(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

" i know this is old now, but some of us still like this puppy! "
2013 is not old. Would you buy a car each time a new version is released ?
Wary 5.5 fits the needs of my computer.
That is a little agression in this forum when we post about Puppies we are still using on our computers. we are not rich enough to buy computers to use firmware available in Newest puppies.
Viva Wary, Viva Racy, and i must precise Racy 5.3 not 5.5, which only run vesa.
I am Old, I don't use àphones (only as phone), windows 10, skype and solar oil. I use Puppy, not Ubuntu. No Mac.
Some people ask us to destroy our old computers. Because we are asking questions on old puppies.
Soon they will trash old users, our young developers for who DVD is vintage, but not Blue ray

Lupu kernel is too new (i686) for this circa-1997 WinNT/Win95 Pentium with MMX laptop.
Works fine except for the floppy controller, right mouse button, and onboard speaker.

Wary i586 kernel with Xorg (Xvesa produces vertical green stripes).
Segfaults with Opera, but lynx and qtweb and even seamonkey work (with swapping to disk).
Segfaults with ffplay, smtube, and mplayer2, but mplayer works (MMX)
Sound works! Crystal 4237B. (Speaker or amp dead but headphone jack is good).

I put in two EDO RAMs marked 32MB each and got 125MB (plus video RAM - 1024x768x16).
Holds a 12mm 18GB hard disk (instead of the 4.1 it was sold with).

Very nice screen. Keyboard feels like standalone keyboard of that era.

13.3" non-glare screen. ONLY 1.5" thick and 5.3-6.4lb. Rugged. One USB port. Two PCMCIA.

40MB RAM used if I kill ROX-filer and a few things in network tray. Swaps to disk an awful lot.

Works with a Linksys WPA-supporting PCMCIA wifi card wireless G.

It makes a nice radio using mplayer and an iPhone 4 dock with a cable. Or headphones.

I can watch movies at 240p using movgrab and then mplayer (but youtube videos will not pipe
to mplayer because youtube now uses https and mplayer does not do SSL). 360p is jerky and out of sync.
(360p works nicely at 1GHz).

Puppy 4.1.2-based Pulp01 uses about 15MB less RAM (GTK1 only) but will not work with any of my wifi cards that do WPA.
It is a lot snappier.

It could use wired ethernet but the laptop is intended for someone paranoid to use at the library for email.

He also wants CAD so I installed MicroXP (2008) with a free Windows CAD program. OS 200MB + swap

If he likes this setup we will try to unplug his drifting-cursor trackpad and install to his
'DELL Latitude C-something' with the eraser-head mouse.

Would a bare-bones Wary use less RAM?

Wary also worked on an 800MHz Toshiba where Lupu failed (no sound, I think).

poweroff or reboot Wary 5.5 (mostly about sound) and need to use the power button, but it boots normally next time.

Wary 5.1.2 shuts down and shuts off the computer as expected. Is there any major reason to use 5.5 instead?

Both work properly with sound and wifi.

Baby Barebones Wary 5.3 works with wifi but seems to lack sound drivers.

Pulp (4.1.2) won't work with my WPA wifi cards. I tried adding firmware.

The computer does not support framebuffer.

Qtweb tends to use 150% of RAM but otherwise everything works. Links2 graphical (in X) works but only at some websites. Not good with SSL (ebay, mail). Slimboat uses more RAM. Opera segfaults.

I did a manual frugal install of a Racy-5.5 remaster that I made
sometime ago, forget when.

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Thu 25 May 2017 on Racy Puppy 5.5 Linux 3.0.66 i686
0.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1)
oem: NVIDIA
product: GF108 Board - 1071v1p1 Chip Rev

X Server: Xorg Driver: nvidia
X.Org version: 1.11.0
dimensions: 3840x1080 pixels (1049x292 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GT 430/PCIe/SSE2
OpenGL version string: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 381.22

Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz
Core 0: @2500 1: @2500 MHz

I added a newer Seamonkey + the latest proprietary nvidia driver.
Also compiled gkrellm + the cpu frequency plugin.

It's working well.

Hi all,

Went back down memory lane and spent past few evenings giving Puppy Racy 5.5 an up-to-date refresh.

Updated glibc, openssl, and various libs, installed latest Palemoon & JWM Desktop Manager (from Radky), updated abiword, then I added add'l GTK & JWM themes. After those, I installed Oscartalk's excellent MPlayer (that's it in 2nd pic smoothly playing a large hi-def 1080i mp4 file---1st pic is youtube playing in full screen glory), and then little final touches of conky, some games, SMtube-downloader, Htop, Firewall-tray monitor, Sakura terminal, PupSnapScreenCapture, UExtract, SFS-Load-On_Fly, and Zarfy (to control my dual monitors).......and, well, who ever said the old dogs can't run with the new? Sure isn't the case here with an up-to-date Puppy Racy

Not sure if this is the correct thread to post on, but here goes.

