Im asking for help and a favour
Posted: Thu 14 Feb 2013, 12:50
ok one more post before my 3 day sleep holiday or whatever.
As ive said many times, i have no idea how normal people use a computer.
Over the next few days i wont be checking the forum but there is something i want to ask the Puppy/ Pussy community to do for me.
I need to know exactly what apps you use. Be selfish, post here what you want in an awesome and capable out of the box OOTB Pussy solution. Pussy is still in development and application selection in a standard Pussy is still something i am experimenting with.
If you have the time please post here all the apps you expect to be in an awesome OOTB Pussy. There is 10 different apps for everything, choosing the best one of the 10 is the real trick.
Pussy is for this community, its not advertised anywhere else. I want to include all the apps that YOU want, YOU being anyone who is remotely interested in Puppy and Pussy.
Now that the skeleton base ISO is finished the next thing for me to do is install all the apps/ desktop/ networking stuff etc.
It would be really helpful to me if in 3 days time or so i come back to this thread and some people have listed all the apps they use.
a source of easily addable apps can be searched and found at:
http://packages.debian.org and select "testing" or "wheezy" to do your searches.
Pussy doesnt HAVE to stick to the debian repos, in the old pussy some apps where installed statically in their own folders. So if you favorite app isnt in the debian repos but can be download from some other site, then please tell me the app and maybe the site.
Like i said, be selfish. If you dont use an office suite then dont feel you have to say that you want openoffice or freeoffice or whatever. Please dont feel like you have to mention an office package just because every other OS has one or you are catering for the needs of others. Please just list the apps you wanna use, and screw everyone else. This information it critical for the next step of developing the new pussy. I simply are not familiar with newer packages and i dont have much of an idea what new fancy things are out there.
List YOUR apps, as this OS if for YOU. A DVD sized Pussy has room enough on the DVD to include ANYTHING you want in Pussy.
Example. DVD is 4GB or so in size, apps are installed in the OS and then compressed in a squashfs file. Squashfs compression is so much that it is completely reasonable to actually have 10 to 15 or maybe even 20GB of actual OS storage space to use all on a 4GB DVD.
I dont want Pussy to just include "general generic application that every other OS has but no one ever uses" so being very average and mediocre you can please the most amount of people a little bit.
I want Pussy to be the opposite of this. I want to make the Pussy community 100% happy and screw everyone else.
Pussy told me today that he doesnt want to please a million average users only 50% , he told me that he wants to please a lesser group 100% and he doesnt want crappy apps that where chosen because they are the smallest to fit on the ISO and only offer mediocre useability that force you to install something that is actually useful. Pussy want to please you all with a true ultimate OOTB experience that has everything in it to begin with.
Pussy also came home drunk and smacked me around a bit and then told me he wants WINE in the OS, so if there is free Windows apps that run on WINE that anyone wants to use and its not available in Linux there is no problem. if your favorite app only made for Windows there is no shame in setting it up to use WINE
i know all these different apps will use a bit more ram,especially network related apps that are running all the time in the background etc, or a bluetooth app that just sits there in RAM until it detects a bluetooth device.
The trick here is edit the start routine, All the RAM hog apps like that can be removed from the boot sequence in the catroll-panel.
Large disk usage of an OS doesnt equate to lower performance or higher RAM usage. The only thing that really matters is how many programs/ apps/ daemons you have loaded/ running in RAM. Clicking on a simple catroll-panel will permanently disable the things you dont need, and if your using persistence or full HDD install, you can uninstall the these apps from the OS permanently with the click of a mouse. I think all the silly bluetooth stuff will be enabled and work on first boot, so people can connect their device immediately and it just works. For an OOTB experience that makes sense and the user can disable if the like. I think its better than not having these kind of RAM hog apps disabled so the user trying to connect his blueteeth doesnt have to hunt around or look online or go to a irc chat room to ask people how to enable blootoof.
