IcePuppy-014 for newer and Ice Puppy-015 for older computers

Message

gcmartin · #161 Post by **gcmartin** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 15:37

I run LIveCD ONLY.

Wow this is fast! 005 is on desktop 4GB AMD X2 and also on laptop (posted earlier). Speedwise, This is just flat-out way beyond any 32bit PUP I've used, ever, on these 2 systems. All peripheral working without any issues; namely sound card features, USBs recognized, etc. ... Just everything is popping to the screen very, very fast.

You asked about battery and tray. I have battery icon and all seems well on the laptop that I post. And, my laptop temp is 44 degrees.

Hope this helps.
(Enjoy this day, Everyone!)

pemasu · #162 Post by **pemasu** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 15:45

Marco07. There is no use the change that * in script. It means that any name is ok for it. It wil recognize your BAT0 ok. But is there data in your state file. Please go to the file location and open the state file. Is there battery information inside ?
About that low volume, did you right click retrovol > full window and all master, speaker and PCM are on right side.
If yes, sorry, dont have the answer to the problem atm.

marco07 · #163 Post by **marco07** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 16:01

Here is the content of my state file:
present: yes
capacity state: ok
charging state: discharging
present rate: 16163 mW
remaining capacity: 42400 mWh
present voltage: 11504 mV

Regarding sound, yes everthing is on the right side! Should they be here or on the left side? Because the Title on the right side says, inactive sliders.

pemasu · #164 Post by **pemasu** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 16:20

Marco07. I am about clueless, everything looks so right with your posts. But still it does not work. Well try this pet. It has been compiled in Ice Puppy.

AND.....Ice Puppy-006 has been released. It is now more conservative and should be more wide spectrum in specs than previous Higmem + PAE versions. I hope that incompatibility issues are lesser now.
Also I hope that compiling proprietary graphics drivers dont stop in stubborn frame buffer drivers.

pemasu · #165 Post by **pemasu** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 16:29

Ice Puppy-006 is the latest Highmem + PAE version. It is more conservative than 005. No preemptive rt latency, no group scheduling, timer frequency 1000 Hz > 300 Hz.
But it is/has Tickless, SMP, Multi core scheduling, Hyperthreading, recognizes cores up to 8 so it is still new laptop/desktop friendly, but more useful to the older comps also. It has support for extended x86 platforms so should support almost everything, AMD Elan included.
Frame buffer modules reduced now to fbcon and vesa fb.
But the device drivers is still redundant. Almost everything is supported which you can insert inside or outside PC. Well, of course it is restricted to what this kernel supports.

#166 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 16:31

So I tried the 005 on my Medion 8818 desktop.
There I could boot to the desktop, albeit in 800x600 (automatically)
I was able to configure X at the usual 1024x768 tho.

But the USB support is weird.

I have a USB stick plugged in.
I can mount it.
But if I go to pupscan and tick USB there is says no USB devices plugged in.

My WiFi device is a USB also. RT73USB
It isn't detected and even when I do a modprobe for the rt73usb module it seems to load ok, but it doesn't give me my network device which is normally wlan0.

But I realize now, that I better do the test again with the 006.
Have to download it yet.

pemasu · #167 Post by **pemasu** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 16:52

Beem. I Havent used pupscan much. But now I checked the pupscan script. It has same problem as thermal information. Luckily I was now aware of the reason.
/proc/bus/usb does not exist anymore. Pupscan searches the usb devices from nonexistent location. The location is now /sys/bus/usb.
Pupscan script needs to be remade so that it will work with usb devices.
Coders et al, please help.............
The usb scanning section consists of so many bash letters that I would need extended bash book to understand what is there, lol.

Anyway /proc/acpi will will be removed in next stable kernel version, if I can count on information in kernel compiling help tables, when I clicked them open during compiling.
So there really is soon time to reorganize some puppy scripts if we want them to work with newer kernels.

Billtoo · #168 Post by **Billtoo** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 17:56

Frugal install of icepuppy 06 on acer desktop.

