Booting from CD BionicPup32
Try this
When the list of boot options comes up...
Press the Esc key within the 10 second countdown
The prompt "boot:" appears in the top left corner
Type puppy forcepae
Press carriage return (enter)
It certainly used to be the case that with booting from CD you had to type the word "puppy" before adding any kernel paramters.
sda1 /puppy_upupbb_19.03.sfs not found
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OscarTalks
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t certainly used to be the case that with booting from CD you had to type the word "puppy" before adding any kernel paramters.
good point and still holds true. The flow should be :
insert CD and boot
press F2 during the boot process in the 10 second time window
use "puppy forcepae" at the prompt and let continue to boot.
Try this.
Still use the forcepae the way you first did it.
If any of the Bionicpup32 files are on the hard drive.
Delete them.
Now when you boot, the only place that has the Bionicpup32 stuff is the CD.
CD booting looks on every drive it finds for Bionicpup32 stuff. It may be finding something on other drives.
A list or image of exactly what is on the CD, will tell use if the CD is burned correctly.
Still use the forcepae the way you first did it.
Have no other drives plugged into the computer.go in bootloader menu, press tab, add
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forcepae
If any of the Bionicpup32 files are on the hard drive.
Delete them.
Now when you boot, the only place that has the Bionicpup32 stuff is the CD.
CD booting looks on every drive it finds for Bionicpup32 stuff. It may be finding something on other drives.
Never used this to do CD burns.burned it using cdrecorder command line burner.
A list or image of exactly what is on the CD, will tell use if the CD is burned correctly.
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The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Could try burning a CD of Tahrpup 6.0.5 nopae
It has a nopae kernel.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pu ... _noPAE.iso
It has a nopae kernel.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pu ... _noPAE.iso
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Sorry guys, but I already "solved" the pae issue: if I press tab and add '-- forcepae' i skip the error related.rockedge wrote:t certainly used to be the case that with booting from CD you had to type the word "puppy" before adding any kernel paramters.
good point and still holds true. The flow should be :
insert CD and boot
press F2 during the boot process in the 10 second time window
use "puppy forcepae" at the prompt and let continue to boot.
Right now my issue is that I have this error:
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sda1 /puppy_upupbb_19.03.sfs mount of sfs failedTo be sure that nothing is on the internal hdd I'm going to follow this:bigpup wrote:Could try burning a CD of Tahrpup 6.0.5 nopae
It has a nopae kernel.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pu ... _noPAE.iso
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insert CD and boot
press F2 during the boot process in the 10 second time window
use "puppy forcepae" at the prompt and let continue to boot.Code: Select all
debugsaveAfter how can I clean the internal hdd?
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OscarTalks
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In the case of BionicPup32, I am testing a live CD of it now.
Pressing F2 gives the help screen with information about having to type "puppy" and then a space....
But if you start typing from there it returns you to the boot options screen.
To get the "boot:" prompt you have to press the Esc key (from the boot options screen) and then you can type.
Unfortunately I am not able to test the forcepae parameter because I don't have a non-pae machine handy at the moment. The CD boots whether I add forcepae or not.
What I have done is test by adding (or not adding) the net.ifnames=0 parameter and seeing if my ethernet interface is named as eth0 or enp3s0
The boot parameter is recognised if I use Esc and "puppy" but it also works using the Tab key and without the "puppy", so I don't know if I have really found the solution I'm afraid.
Failure to find the main puppy.sfs when booting from CD is strange, unless the optical drive is on the blink, which is very common with older machines.
Pressing F2 gives the help screen with information about having to type "puppy" and then a space....
But if you start typing from there it returns you to the boot options screen.
To get the "boot:" prompt you have to press the Esc key (from the boot options screen) and then you can type.
Unfortunately I am not able to test the forcepae parameter because I don't have a non-pae machine handy at the moment. The CD boots whether I add forcepae or not.
What I have done is test by adding (or not adding) the net.ifnames=0 parameter and seeing if my ethernet interface is named as eth0 or enp3s0
The boot parameter is recognised if I use Esc and "puppy" but it also works using the Tab key and without the "puppy", so I don't know if I have really found the solution I'm afraid.
