Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 - Updated ISO Version 005 - APR 05 2012

[otropogo]

Thus my wonderment at Seamonkey upgrade pets for Lucid.

The pets I post contain the latest version of the full Seamonkey. One could uninstall any previous version and then install the new pet. Anyway, I think the safest is to use the Lucid pets. If you got a 3.6MB update from Lucid that would have been a bad download. And I just checked--the Seamonkey update from 2.9 to 2.10 is 21MB, so I am thinking any 3.6MB update would have been a bad download--and so far the SM update looks OK.

You're right about the size. I've just checked the archived SM2.1 file I downloaded, and it's 22MB.

I would certainly have used your pet, had I known about it. Unfortunately, I've been preoccupied lately, and once you've failed to log onto the forums for a few consecutive days, the notices of new posts stop coming to remind you...

One concern I have about these automatic upgrades is that in the past, I've lost all my passwords and had to reconstitute them. More rarely, my bookmarks have been lost in the course of one of these upgrades too.

And they definitely are automatic. I remember quite clearly creating a directory, saving the 2.1 release notes and uninstall_install pages, then clicking on the download tab, seeing the browser's options to open the archive and choosing instead to save the file to disk.

And indeed, the archive is in the new directory, unopened, with the two html pages. No prompt to install the new version ever displayed on my system, yet here it is...

Help/About Seamonkey displays:

Seamonkey


version 2.10




You are currently on the release update channel.

Ouch! Have just discovered the explanation. Sometime in September or earlier (the updates history in Preferences/advanced/installation ends there), when I was still running Lucid 5.2.8_x, there was a security update 2.4.1.

Apparently it, or a previous installation/update, reset my installation preferences, setting all Seamonkey and add-on upgrades and installations to 'automatic'. I know I've never opened this window before, didn't even know about it. So it must have become a default setting in some version of SM. Very disturbing...

The update history shows the automatic installation of SM 'security updates' 2.41, 2.5, 2.6.1, 2.7, 2.7.1, 2.7.2, 2.9, 2.9.1, and 2.10.

I've now unchecked the add-on 'download and install' options, and also the
update ones, but left the option to 'check daily' for updates checked.

Not sure what to do about them, especially as you seem to suggest letting them autoinstall to Lupuplus_libre is not a good idea. On one hand, it's surely good to have the latest security fixes, on the other, its preferable to have an installation specifically tested on lupu.

But given the rate of new security updates, I don't expect you could possibly create pets for each them. There seem to have been nine in the past nine months...

[playdayz]

Not sure what to do about them, especially as you seem to suggest letting them autoinstall to Lupuplus_libre is not a good idea. On one hand, it's surely good to have the latest security fixes, on the other, its preferable to have an installation specifically tested on lupu.

But given the rate of new security updates, I don't expect you could possibly create pets for each them. There seem to have been nine in the past nine months...

I would have just called those the regular SM updates. We did have pets for most of them. The auto update did seem to work OK for me from 2.9 to 2.10. I might suggest installing the 2.10 pet and then watching next time it asks about updating.

[James C]

FWIW, I've had no problems with SeaMonkey auto-updating to 2.10 or Firefox auto-updating to 13.0 in several full and frugal installs.
Still using a full install of lupu-libre 528.005 as my primary os.

[majorfoo]

Could you provide pet or sfs on the latest libreoffice?

The best thing I think I is to get 01micko's get_libreoffice 0.15 so you can continue to update yourself. It will not work with Lupu/Plus Libre however, since Libreoffice is already installed. Here is the thread -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65918

Here is the 3.5.4 sfs -> http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/Libre ... _en-US.sfs

Thanks for 3.54.sfs.
I d/l the " get_libreoffice-015.pet" and will use on future updates of libreoffice.

This new version is super fast and really enjoying it.

Again, thanks for your assistance. You are always Johnny-on-the-Spot, when I need something.