Computer
Processor 4x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Memory 8234MB (142MB used)
Operating System Puppy Linux 0.00
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Sun 24 Apr 2011 01:36:26 PM EDT
Display
Resolution 1280x1024 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Multimedia
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
Input Devices
Power Button
Power Button
PC Speaker
Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse
Microsoft Microsoft® 2.4GHz Transceiver v6.0
Microsoft Microsoft® 2.4GHz Transceiver v6.0
Microsoft Microsoft® 2.4GHz Transceiver v6.0
Acer IR Receiver
Operating System
Version
Kernel Linux 2.6.38.2 (i686)
Compiled #1 SMP Sun Apr 24 15:33:55 EEST 2011
C Library GNU C Library version 2.11.1 (stable)
Default C Compiler Unknown
Distribution Puppy Linux 0.00

I tried to install the nvidia driver but although it seemed to go okay
it didn't work.

sh-4.1# glxgears
1818 frames in 5.0 seconds
2356 frames in 5.0 seconds
2319 frames in 5.0 seconds
2347 frames in 5.0 seconds
sh-4.1# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Ice Puppy, version 006

Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: G84 Board - p402h00 Chip Rev

Driver used by Xorg:

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: Depth:

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video

#169 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 18:10

pemasu wrote:Beem. I Havent used pupscan much. But now I checked the pupscan script. It has same problem as thermal information. Luckily I was now aware of the reason.
/proc/bus/usb does not exist anymore. Pupscan searches the usb devices from nonexistent location. The location is now /sys/bus/usb.
Pupscan script needs to be remade so that it will work with usb devices.
Coders et al, please help.............
The usb scanning section consists of so many bash letters that I would need extended bash book to understand what is there, lol.

Anyway /proc/acpi will will be removed in next stable kernel version, if I can count on information in kernel compiling help tables, when I clicked them open during compiling.
So there really is soon time to reorganize some puppy scripts if we want them to work with newer kernels.

So that's why I have the weird USB issue?
I tried 006 and have the same. Even loading the rt73usb through the classical netw wizard loads the module but don't give a network device.
If of any help, I include the output of lsusb:

Code: Select all

Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0424:2602
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04b8:0806
Bus 001 Device 010: ID 0718:0639
Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0bc7:0006

But there is some strange also for the internal HDD.
There are 2 partitions and in all other puppy's they are sda1 and sda5
Here they are sdc1 and sdc5.
The HDD is a sata drive.
When plugged a USB stick it is sdb1, which is correct. I can mount and use it.

So there is still some work to do on devices support.

I also installed spup 100 and got no problems. Internet connection was ok.

pemasu · #170 Post by **pemasu** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 18:26

Thanks Beem. I am convinced. I will inspect the usb section. And compare the specs to the Snow Puppy ones. Probably I have left something as static as they should be all modules.
About HDD detection. That is weird. Cant say anything right now.

Billtoo. I am sorry. I thought the problem was solved. But still it needs some tinkering in graphics section also.

pemasu · #171 Post by **pemasu** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 19:32

Yeah, there was static tick in usb branch when it should have been all modules, the whole usb section. Well, that might have affected to the outcome, but not sure of that /proc/bus/usb situation though.
The old thermal information way was definetely obsolete and not existing anymore.
About graphics, I am still a little in mist still. I went through whole graphics section and could not find anything wrong. Maybe that extended x86 platform was mistake. I will take it down to the general x86 support and optimize for Intel Atom again. But those other top speed optimizations I leave out. I will go more streamline now, closer to Snow Puppy and Fluppy in those specs, like in 006. I wont change those parameters which were announced for 006. 005 will be the ultimate speed version atm.

Ray MK · #172 Post by **Ray MK** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 19:47

Hi pemasu

do not use 006 on Acer TM243LC

care may be needed with other basic laptops too.
sends temp off the scale (even b4 it boots)

wont boot - gets stuck at line under
initrd
showing res?
then drops to flashing cursor
have to hard power down (ie pull the plug)

then when rebooting into another puppy
fan is running full blast for approx 30 sec's.
until puppy boots and loads to a fully
populated desktop.

then ok - but temp showing at 60C+
returns to normal 45/48C ok. (panic over - phew)

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

So for me 005 is the one so far.

Thanks again for all your efforts

Very best regards - Ray

nooby · #173 Post by **nooby** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 20:07

Pemasu my gear are too different and I am too confused so I set this thread to not follow now to not make your life a mess

I tested ice6 and worked better than Beem my usb mouse and usb keyboard worked and all except the thermal thing. I did all the urxvt and it toitally failed. So I wait until somebody with same gear has success. Every Acer are different.