Failure to find the main puppy.sfs when booting from CD is strange, unless the optical drive is on the blink, which is very common with older machines.
Oscar in England
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OscarTalks
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This sounds like a very good idea!bigpup wrote:Could try burning a CD of Tahrpup 6.0.5 nopae
It has a nopae kernel.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pu ... _noPAE.iso
Doesn't it also already have VLC included (and possibly even a VLC upgrade option in Quickpet)?
Oscar in England
I think you need to try booting with a Puppy Linux version different from Bionicpup32 8.0.
Bionicpup32 seems to just not be setup to support your hardware.
Several Puppy versions have already been suggested.
Not all Puppy versions will work on all possible computers.
That is why there are many Puppy versions.
The Bionicpup versions are setup for supporting new and newer computers.
Bionicpup32 seems to just not be setup to support your hardware.
Several Puppy versions have already been suggested.
Not all Puppy versions will work on all possible computers.
That is why there are many Puppy versions.
The Bionicpup versions are setup for supporting new and newer computers.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Ok, maybe I made a mistake: I thought that Bionicpuppy was something working 100% on old laptop.
I downloaded these images in this week end..
I'll try them one by one...
The issue is that I have to plug an usb dvd writer to my mac to burn images...lets see tomorrow...
I downloaded these images in this week end..
I'll try them one by one...
The issue is that I have to plug an usb dvd writer to my mac to burn images...lets see tomorrow...
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Mike Walsh
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I would also recommend as suggested above. Get yourself up-and-running with a NO-PAE Puppy; once that's achieved, the world's your oyster and we can guide you through the necessary small edits to get a PAE Puppy booting.
Don't fret; this is all eminently 'do-able'. Just need to be patient. We'll get ya there.....eventually!
Mike.
Don't fret; this is all eminently 'do-able'. Just need to be patient. We'll get ya there.....eventually!
Mike.
@Mike Walsh: sorry but my English isn't so good for idiomatic sentencesMike Walsh wrote:we can guide you through the necessary small edits to get a PAE Puppy booting.
I didn't get your point.
Why I have to edit my linux to use PAE if my cpu has no PAE?
Thanks all guys.
I'm going to try to burn Tahrpup 6.0.5 nopae to a new cdrom ad try to install it.
My goal is to have a linux up&running on this old laptop with VLC.
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@ mcgyver83:-
Back when Intel first released the Pentium M/'Centrino', they did so utilising a variation of the same architecture that the immortal Pentium IIIs used (code-named 'Banias'), and these did indeed have the PAE capability. But for some strange reason, only known to Intel themselves, they decided to modify it in such a way that it did not tell you that it had PAE. The internal 'flag' that gave this information to the OS was missing.
Why, heaven above knows. The fact remains, however, that a later release of the same package, utilising a re-worked architecure (now code-named 'Dothan') DID advertise its PAE capabilities by means of an internal 'flag'. Which to all intents & purposes solved the problem.
So; your CPU does have PAE. But Puppy thinks that it doesn't.....because of that missing 'flag'. Hence why the "forcepae" option will let you use PAE-enabled Puppies.
Hope that clarifies things.
Mike.
My bad; I tend to forget that English is not everyone's 'mother tongue'. Allow me to explain further.mcgyver83 wrote:@Mike Walsh: sorry but my English isn't so good for idiomatic sentences
I didn't get your point.
Why I have to edit my linux to use PAE if my cpu has no PAE?
Back when Intel first released the Pentium M/'Centrino', they did so utilising a variation of the same architecture that the immortal Pentium IIIs used (code-named 'Banias'), and these did indeed have the PAE capability. But for some strange reason, only known to Intel themselves, they decided to modify it in such a way that it did not tell you that it had PAE. The internal 'flag' that gave this information to the OS was missing.
Why, heaven above knows. The fact remains, however, that a later release of the same package, utilising a re-worked architecure (now code-named 'Dothan') DID advertise its PAE capabilities by means of an internal 'flag'. Which to all intents & purposes solved the problem.