[bigpup]

If the person making a pet of Seamonkey or Firefox, does not deliberately turn off auto update, then it will be set on by default, when you install the pet.
Mozilla made auto update on the default setting in all of their browsers.
When you install the browser, the first thing it will do is run auto update and if update is found, it will install the update.
For Seamonkey or Firefox auto update settings can be changed in preferences.
(while I was changing the settings for auto update in Seamonkey, it was already downloading the update.)

Seamonkey preferences for auto update, when you first install the Lucid pet of Seamonkey:

[bigpup]

FWIW, I've had no problems with SeaMonkey auto-updating to 2.10 or Firefox auto-updating to 13.0 in several full and frugal installs.
Still using a full install of lupu-libre 528.005 as my primary os.

Same with me.
In Seamonkey 2.9.1 I had auto update set in preferences to only check for updates, but not download and install.
I did the update to 2.10 by help->check for updates.
After the update to 2.10 the preference settings where still set the way I wanted them. So for me, it seems the preferences are not reset, but remembered between updates. Good thing!

[shinobar]

I do not like auto update because it consumes the lupusave when I am on wary/slacko, or lupu with the seamonkey SFS.

Seamonkey-2.10-en.sfs is now available
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=78601

[James C]

Just uninstalled Chrome 18 and installed your latest and greatest Chrome 19 pet on the full install of LupuLibre528.005 on my Athlon XP box......works fine.

[playdayz]

I do not like auto update because it consumes the lupusave when I am on wary/slacko, or lupu with the seamonkey SFS.

Seamonkey-2.10-en.sfs is now available
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=78601

Puppy has something for everyone! Shinobar is right--if one uses an sfs-based browser such as his SM, then updating will consume lupusave. I personally don't mind that so much and I prefer that my browser auto-update to stay current--if the browser is installed with a pet then the auto-update will not take any more lupusave space than the pet already takes because it will overwrite files in the pet. Admittedly, the Google Chrome pet for instance does use about 105MB of lupusave.

[otropogo]

I do not like auto update because it consumes the lupusave when I am on wary/slacko, or lupu with the seamonkey SFS.

This is my concern also. I've lost a 2sf file in the past because it got filled to the limit.

..... I personally don't mind that so much and I prefer that my browser auto-update to stay current--if the browser is installed with a pet then the auto-update will not take any more lupusave space than the pet already takes because it will overwrite files in the pet.

Do you mean that every one of the last nine times Seamonkey auto-installed an update on my lupu528/ lupupluslibre, it left the previous version's files intact in my 2fs file?

If so, how can I get rid of the redundant files? How much space could I expect to recover if I simply uninstall Seamonkey completely, after saving my passwords and bookmarks, and then installing the 2.10 pet?

[n1mnal]

[moved from mistaken location in parent topic "Puppy Projects"]

using Dell 17" LC D monitor at 1024x768, vesa driver
with nvidia video hardware.

1) the text labels of the hard disk partition icons ("sda1", "sda2" etc)
extend into the taskbar space and are partially or completely
overwritten by the taskbar. Strangely, this doesn't happen to fd0.

2) icons for usb drives initially appear each above and half-
overlapping a hard disk partition icon (and/or fd0, can't remember).

Notes: 1) my previous lucid (511) didn't have this problem on this
monitor, but rest of hardware incl video driver was different;
2) This machine has about 9 total hard drive partitions
formatted for filesystems.
3) the first-run setup told me I could have a display 1288 (?)
x 1024, but this mode turned out to have the left edge of
the screen image repeated on the right side.
EndOfNotes, resume previous numbering.

3) I seem to have 2 identical copies of the lupu sfs, one in a subdir
(named, from memory, something like "l528005.43") apparently
created by lupu spontaneously, at the top of the install partition,
and one in the subdir created when lupu asked if I wanted to
install to a subdir, then asked me to specify a name.
Similarly, I seem to have 2 (same size but not identical according
to cmp) lupusave.3fs files, in different directories, but lupu never
asks me to choose between them, it just silently picks one.
Neither of these (near-)duplicates is a problem except as a waste
of space in the rather small install partition.