I was given an old Sony Vaio Laptop from 2005, 1.7GHz, 80Gb and 2Gb of maxed out RAM and thought Puppy Linux would be perfect to revive this ageing laptop, which it has. Not used Puppy for some years, but thought I would install Racy-5.5 as I always preferred the true Puppie's. What’s more, I was delighted to find an up to date (2019) browser Palemoon with a big thanks to ‘watchdog’ for this.

Really enjoyed using Puppy again especially with a modern browser, but was wondering what sort of user base Racy/Wary has nowadays. While I don't have any coding skills I do have some web development skills so I thought I though I could create a website along the lines of 412collection, although I may be a bit late to the party with this one.

Any thoughts Puppy Users?

Wary-Racy are evergreeen puppies. I often boot them: I'm happy with them and they have a lot of dedicated software. Thanks for supporting Wary-Racy.

You can find Palemoon 28.7.1 for wary-racy at:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 93#1035893

It's working without any need of the glib upgrade required for palemoon 28.7.0.

@ tuxtoo:-

Another 'thumbs-up' here for Racy 5.5.

With regard to your post on the previous page about FireTray for Thunderbird, in Racy I run a 'portable' version I put together of TBird 45. It's been slightly 'hacked-about' to remove the updater stuff, 'cos if you allow this to update to first TBird 52, then 60, it 'breaks' at every turn, and requires no end of arsing-about to get it running again properly. Racy doesn't like Firefox/Thunderbird 52 onwards, because of the GTK3 requirements.....there's too much Mozilla stuff that leans heavily on this, and Racy just won't run GTK3 stuff properly, it seems.

FireTray is one extension I can't do without. It worked fine in 45 from the add-ons site, prior to the Web-API 'upgrade' when FF-Quantum was released. It continued to work OK through TB 52, then when TBird 60 was released it 'broke'. I found the new version somebody had put together via links from the Mozillazine forum, and once again it was working.

Now with the release of TBird 68 it's broken again..... So I'm sticking with 45 & 60 throughout the kennels. The only really new stuff that 68 offers is 'bling'-based (new dark themes - wooo), plus a load of 'handling' upgrades for folks that insist on running the POP3 protocol, and keeping every single email they've ever received on their own machines.

Who the hell needs to keep an old e-mail from 15 years ago? I regularly 'prune' my e-mail a/cs, and only keep the occasional important one in a dedicated 'Archive' folder.....

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You can find the 'portable' version of Thunderbird-45.8.0 here, complete with in-built glibc219 tweak (borrowed from watchdog!):-

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i9KIJX ... sp=sharing

It's completely self-contained, and, as with the Palemoon portable, you follow the same procedure. Unzip it, move the resulting 'thunderbird32' directory anywhere you want, and fire it up from the 'tb' script within. First run creates & populates the internal profile directory. Second and subsequent starts via the script will always start it using that 'internal' profile.

As mentioned, the version of Firetray that works with TB 45 is no longer available. However, I've a copy of the .xpi file, which you can find here:-

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16UEWkC ... sp=sharing

I'm assuming you know how to install an .xpi file.....

(I also run quite a bit of up-to-date stuff from a Tahrpup chrooted 'jail' in Racy - again, with inspiration from, and thanks to, watchdog - but that's a tale for another day.....)

BTW:- A 'collection' for Racy sounds like a good idea, mate. Definitely, yes.


Mike.

Mike and Watchdog

Thanks for the feedback and thumbs up for Racy-5.5, so it looks like I better get busy with Bluefish, Gimp and Filezilla. Just remember guys, I'm not a member of the clever mob, so just be aware this web site won't magically appear tomorrow with a full compliment Racy pets. Although I am working on it.

Question: Do you guys have Wary/Racy pets that I could have access to for inclusion on the website. Obviously, Palemoon and Thunderbird 45 Portable will be included.

Mike,

Thanks for TB 45 and Firetray, you're a star. I was using TB12 with the 'Minimize to Tray' plugin which works along the same lines as Firetray and I particularly like that it is a portable version.

Also like the idea of pruning old emails and putting the important ones in an archive folder, IMAP of course.

@ tuxtoo:-

Christ, I've got no end of stuff that runs OK in Racy. Leave it with me; I'll see if I can put a list together for you.

It may take a while...! Monday's my general shopping day; I look after Mama full-time (spinal arthritis - not nice), and I tend to try and get a lot of stuff done Mondays.

I'll try and list these by categories, and give you links wherever possible. Many of these will be my own packages; where I can find the forum links, I'll put you straight onto them. Otherwise it'll be links to my Google Drive & MediaFire a/cs.

Fredx181 (of the Debian 'Dogs' fame) is a huge fan of 'portable', run-anywhere apps, as am I. So a number of these will be these new-fangled AppImages - Fred's put together some scripts that permit turning any Puppy app into an AppImage, or a self-extracting script. They work very well, too.

