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Re: multisession
Posted: Fri 10 Jun 2011, 09:36
by Brown Mouse
Minnesota wrote:I believe the key word you used was MULTISESSION. From my experience you only can use a multisession disk on the computer it was built on.. or that was true in the past. If you want the disk to be used on mulit machines you need to close it out.. .finalize it.
Yes of course!Now..why didn't I think of that.
Thanks Minnesota
And Now ?
Posted: Fri 10 Jun 2011, 11:12
by Volhout
PlayDayz,
I am a great Puppy fan since 2.17, and use it on every (except my wife's laptop) machine. In most cases not besides ... , but as only os. I have followed the development from when Barry was "in charge", and now with several others taking responsibility (the 5 series), while Barry is creating his own line of projects (Quirky, Wary). I cannot help wondering where this will go to. Is there a master plan to pull this further ?
- will the 5.25 be supported for long time? Or will it be superceded by 5.26 in 4 weeks time (I am running 5.20 since it's release, and would move to 5.25 if it this was the long time support version, and I could look forward to a growing and maintained SFS/PET library).
- is there going to be a Puppy 5.3 series, or Puppy 6 series.
- are there plans to merge Barry's puppies back into mainstream ... or the 5 series into Barries puppies ?
In other words.... is there a master plan forward (*) ?? Or are we simply going back to Slackware (or Mandriva, like Barry blogs today) and doing the same thing all over again.
Volhout
(*) if you investigate the legacy Puppy drags along : SCSI support (may be typical for senior (age) Linux developers, but not for Windows refugees, some versions even support all analog modems (where I live there is not a single dial-up provider anymore). There is some inconsistency, and more user-tailored puppies could be developed. But main question remains, is there a plan...???
Posted: Fri 10 Jun 2011, 12:19
by ICPUG
Volhout,
You have been around long enough to know that there is no plan!
A plan is not the Puppy development model. Each developer takes the Puppy in the direction that gives them fun.
There is usually some common binding within a Puppy series although series 5 has split that approach with Wary and Lucid serving two distinct sectors.
The most activity going on at the moment is from Micko1 which is a Slackware based pup. That may be the next official Pup when it reaches release.
Posted: Fri 10 Jun 2011, 13:31
by Volhout
Hi ICPUG,
In my memory, the development of puppy until 4.31 was pretty clear. Barry was driving it (officially up to 4.12 I think). This was mainstream puppy. There where branches and derivatives (i.e. Macpup), but mainstream was Barry's puppy.
Barry decided to take a step back, and mainstream Puppy was headed by volunteers from the community (Technosaurus, Playdayz). Still a clear vision, Puppy is a community child now.
But then it became a bit fuzzy when Barry started releasing (in parallel) his quirky and wary branches. It is not one Puppy anymore. Looks like the mainstream puppy is split up a bit. If you look now, you see both 5 series, and quirky, and wary, and all have branches and derivatives. And since this a "hobby" work, no-one knows (at the moment) what branch will live in 1 year time (a good example is puppeee from Jemimah. She was really dedicated to it for 1 year, and now she is taking a very long (definite ?) vacation. Will she ever be back ? I have an eee PC with puppeee 4.4RC2 and am checking every day if she will return to finilize this into a official release).
As long as there is 1 mainstream, there will allways someone to pick it up, but if you gamble on the wrong branch...... And that is where my quesion comes from.
Volhout
Posted: Fri 10 Jun 2011, 15:40
by playdayz
PupSnap in the Lupu PPM needs updated to version 1.6.1
Got it BP. Thanks.
Posted: Fri 10 Jun 2011, 15:58
by playdayz
- will the 5.25 be supported for long time? Or will it be superceded by 5.26 in 4 weeks time (I am running 5.20 since it's release, and would move to 5.25 if it this was the long time support version, and I could look forward to a growing and maintained SFS/PET library).
- is there going to be a Puppy 5.3 series, or Puppy 6 series.
- are there plans to merge Barry's puppies back into mainstream ... or the 5 series into Barries puppies ?
I think there is something of a master plan, as much as you can have with a bunch of raving anarchists
But there is a lot of openeness to the future also.
Lucid 5.2.5 is finished. There are no plans to release any more Lucid Puppies. It is also a Ubuntu Long Term Support release so I plan to keep maintaining the LupuNews and the puppy-lucid repo in the Puppy Package Manager for at least a year--not always at the same pace--I have been doing a lot the last couple of weeks in terms of the available packages.