Ok im rambling again, time to sleep.... post people, post your prefered apps.
As ive said many times, i have no idea how normal people use a computer.
Over the next few days i wont be checking the forum but there is something i want to ask the Puppy/ Pussy community to do for me.
I need to know exactly what apps you use. Be selfish, post here what you want in an awesome and capable out of the box OOTB Pussy solution. Pussy is still in development and application selection in a standard Pussy is still something i am experimenting with.
If you have the time please post here all the apps you expect to be in an awesome OOTB Pussy. There is 10 different apps for everything, choosing the best one of the 10 is the real trick.
Pussy is for this community, its not advertised anywhere else. I want to include all the apps that YOU want, YOU being anyone who is remotely interested in Puppy and Pussy.
Now that the skeleton base ISO is finished the next thing for me to do is install all the apps/ desktop/ networking stuff etc.
It would be really helpful to me if in 3 days time or so i come back to this thread and some people have listed all the apps they use.
a source of easily addable apps can be searched and found at:
http://packages.debian.org and select "testing" or "wheezy" to do your searches.
Pussy doesnt HAVE to stick to the debian repos, in the old pussy some apps where installed statically in their own folders. So if you favorite app isnt in the debian repos but can be download from some other site, then please tell me the app and maybe the site.
Like i said, be selfish. If you dont use an office suite then dont feel you have to say that you want openoffice or freeoffice or whatever. Please dont feel like you have to mention an office package just because every other OS has one or you are catering for the needs of others. Please just list the apps you wanna use, and screw everyone else. This information it critical for the next step of developing the new pussy. I simply are not familiar with newer packages and i dont have much of an idea what new fancy things are out there.
List YOUR apps, as this OS if for YOU. A DVD sized Pussy has room enough on the DVD to include ANYTHING you want in Pussy.
Example. DVD is 4GB or so in size, apps are installed in the OS and then compressed in a squashfs file. Squashfs compression is so much that it is completely reasonable to actually have 10 to 15 or maybe even 20GB of actual OS storage space to use all on a 4GB DVD.
I dont want Pussy to just include "general generic application that every other OS has but no one ever uses" so being very average and mediocre you can please the most amount of people a little bit.
I want Pussy to be the opposite of this. I want to make the Pussy community 100% happy and screw everyone else.
Pussy told me today that he doesnt want to please a million average users only 50% , he told me that he wants to please a lesser group 100% and he doesnt want crappy apps that where chosen because they are the smallest to fit on the ISO and only offer mediocre useability that force you to install something that is actually useful. Pussy want to please you all with a true ultimate OOTB experience that has everything in it to begin with.
Pussy also came home drunk and smacked me around a bit and then told me he wants WINE in the OS, so if there is free Windows apps that run on WINE that anyone wants to use and its not available in Linux there is no problem. if your favorite app only made for Windows there is no shame in setting it up to use WINE
i know all these different apps will use a bit more ram,especially network related apps that are running all the time in the background etc, or a bluetooth app that just sits there in RAM until it detects a bluetooth device.
The trick here is edit the start routine, All the RAM hog apps like that can be removed from the boot sequence in the catroll-panel.
Large disk usage of an OS doesnt equate to lower performance or higher RAM usage. The only thing that really matters is how many programs/ apps/ daemons you have loaded/ running in RAM. Clicking on a simple catroll-panel will permanently disable the things you dont need, and if your using persistence or full HDD install, you can uninstall the these apps from the OS permanently with the click of a mouse. I think all the silly bluetooth stuff will be enabled and work on first boot, so people can connect their device immediately and it just works. For an OOTB experience that makes sense and the user can disable if the like. I think its better than not having these kind of RAM hog apps disabled so the user trying to connect his blueteeth doesnt have to hunt around or look online or go to a irc chat room to ask people how to enable blootoof.
Ok im rambling again, time to sleep.... post people, post your prefered apps.