP, still it is not connecting. My wireless uses RT2500 module and works perfectly with 2.17.1. All the Puppy 3 series wireless support for this laptop has been intermittent. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. Puppy 3.98 worked with Pwireless and after I created a profile, it started automatically working on every reboot.

Another stunning release Mark, well done.

@MU,

In comparing the installations of Muppy 008.3 which do or do not show the multiple mount points in the screenshot posted above, I came across an assumption in the remove_icons_for_mounted_devices script in /etc/hotpup. It assumes icons for mount points are associated with partitions. The USB flash drive I'm using only boots on one machine when set up in superfloppy mode, without partitions, and those icons corresponding to it are never removed.

Added: I've been checking other puplets. The bug does show up when HotPup is enabled and a USB drive set up in superfloppy mode is mounted.

Thanks for the embryo
Only "problem" I have, (german version of embryo) that there seems to be no opera installed. "defaultbrowser" cannot find it.
Now I've installed firefox instead, just wondering what is wrong with it

Hello; I am trying the mini version of Muppy 8.3.

The BBC News website says that the version of Flash used means that their video content cannot be viewed - see screenshot (right in the middle of the image, beneath the picture) where it says 'Cannot play media.'.

Which version of Flash comes with Muppy 8.3, and how should we upgrade it if this is possible?

Nic:
Opera is using Flash 7.
As far as I know, Flash 9 is not supported yet by Opera.
If anybody knows, how to use Flash 9 with it, please let me know.

Broadway:

Is your msy_save.2fs located on a NTFS-drive? (from Windows).
At weekend, I installed it on a friends computer on a NTFS-drive (Windows XP).
I got the same message, but it seemed to work nevertheless.
I will create a NTFS-drive on my own computer to validate that.

Prehistoric (HotPup)
Concerning those "ghost"-icons:
I did not encounter that yet, but I just saw, that Puppy 4 has the same issue.
I hope this soon can be fixed.

Tichost

Additionally, under 008.2 I could create the iso on my C drive(ntfs)...but under 008.3, the drive shows up as read only? Is there a work around or must I specifiy a thumb drive or other fat32 device?

Please look here for a solution:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 4&start=30
I will try to fix this for 0083b.

I am using a LIVE-CD....the version is great....but when I attempt to remaster it, none of the scripts, bookmarks, documents that I have in root are saved.

Per the remaster script, after /tmp/root is created, I copy all the items I want that the script did not save into /tmp/root I check and they are really there....but when the iso is created, it does not contain any of the the item I wanted saved.

Can anyone tell me that I am not doing correctly, or suggest a different method?

unsolved.
I currently use the build-system mentioned in the first message to create new Muppys.
I did not try the remaster yet.
Will have a look.


Prit1

@MU: While MiniMuppy 008.3 worked fine in one of my laptops, the other one would not work with wireless. The router is only WEP, still it is not connecting. My wireless uses RT2500 module and works perfectly with 2.17.1. All the Puppy 3 series wireless support for this laptop has been intermittent. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. Puppy 3.98 worked with Pwireless and after I created a profile, it started automatically working on every reboot.

So we have to upgrade this for 008.4 using code of Puppy 4.
It will be too complex, to add this as bugfix only.
The rt2500 is known to be very problematic.


Mark

nice2k wrote:Thanks for the embryo
Only "problem" I have, (german version of embryo) that there seems to be no opera installed. "defaultbrowser" cannot find it.
Now I've installed firefox instead, just wondering what is wrong with it

Yes, I must update the website.
Opera is included only in Server, not in Embryo, to keep Embryo small.
You can download/extract the build-system for Embryo/Server (see first message).
Then copy all you need from /sfs-sources/packes-server/ to /sfs-sources/packages-base/
These 2 folders:
/Opera
/QT

Then create a new embryo by running
./build-embryo
./build-iso

Mark

MU wrote: Broadway:

Is your msy_save.2fs located on a NTFS-drive? (from Windows).
At weekend, I installed it on a friends computer on a NTFS-drive (Windows XP).
I got the same message, but it seemed to work nevertheless.
I will create a NTFS-drive on my own computer to validate that.

Yes it is on a NTFS-drive.

MU wrote: I currently use the build-system mentioned in the first message to create new Muppys.
I did not try the remaster yet.
Will have a look.

Thanks so much...since all I run/have is Live-CDs of Puppy, I don;t think I could use the build system.

Looking forward to being able to remaster this version....it's really very nice.

Thom

MU wrote:Opera is using Flash 7. As far as I know, Flash 9 is not supported yet by Opera.

That's pretty clear then!

MU wrote: If anybody knows, how to use Flash 9 with it, please let me know.

Let's hope that someone does know. Meanwhile; I'll give Firefox a try.

Thanks.

Later Additions Firefox from ttuuxxx's .pet is fine (as is SeaMonkey in Dingo by the way), so this news junkie can still get continuous fixes.

Two very minor "funnies" are also worth reporting.

1) The bottom of the ICE Dock is hidden by the lower bar unless you hide the upper bar when it jumps up by the width of the hidden bar.