Yes, in 4.3.1 there was only one mainstream Puppy and Barry was the man. Barry needs more freedom than to be tied down to debugging one release after another--he is the idea man!
Right now on puppylinux.com Barry lists two "official releases."
LATEST VERSIONS: Lucid 5.2.5, Wary 5.1.2
Wary for older hardware and Lucid for current hardware. There are other differences--Wary is more a "standard" Puppy for instance.
In addition to these there are the many great Puppy "derivatives." Puppies of all breeds and colors
At some point, afaik, Barry will designate a new official Puppy. He may choose for that to replace Lucid, or he may add one to the list. Barry is still the man for decisions like that. Either way, Lucid will be maintained for the year or so. IMHO, Lucid is a very usable Puppy, well-tested, reasonably stable, with a good amount of software available. With that said, for many people, testing and using the many available Puppies is part of the fun.
Your question gave me this idea.
I just answered a message from a person who was worried about "investing in the wrong Puppy" meaning, in the past 4.3.1 was clearly the one official Puppy--now it is different. Plus, there are worries when updating the something could go wrong and crater one's data.
This is a big project--not simple--but maybe worth discussing: a separate sfs file for data. Currently the modifications one makes to Puppy, by adding pets, etc., and one's data are kept in the same sfs file--and it is the one that is updated with a new Puppy. But if there was separate sfs for data then one could boot any Puppy and work on that same data, and upgrading any Puppy would not touch the sfs file with one's data in it. One can do something similar now by keeping data in /mnt/home--but I am thinking less experienced users might not understand that and it might be better to do it automatically. Barry would have to do this in the scripts--I am not even sure about the details.One thing, the user would have to choose, because Puppy will not know the difference between data and a new pet file for instance.
Posted: Fri 10 Jun 2011, 16:33
by playdayz
VLC info.
The VLC that is working in the Lucid PPM for 1.1.5 VLC is vlc-1.1.5-w5. That is the one Barry built for Wary. It has the Qt stuff added to it for the lucid pet.
I mention this because it might be useful to anyone trying to make or compile a newer VLC for Lucid--to use the build parameters from the vlc-1.1.5-w5 vlc.
The Official Release of Lucid 5.25 (Lucid Five Twenty-Five)
Posted: Sat 11 Jun 2011, 12:34
by Billtoo
I made an sfs of the latest vlc-1.1.10, it's large at 42mb but it
contains the qt473 libs that vlc needs to work.
It needs the xorg-high driver installed from quickpet or the nvidia or
ati proprietary driver for your graphics card.
Maybe backup your savefile just to be safe.
The download link is:
http://www.datafilehost.com/download-075c652d.html
Posted: Sat 11 Jun 2011, 17:22
by playdayz
VLC-1.1.10
Billtoo Rulez!
"Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration." --Thomas Edison
I made a pet with a couple of tiny changes--now available in PPM
1. /usr/share/applications/vlc.desktop - Change exec from vlc %U to just vlc (otherwise vlc will try and fail to open %U--it will still start though)
2. also in vlc.desktop change icon from vlc to vlc.png (this is to make sure there is a menu icon in jwm)
3. copy vlc.png to /usr/local/lib/X11/mini-icons (this is to make sure there is a menu icon in jwm)
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... cid525.pet
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Posted: Sun 12 Jun 2011, 15:08
by playdayz
This is the final release of Seamonkey 2.1, compiled in lucid 5.2.5 for i686 cpu's and with the highest level of optimization (-O3). The 4009 score is for Seamonkey 2.1 compiled with -march=amdfam10--that is, for AMD Phenoms. The 3751 score is for the i686 version of Seamonkey 2.1--which is the one available here. The generic version scores in the low 3600's. The generic version of Firefox 4.0.1 also scores in the low 3600's. Seamonkey 2.0.14 lags well behind.) This Seamonkey 2.1 works in both Lucid and Slacko.
Seamonkey 2.1 (no dbus) ->
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... 1-i686.pet
You can compile Seamonkey for your cpu with the instructions for compiling Firefox (
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67756). You can get the seamonkey source from
http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla ... ce.tar.bz2 You need to change the configure command to
Code: Select all
# ./configure --enable-application=suite --prefix=/usr
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Posted: Sun 12 Jun 2011, 16:14
by Béèm
playdayz,
I did already install different SeaMonkey's in different directories from the corresponding binary tar and always could execute them by clicking on the seamonkey-bin.