#174 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 20:41

RAY MK, don't panic. My CPU goes regularly to 90°C.
Still alive and kicking.

pemasu · #175 Post by **pemasu** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 20:47

Beem. My wholehearted thanks. I got usb working right. Even pupscan shows now my usb devices. There was one static tick in usb section and changing that as module was the needed change. Now usb should work right. I also went back to the generic x86 platform. Any other is still the same. I harvested the whole device drivers section for checking static and modular ticks. Hundreds of them and tried to make them have same look all over. I just dont have concentration to check through whole thousands of options. Making new kernel and testing and again debugging is easier for me.

I am reuploading 006 now.
Thanks.

Ray MK. Your experience made me revert back to the generic x86. No extended platform support, lol.
About temperature. When I compile kernel make -j4 aka quad core at full speed, i get easily 90 - 100 c temps. At 105 c, my laptop shuts the power, and believe it has happened, when I didnt remember to shut my dual graphics ati card, it produces extra heat.
When I just browse the net, I have about 40 - 50 c.
Well, soon I have tested all the options in the kernel, lol.

#176 Post by **BÃ©Ã¨m** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 20:54

Glad to be of help, pemasu.
I'll look into the new one.
How long will it take to upload?

pemasu · #177 Post by **pemasu** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 20:58

Ice Puppy-006 has been reuploaded with usb recognition fix and generic x86 option.

James C · #178 Post by **James C** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 21:27

Can't do much testing this afternoon....more storms and the power keeps going off. That said, Ice Puppy 006 (first version) live pfix=ram on yet another old P4.

Everything works on initial boot, internet,sound and display (1440x900).

-Computer-
Processor : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.80GHz
Memory : 1022MB (195MB used)
Operating System : Puppy Linux 0.00
User Name : root (root)
Date/Time : Sun 24 Apr 2011 04:18:44 PM CDT
-Display-
Resolution : 1440x900 pixels
OpenGL Renderer : Software Rasterizer
X11 Vendor : The X.Org Foundation
-Multimedia-
Audio Adapter : ICH4 - Intel ICH5
Audio Adapter : CMI8738-MC6 - C-Media CMI8738
-Input Devices-
AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse
Power Button
Power Button
PC Speaker
-Printers (CUPS)-
CUPS-PDF
pdf_writer : <i>Default</i>
-SCSI Disks-
ATA ST3120813AS
HP CD-Writer cd16f
LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S

VGA compatible controller : nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a1)
Multimedia audio controller : C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
Ethernet controller : ADMtek NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11)

# glxgears
259 frames in 5.0 seconds
296 frames in 5.0 seconds
282 frames in 5.0 seconds
314 frames in 5.0 seconds
396 frames in 5.0 seconds
276 frames in 5.0 seconds

# free

total used free shared buffers
Mem: 1022072 639036 383036 0 72424
Swap: 2150396 0 2150396
Total: 3172468 639036 2533432
#

This is my Windows 7,PCLOS and Lucid 525 box which usually runs a cpu temp in the middle 30's....temp is hanging in the mid 40's and higher. Not a big deal but thought I'd mention it.
Now to download the "new" 006.

pemasu · #179 Post by **pemasu** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 21:31

James C. I am convinced that the extended platform choice was not good.
Reuploaded 006 is now even more conversative.

gcmartin · #180 Post by **gcmartin** » Sun 24 Apr 2011, 22:29

I am NOT a Linux system builder. I have NO experience in Linux system building, at all. But, I do have a "vague" knowledge of its process.

That being said, I did see this thread as was wondering if this might make the task of generating a system any easier. I am wondering how many of the things that are experieced here were solved by 5.2.5?

playdayz wrote: ... This is all Barry's Woof--just a subset of it, tailored to build an exact or variant copy of Lucid 5.2.5. The packages are already downloaded and built exactly as in Lucid 5.2.5, so all a person has to do to build Lucid 5.2.5 is start Woof, choose the kernel, and Build.

It seems useful for experimenting with different kernels too, because all one needs to do there is to put the new kernel.pet into packages-pets and then it will show up and be used when choosing the kernel.

No reply needed. If it helps anyone, it helps.

Hope this helps

(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

IcePuppy-014 for newer and Ice Puppy-015 for older computers

FAST!

MD8818 icepuppy 005 and USB devices

IcePuppy-003 and 006 RHE release Really Highly Experimental