So; your CPU does have PAE. But Puppy thinks that it doesn't.....because of that missing 'flag'. Hence why the "forcepae" option will let you use PAE-enabled Puppies.
Hope that clarifies things.
Mike.
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@ mcgyver83:-
No, your assumption is quite correct. PAE only really applies to machines that have 4 GB of RAM or more.....and, as you say, 768 MB doesn't even approach that 'limit'.
64-bit OSs/hardware don't have this problem, because of the far greater address space the CPU is capable of accessing. For 32-bit CPUs, this is a function equal to its binary sum, i.e. 2 (binary) to the power of 32 (the number of available address 'bits') = a grand total of 4294967296 bytes, or, 4096 MB = 4 GB max.
The same total for 64-bit CPUs is far larger:-
2 to the power of 64 = 18446744073700000000 bytes = 18014398509500000 MB = an extremely large number. (Heading up towards PB (petabyte) territory, anyway.)
Not an issue you're likely to be facing, I suspect..!
Tahrpup should do you proud. It was the very first Puppy I successfully ran on an 18-yr old, 2002 Dell Inspiron laptop.....even more ancient than yours, although it did have a bit more RAM at that time (1 GB). And, as Oscar points out, it's one of the very few Puppies to have VLC as the default media player; most Puppies tend to employ Gnome MPlayer, instead.
Mike.
No, your assumption is quite correct. PAE only really applies to machines that have 4 GB of RAM or more.....and, as you say, 768 MB doesn't even approach that 'limit'.
64-bit OSs/hardware don't have this problem, because of the far greater address space the CPU is capable of accessing. For 32-bit CPUs, this is a function equal to its binary sum, i.e. 2 (binary) to the power of 32 (the number of available address 'bits') = a grand total of 4294967296 bytes, or, 4096 MB = 4 GB max.
The same total for 64-bit CPUs is far larger:-
2 to the power of 64 = 18446744073700000000 bytes = 18014398509500000 MB = an extremely large number. (Heading up towards PB (petabyte) territory, anyway.)
Not an issue you're likely to be facing, I suspect..!
Tahrpup should do you proud. It was the very first Puppy I successfully ran on an 18-yr old, 2002 Dell Inspiron laptop.....even more ancient than yours, although it did have a bit more RAM at that time (1 GB). And, as Oscar points out, it's one of the very few Puppies to have VLC as the default media player; most Puppies tend to employ Gnome MPlayer, instead.
Mike.
Do a frugal install.
Frugal is just the name, it is still all of Tahrpup, just installed in a special way.
Some features of Puppy Linux only work as a frugal install.
Frugal installs:
Can be put on any partition any format, any type storage device.
They load more of Puppy into RAM.
Easier to backup, because all changes, settings are in the save. The core Puppy files never change. Only what is in the save changes. All you have to do is copy the save to have a backup.
If Puppy really gets messed up. Just delete the save and replace it with the backup save.
You can easily load or unload SFS program packages.
This lets you use a program without actually installing it to Puppy. You will have to use this option to fully understand it.
All of Puppy is placed in a directory (folder).
You can have many Puppies on one partition.
All completely separate from the other.
All in different directories (Linux term for folder).
Full installs:
Must be installed to a Linux formatted partition.
Uses the entire partition.
Main advantage is it uses less memory to boot to desktop.
Does not use layered file system.
Works best for compiling.
Does not run into size limit that a save file has on a fat32 format.
I know a full install is suppose to use less memory than a frugal install. But the difference is not really that much.
Your computer can handle a frugal install.
Frugal is just the name, it is still all of Tahrpup, just installed in a special way.
Some features of Puppy Linux only work as a frugal install.
Frugal installs:
Can be put on any partition any format, any type storage device.
They load more of Puppy into RAM.
Easier to backup, because all changes, settings are in the save. The core Puppy files never change. Only what is in the save changes. All you have to do is copy the save to have a backup.
If Puppy really gets messed up. Just delete the save and replace it with the backup save.
You can easily load or unload SFS program packages.