But not with the final 2.1
After having taking care of the missing lib's clicking on 2.1's seamonkey-bin opens the installed 2.0.14
I am puzzled.
Posted: Sun 12 Jun 2011, 19:13
by playdayz
playdayz,
I did already install different SeaMonkey's in different directories from the corresponding binary tar and always could execute them by clicking on the seamonkey-bin.
But not with the final 2.1
After having taking care of the missing lib's clicking on 2.1's seamonkey-bin opens the installed 2.0.14
In Lucid 5.2.5? Or Slacko? I haven't found any missing libs in either 5.2.5 or Slacko???
I have been starting them by clicking on the seamonkey in each directory and not on seamonkey-bin. However, if 2.0.14 was already running, then clicking on the seamonkey in any directory would start another instance of 2.0.14. That happened to me yesterday. Could that be it?
usb flashing
Posted: Sun 12 Jun 2011, 20:49
by cowboy
On one machine, I boot from Live CD, with a savefile on an interior HD. I also have a usb stick plugged in from time to time with nothing but data, and a USB hard drive attached that I use for backups.
With Lucid 5.2.5, I notice that both the USB stick and the external HD lights flash, constantly. Doesn't happen on 5.2 or with 5.1.1. I'm assuming some soft of check is being done on the drives, and that is what I'm seeing. Might anyone have any ideas to prevent the flashing or read on these external drives?
EDIT and ADDED: Actually, happens with 5.1.1, 5.2, and newest slacko. Appears to just be something to do with USB drives. IF I have a stick in, and boot up, this occurs, even on the always present USB hard drive. IF I boot up without the USB stick, the USB hard drive is quiet. Don't understand it, but it doesn't seem too big a deal. Now, back to your regularly scheduled program.
seamonkey 2.1
Posted: Sun 12 Jun 2011, 20:52
by cowboy
Playdayz
Seamonkey 2.1 is something. The speed difference feels remarkable.
Re: serial mouse?
Posted: Mon 13 Jun 2011, 13:00
by Jades
Janko Weber wrote:The main trouble I have is that mostly serial mouse does not work if desktop is loaded.
I'm a little confused as to why you're using a serial mouse, I've probably missed the reason. Does your machine not have PS/2 ports?
Posted: Mon 13 Jun 2011, 13:27
by Jades
Brown Mouse wrote:I have found that I'm unable to mount a 4.7gb DVD-R containing photos in Puppy 5.25 and 5.20.
Does that machine also run Windows and if it does can it read the disc in it? Reason I ask is that my K6 2 machine has a Hitachi GD-5000 DVD-ROM, and it came out before the 4.7GB DVD-R standard was released and therefore can't read them.
Posted: Mon 13 Jun 2011, 14:35
by Brown Mouse
Jades wrote:Brown Mouse wrote:I have found that I'm unable to mount a 4.7gb DVD-R containing photos in Puppy 5.25 and 5.20.
Does that machine also run Windows and if it does can it read the disc in it? Reason I ask is that my K6 2 machine has a Hitachi GD-5000 DVD-ROM, and it came out before the 4.7GB DVD-R standard was released and therefore can't read them.
Jades
Yes, that's the odd thing.Even without the disc being closed off as Minnesota suggested,the disc can be read in Win7 and also my Win xp setup on the same computer..
Posted: Mon 13 Jun 2011, 19:49
by playdayz
I just noticed that
Puppy is #8 in Distrowatch,and a healthy #8, well ahead of #9. After the release of 5.2.5 I quit checking DW so this is a very pleasant surprise--I had just assumed we went back down to 9. This means Puppy has climbed from 10 to 8 in the last year. Everyone who has participated in Lucid has had a hand in that. And not only Lucid but Wary and Quirky as well. Congratulations to us all.
Oh, and I saw something else too. Congratulations to prit and runtt21.
Posted: Tue 14 Jun 2011, 13:09
by majorfoo
Thanks for the new seamonkey 2.1.
I removed seamonkey 2.011 from my hd install and installed the new 2.1 version. Works great and very fast.
majorfoo
Posted: Wed 15 Jun 2011, 04:29
by DM was on fire!
Hi guys. I don't feel up to going through this many pages of stuff lol
Am I the only one who has an issue typing on OpenBox unless my caps lock is on?
I mean, I'm very likely to install Xfce on here assuming it will will work, but it's still a little unnerving. The sole reason I picked OpenBox as my WM is I don't like JWM. I find it ugly. lol
ETA - Had the issue after about twenty minutes on Xfce 4.4. :\