Don't forget, there's also the main Ibiblio repo for Wary, nearly all of which will run in Racy, too:-

http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pe ... ges-wary5/

(Racy doesn't get its own page, 'cos it's essentially a 'souped-up' Wary...)

OK with you?


Mike.

Mike,

Absolutely no rush, I care for my wife full time; Lupus for 30 plus years, so know where you are coming from.

As to your Racy stuff, fantastic. I intend to store stuff on Google Drive using direct links for folks to download and a few Dropbox a/c's. If its okay with you any links you give me for your Google Drive I can link directly to them or put them on my own Google Drive and Dropbox a/c's to save using your bandwidth although I 'm not sure of Google Drive's bandwidth allowance, but imagine it will be pretty generous.

Many thanks for the help.

@ tuxtoo:-

Re-read my previous post; I was adding some extra stuff while you were posting..!

I take the view that Mikeslr does; that the only really essential things to try & keep up-to-date are those that are web-facing - browsers, e-mail clients, chat clients.....anything like that. Otherwise, who cares if other apps aren't the newest versions? If they work, and do what you want.....that's fine by me.

Racy's still a very usable Puppy, and there's still a lot of old hardware out there that would benefit from a good collection of applications for it.

Let's see how it goes, shall we?


Mike.

Mike,

Agree with the sentiment, that the only really essential things to try & keep up-to-date are those that are web-facing - browsers, e-mail clients, chat clients.....anything like that.

I have copied Palemoon and TB 45 Portable to my own Google Drive/Dropbox a/c's and will do the same with any other pets you guys make available to me. Racy is a very good OS and still very usable especially with the web-facing packages you guys put together keeping this OS alive which is what I also hope to do in my own small way.

Every time I boot into Racy the printer definition that I set up for a Brother printer (with downloaded definition files) is gone and I need to start the CUPS wizard over again. On a 2007 HP DV5000.

Does anyone else have this problem?

I end up using Lupu2016 to list on ebay and Racy with PM 28 to print shipping labels (which PM 27 will no longer do).

I do not have this printer problem with Lupu2016. Later puppies do not work with the DV5000 due to nvidia video (which may also be responsible for the lack of images in my ebay listings, which I can see in Racy on a still older DELL laptop M600).

never mind I need sleep! I was reading it as a hp printer to start with. I can't help with brother specifically.

?but you are setting your cups up correctly, arn't you?

go into the cups menu http://localhost:631/printers/ and check that under Printers, that your brother printer appears under it's own name, it should be there as a second line with the first being CUPS-PDF.

OH, and check /tmp/xerrs.log for messages relating to it, boith after adding the printer, after sending it a test page and after rebooting.

I'll hang around for about an hour, checking about every 5 min in case I can help.

do i need hp drivers for brother printer
on hp laptop?
the same files work in lupu

xerrs.log shows that it was not possible to load nv or fbdev (framebuffer) modules. Nothing about printers.

When I boot freshly and try to print from any app, the Brother is not listed. I discovered I do not need to run the CUPS wizard to reinstall it each time. I start the wizard, when it asks whether I want to add a printer NO, it continues to the CUPS page, which I remove. Without installing anything the Brother printer is now listed. I don't think I did anything differently with debbi and dpkg in Lupu and in Racy. Anyway, this is a minor nuisance now.

Wary video did not work correctly.

Debiandog versions refused to save changes. (I have similar problems on a DELL B130 but the only changes not saved are browser settings).

I can upload and view images in PM 28.7 in Racy on a DELL 600M, but on the dv5000 I am told the images are corrupt and should be removed. The listings are accepted anyway. When I view my listings with Lupu, the images are there. Something to do with nvidia?

Eventually I will find time to replace my 2007 HP dv5000 with a 2006 DELL or IBM Thinkpad. The dv5000 has an excellent keyboard, a button to turn off the mouse so it does not act like I touched it when my thumb is an inch away, and nice sound, but the screen keeps going dim in terminal mode.
It is much faster than other laptops its age. Nividia is the only real problem. Racy has saved the day.

Thanks for all the help.

xerr.log had something about cupsd scheduler.
I can see my printer definitions after typing cupsd.
I added /usr/sbin/cupsd to /etc/rc.d/rc.local but that did not start cups.

Is there a simpler/easier way to get the printer to work besides typing cupsd every time I boot before printing?

Printing works ok for me in wary and racy using a brother laser printer and hp inkjet printers. I use the original wary and racy without glibc upgrade and palemoon glibc tweaked.

@ sindi:-

I can't help wondering whether Google's 'CloudPrint' would work? (On reflection, no, it wouldn't; you still need to have the printer working 'locally' before that'll 'do its thing'...)

What say you, watchdog?


Mike.