This lets you use a program without actually installing it to Puppy. You will have to use this option to fully understand it.
All of Puppy is placed in a directory (folder).
You can have many Puppies on one partition.
All completely separate from the other.
All in different directories (Linux term for folder).
Full installs:
Must be installed to a Linux formatted partition.
Uses the entire partition.
Main advantage is it uses less memory to boot to desktop.
Does not use layered file system.
Works best for compiling.
Does not run into size limit that a save file has on a fat32 format.
I know a full install is suppose to use less memory than a frugal install. But the difference is not really that much.
Your computer can handle a frugal install.
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The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Again many thanks.
I did a full install because I thought that was the easy one.
I'm interested in
[quote="bigpup"]
You can easily load or unload SFS program packages.
This lets you use a program without actually installing it to Puppy./quote]
I'm going to read something about this.
Right now I'm streaming my VHS to an avi file using vlc like a charme
Tahrpup has a lot of stuff already installed, right now I'm fine, I'm converting my VHS but I know for sure that I will start cleaning stuff "to save resources"
I'll check later for frugal install benefit.
Right now I need a VHS to Avi converter machine
I did a full install because I thought that was the easy one.
I'm interested in
[quote="bigpup"]
You can easily load or unload SFS program packages.
This lets you use a program without actually installing it to Puppy./quote]
I'm going to read something about this.
Right now I'm streaming my VHS to an avi file using vlc like a charme
Tahrpup has a lot of stuff already installed, right now I'm fine, I'm converting my VHS but I know for sure that I will start cleaning stuff "to save resources"
I'll check later for frugal install benefit.
Right now I need a VHS to Avi converter machine
Tahrpup has a program called Quickpet ( icon on desktop)
Run Quickpet->Info->Tahrpup updates
This will install any bug fixes and improvements to programs that are part of Tahrpup.
Also, a lot of good programs offered in Quickpet, that can be downloaded and installed.
SFS package loading and unloading can not be done in full installs.
One of the features only in frugal installs.
In full installs, an SFS package will just install like installing a pet or deb package.
Well, that is what is suppose to happen with full installs.
Some SFS packaged software does it better than others.
Full installed Puppy Linux works much different than a frugal install.
Really, Puppy is designed for frugal install.
I would not spend any time trying to remove stuff from Tahrpup. You will only get about 100MB of space back and that is if you do a lot of removing programs.
Also, you have to be very careful what you remove.
You can easily remove a program that is used by another program.
The programs in Puppy are very small in size, except for the web browser. Those things just get bigger and bigger.
Run Quickpet->Info->Tahrpup updates
This will install any bug fixes and improvements to programs that are part of Tahrpup.
Also, a lot of good programs offered in Quickpet, that can be downloaded and installed.
SFS package loading and unloading can not be done in full installs.
One of the features only in frugal installs.
In full installs, an SFS package will just install like installing a pet or deb package.
Well, that is what is suppose to happen with full installs.
Some SFS packaged software does it better than others.
Full installed Puppy Linux works much different than a frugal install.
Really, Puppy is designed for frugal install.
I would not spend any time trying to remove stuff from Tahrpup. You will only get about 100MB of space back and that is if you do a lot of removing programs.
Also, you have to be very careful what you remove.
You can easily remove a program that is used by another program.
The programs in Puppy are very small in size, except for the web browser. Those things just get bigger and bigger.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
I have a Tahr6.0.5 running that has a complete camera security system package installed and working. As is without the web server, mysql and camera software actually running HTOP reports 190 megs of RAM used. With all the extras running full steam I am at around 400megs. Run palemoon and it shoots up to 800-900 megs.
now that is great performance. A stock out of the box Tahr6.0.5 really doesn't need to be stripped down at all. Not worth the effort for the little results you will get from doing it.
stick with frugal installs if at all possible. As you progress in experience and knowledge you will better see why
now that is great performance. A stock out of the box Tahr6.0.5 really doesn't need to be stripped down at all. Not worth the effort for the little results you will get from doing it.
stick with frugal installs if at all possible. As you progress in experience and knowledge you will better see why