2) The "Start" button on the upper bar behaves oddly. The first click is fine and behaves as expected; the second repeats the option selected first time; the next is OK; the next repeats the previous selection; and so on.

HotPup:

Can someone, who has the problem, that the HotPup icons (your drives) are not arranged correctly, please attach the file:
/root/Choices/ROX-Filer/PuppyPin

So when these icons are all "arranged" in the top left corner.

I am not able to reproduce the problem, maybe I find a hint in that file.
Please also tell me, what screen-resolution you use.

Thanks, Mark

Sorry - I am not able to make the test.

At the beginning I can only start with a low resolution of 1280 * 800.
Icons were placed correctly.

After switching to nvidia driver muppy startet automatic in the native monitor resolution of 1920*1080.

But then the shit hit the fan:
- sometimes the mouse disappears
- the drive icons were placed in the upper left corner
- after some minutes muppy stopps all activities, only HW Reset helps

And in general: Desktop of 083 is realy overloaded. I think on the left and right side of the window is still some place for another status-, quickstart- or info bar. I am really confused.

Dont understand me wrong: I like the ensemble of programms You have integrated and of course I appreciat really Your efforts in providing us with a german version. But I am only a little bit disapointed because some days before Your launch of 083 I tried the first time Your 082 Version and was really surprised about this wonderful puppy derivat!.

Back to my awful computer Hardware:
NVIDIA 6150 chipset with onboard grafic
Puppy 4.0 (21.7) with NVIDEA driver
NVIDIA-100.14.19-k2.6.21.7.pet
is running very well in FullHD!

Sorry I cannot answer your question either, Mark, but I've had overlapping icons top left, too. Old nV GeF2 which I use for testing. The nV driver doesn't seem to work properly, but I think I saw it with XVESA, too. It can also happen with FULL installation - new positions of moved icons aren't saved upon subsequent boots. Can't systematise situation at present as working on too many projects. This was just to confirm it is a real effect.
Have also experienced liveCD crash using 1Gb mem and lots of Firefox tabs open, and FULL install crashes with (probably unavailable?) GXine TV stations and some xmms/streamtuner radio stations. Also getting double reception of BBCWorldService in GXine this evening.
Nevertheless, this is a mindblowing distro; sliced bread doesn't come any better (not sure whether that translates?!).

Here is an Update from version 0083 to 0083b.
It is for MINI and STANDARD.
Install it ONLY, if you downloaded the first release of 0083.
The current Isos do NOT need this upgrade any more.
ftp://ks301128.kimsufi.com/Muppy0083/Up ... andard.pup
Size is 840 kb.
After installation, it would be recommended, to reboot.

It should fix:
- uses updated ntfs-3g driver, that shall fix bugs with NTFS-drives.
I also had to replace "/bin/mount" with a modified version from Dingo because of that.

- Rox now is closed on reboot, so that new icons that you add should be saved.

- HotPup :
- The settings utility now works
- NTFS-drives are mounted read/write
- I also modified the way, that HotPup determines the Screen-size.
Maybe that fixes the issue, that on some computers the icons were not arranged.
As I could not reproduce that issue, this is a guess only.
- duplicate home-icons should no longer appear.


- Minisys upgraded, fixed bugs in Calendar
- Samba shares now should work.

- epdfview and gxine in Mini: added missing libs.

- pburn: upgraded to 1.5.2, added missing language-files.
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Other issues:
Remaster bugs:
I could not reproduce, that files copied to /tmp/root are not added to the remastered iso.
I ran Muppy mini as frugal installation, without a save-file.
All files were added correctly.
The issue with NTFS-drives readonly should be fixed now.

NTFS-drives and save-file:
I still get error-messages at shutdown, like "Journal commit I/O Error" .
It seems to have no negative consequence though.
Please note, that also ext2 save-files were erratic.
Ext3 is more "verbose", that means you see more messages.
But it handles errors better.
A reboot or in very hard cases, after two reboots, you can work as usual.
For ext2, I had reports via Mail, where msy_save.2fs was completely broken.

I think these fixes are all I can do "quickly".
The other reported issues will be observed for the development of 008.4.

If you report success with the Update, I will rebuild all Isos tomorrow, so that they include the Update already (they also will inlude Sages suggested radiostations).

Please continue to post bugs you find, so that I can create further Updates, if required.

Mark

MU wrote:
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Other issues:
Remaster bugs:
I could not reproduce, that files copied to /tmp/root are not added to the remastered iso.
I ran Muppy mini as frugal installation, without a save-file.
All files were added correctly.

The problem I noticed is with the LIVE-CD, if you add a directory in root. it is not remastered

in /root , or in /tmp/root ?

I ran the remasterscript, and created a textfile in /tmp/root, when there was the dialog that offered, that now things can be added there.
Then, when it offered the dialog to create the iso and burn the CD, I cancelled.
I then copied the new /puppylivecdbuild/msy_083.sfs to /mnt/sda9/testmsy_083.sfs (if you do not rename it, you cannot mount it).
Then I could click on it in the filemanager to mount it, to check, if my file was included.

I also could try it with a directory tomorrow after some sleep.

Are files in /root remastered in a standard-Puppy? Never did a remaster before.

Mark