[playdayz]

Google Chrome 19 SFS

Here's an SFS of Google Chrome 19 for anyone prefers an SFS browser. After installing you will need to use the Browser Chooser to select Chrome as the default. It is the same as the pet of Chrome 19-2. You place it in /mnt/home and then use Bootmanager or SFS-Load-on-the-fly to install it.

http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/Googl ... ucid-2.sfs

[playdayz]

Do you mean that every one of the last nine times Seamonkey auto-installed an update on my lupu528/ lupupluslibre, it left the previous version's files intact in my 2fs file?

No, it overwrote them. I usually uninstall the old pet before installing the new one, but that is not necessary--it will take the same amount of space either way. When the new pet is uninstalled the old one will not be there "underneath" because it has been overwritten by the new one which has then been uninstalled.

[shinobar]

I've lost a 2sf file in the past because it got filled to the limit.

Another issue is the browser/application settings.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=62110

[bigpup]

I seem to have 2 identical copies of the lupu sfs, one in a subdir
(named, from memory, something like "l528005.43") apparently
created by lupu spontaneously, at the top of the install partition,
and one in the subdir created when lupu asked if I wanted to
install to a subdir, then asked me to specify a name.
Similarly, I seem to have 2 (same size but not identical according
to cmp) lupusave.3fs files, in different directories, but lupu never
asks me to choose between them, it just silently picks one.

Sounds like you have installed the Lupu.sfs and Lupusave.3fs files from running a live CD of Lucid (Lupu), along with a regular frugal install. The only ones you want to have are what the frugal install put on computer.

one in a subdir (named, from memory, something like "l528005.43")

If this is true, not sure what this is.

my previous lucid (511) didn't have this problem on this
monitor, but rest of hardware incl video driver was different;

If this (Lucid 511) used a save file that is still on computer, Lucid(Lupu) could be trying to use it. Because of the change in hardware it would contain the wrong info and settings.

Try deleting the duplicate files.
Only have the files that are in the subdir created when lupu was
doing the frugal install.
You may also have to rerun the boot loader config program to make sure the entry for Lupu is still pointing to the proper location.
If you have two save files, with the same exact name, it could cause the problems you see.
A corrupted save file will also cause problems.

You can have two Lupusave files, but they have to have different names.
Like:
lupusave-something.3fs
Lupusave-whatever.3fs
When you boot Lucid(lupu) it will ask which one to use.


Better yet, you may want to just delete everything on the computer, Lupu related, and start fresh.

You can do all of this by running Lucid (Lupu) from a live CD, using the boot option puppy pfix=ram.
This will keep the live CD from using any of the files on the computer.
When you reboot from running with the live CD, just say no to any questions about making a save file or putting a copy of the Lupu.sfs on computer.

This info may help you:
Various ways to install puppy
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60302

Here is a Puppy specific Google search:
http://wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html

[cowboy]

Could you provide pet or sfs on the latest libreoffice?

The best thing I think I is to get 01micko's get_libreoffice 0.15 so you can continue to update yourself. It will not work with Lupu/Plus Libre however, since Libreoffice is already installed. Here is the thread -> http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65918

Here is the 3.5.4 sfs -> http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/Libre ... _en-US.sfs

Playdayz, thank you for your effort in keeping the repository up to date. Keep in mind, please, that 01mickos getlibreoffice pet will not work on USB installs. So...perhaps just update the repository when a major update of Libreoffice occurs (ie, 3.5, 3.6, etc). Seems like Libreoffice is adopting a quick update model along the lines of Chrome or Firefox. While the half-point updates may be too much to stay up on, consider my suggestion, please, regarding major updates.

FWIW - I am not noticing a great deal of difference between 3.5.4 and 3.5.3. Surely these half-point updates aren't in response to security threats? Wonder if it is possible to use the self-update feature inside Libreoffice to stay current? (Thereby relieving Playdayz of having to update the repository)

[playdayz]

Playdayz, thank you for your effort in keeping the repository up to date. Keep in mind, please, that 01mickos getlibreoffice pet will not work on USB installs. So...perhaps just update the repository when a major update of Libreoffice occurs (ie, 3.5, 3.6, etc).

Yes, I do tend to forget that. I will check what is there. Good point. They did say that 3.5.4 was supposed to be "up to 100% faster in opening large files," which sounded good to me Speed has always been my biggest problem with Libre/Open Office. The Libre versions of Lupu are an attempt to get Libre to run faster by including it in the sfs that is copied to ram.

Wonder if it is possible to use the self-update feature inside Libreoffice to stay current?

That should be possible. However, it would eat up the lupusave file because the update would be installed in lupusave rather than sfs. On the other hand, if you have enough save file space (and it can be increased remember) then it would eat up some the first time you updated, but subsequent updates would not cost much because they would overwrite the previous update. But come to think of it--I have been getting an "Checking for an Update Failed" message when I know there is an update....in Lupu Plus Libre. I don't understand why--does anyone?

[bigpup]

Found this statement in a bug report about check for updates in LibreOffice.

There are no updates (well, mostly). There are only upgrades.

The menu item is a remnant from when OpenOffice.org used to have lengthy delays between releases and ignored most bug-fixes put forwards by the community. It's vaguely possible that
1. development might slow down a bit at some point in the future and
2. one release or branch might be treated as a longer-term prospect with bug-fixes and sundry stuff back-ported to it

At the moment people are being encouraged to keep installing newer and newer releases and to find easy ways of doing that with the least disruption possible OR to take note that security is almost never the reason for upgrades so if your version of LibreOffice does everything you need then you can probably stick with it for 6months or a year before upgrading.

I am still looking.

At LibreOffice The document foundation.
Also found this response to a question. why can't it update from 3.5 to 3.5.1 with auto update?

LibreOffice does not support partial updates. Since it is built as a single application with several "modules", you need to download the full package which is not a trivial download (nearly 200Mb for the Windows version).

Therefore since downloading such volume of data is not possible for many users (remember that LibreOffice is used in many countries and regions where Internet access is still limited to 56kbit/s analog modems) the program simply warns you that an update is available.

There is some statements here about auto update. Results seem to be all over the place. Hard to determine what it is really suppose to do.
http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012 ... ice-3-5-4/

Playdayz,
Maybe it needs your getting help to work magic code tweaks?

[don570]

For people with eyesight problems this is a pleasant way to write
text. Green text on black background. Font size can be varied.
Foreign characters are supported

CTRL-H for help

Requirements: Python 2.6 needs to be installed.
I installed Python-2.6-Lucid.pet



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[nooby]

I trust it is something that I do wrong because that would be logical
I usually only use Lupu 528-005 and I use the default pupclock

But I fail to get how to set it up so it behave consistently.

It now and then change time 2 hours wrong. And the only thing I did
where to boot into another Puppy and then back into Lupu.

The error seems to be how I did set up Lupu and not how I set up
the other puppy. FatDog.

So should I start a new thread or can I ask about Lupu here maybe?
What is most likely to have gone wrong in my set up?

could it be somethign about the Auto something it allow one to have or not?
And I need to check the BIOS time too and have forgot how one do that.

Can one tell urxvt to ask for BIOS time or does one need to reboot and
hit the right combination or F2 or Delete whatever it is. Have no idea.

Kind suggestions appreciated.

I've set the BIOS time right and set the Lupu setting right but
the Pclock seems to say it is set to GMT -2 hours instead of plus two hours?

So each time I reboot the clock is two hours wrong? What to do?