Fatdog64-511

[Billtoo]

Billtoo, thanks, but I think kirk has also compiled geany 0.20 with all its plugins....

oops, I should have checked the repo first.

[Bruce_n_Duane]

Two Firefoxes on new FatDog 511 install???????

Just installed FatDog 511 as frugal install in Intel Core2 64-bit computer.

There appears to be two Firefox's. (Namoroka)
One accessible from the desktop icons both on the desktop and from the bottom panel. This Firefox will not import or export the bookmarks and can not read an html file on the hard disk. I added 10 Addons to this firefox.

Second accessible by clicking on an HTML file.
If I use ROX file manager to show a directory with the exported Stardust Bookmarks in an html file, a new copy of Firefox appears which can import/export/and read html files on the hard disk. Only "FTP Upload" extension appears in the Tools==>Addons display and none of the other 10 extension above appear.

Question:
How do I get the second firefox version to be my default for the icons?

Why is this happening?

Why do they have separate extension and bookmark files?

Thanks in advance for the help.

This FatDog is FAST!!!! The fastest puppy yet!!

Duane wants to make this his default Puppy, if Firefox can be fixed, replacing MINT Linux.

-Edit See Jamesbond and our post below for solution.

-Bruce and Duane.

[jamesbond]

Bruce/Duane, there aren't two Firefoxes on Fatdog. There is only one. But one is associated with the user spot (a non-root user), and the other is associated with root user (the default user in most puppies, including Fatdog).

kirk designed Fatdog with security in mind, and he figured out that the biggest risk comes from network-based programs. To reduce this risk, all network-based programs (including Firefox) will not run as the default root user, but it will run as the non-root limited "spot" user. This is what you get when you click the Firefox icon on the desktop, or the browser icon on the taskbar.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view), "spot" being a limited user, means that there are a lot of places that it cannot (or not allowed) to access. Depending on where you store you HTML files, they may be located in a folder that spot cannot access - thus, from your point of view, Firefox cannot display those pages.

When you open rox and click an HTML page, the same Firefox will be launched - and this time it will run under the default root user. (I'm not sure whether this is an oversight of kirk, or whether he intends to do it this way). And of course, being the root user (=superuser, alias administrator), this particular Firefox will have power to read/write anything to the system (which, if there is a security flaw, makes it more dangerous because it can modify any part of the system without you knowing it).

Linux, being a multi-user system, can store two completely different profiles for each user - and this is what happens with Firefox. There is only one, but it can run under the identity of "spot" or "root" (or other users, if you know how to create them). Each Firefox will run with completely different profile. That's why any extensions you add with Firefox running as spot, will not be visible from Firefox running as root (and vice versa).

Have I confused you enough?

Now, if you want to have the "second" Firefox as your default browser (I suppose the one with the abilility to read HTML pages from anywhere in the filesystem - that is the one running under root), it's very easy.

With rox, navigate to the folder /usr/local/bin
Edit the file defaultbrowser and when you see the word firefox-spot, change that back to firefox.

Enjoy.

[radky]

The PupSnap screen capture program is now available as a 64-bit version for Fatdog64.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=61361

[Bruce_n_Duane]

Thank you Jamesbond!!!!

I can completely follow your explanation.

This makes FatDog more secure by using spot.

As root I copied the Stardust-bookmark.HTML file to /root/spot directory.
In a rwxt terminal I did the following:
# cd spot
# chmod +r Stardust-bookmark.HTML
# chown spot.spot Stardust-bookmark.HTML
# exit
Thus changing the permissions to rw-r--r-- and the owner to spot.spot.

Then in the network (firefox-spot) I imported the bookmarks since it could now read the HTMP file because spot owned it.

Duane is now very, very happy as he has his bookmarks!!!

Thank you again Jamesbond for your great explanation.

-Bruce.

[Bruce_n_Duane]

Duane is using FatDog 511 in frugal install.

Sometimes it gets into a mode where it will only stay connected to wifi for about 1 minute. Other times he can be on for hours with the computer in the same location connected to the same wifi access point.

What information do you need to debug this or fix it?

We tried both the network connect and pwireless to connect to wifi and neither seemed to connect for more than a minute.

Right clicking on the twin monitor icon on the panel does not show wlan0 as and option and only lo. It considers wlan0 an ethernet connection when I added it.

Thanks for the help in advance.
-Bruce.

[WillM]

Thank you rcrsn51 for the printer drivers.
I installed hpijs_print_fd64-3.11.1 and this worked nicely.
With hplip_scan_fd64-3.11.1 I received an I/O error.
This printer is a HP PSC 1200 series.

(edit)This is a double post I misplaced the original on Fatdog64-500 thread..

[kn0w-b1nary]

I want to install fatdog on a new patition (/dev/sda4) on my PC, by doing a manual frugal install (I can't boot from USB and I can't burn CD's). I'm not sure though what to menuentry to add to Grub2.

Any help?

[WillM]

Hi kn0w-b1nary,

Your menu item would look something like this;

cat << EOF
menuentry "Fatdog64 511" {
set root=(hd0,4)
linux /fatdog511/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=fatdog511
initrd /fatdog511/initrd.gz
}
EOF

This is assuming you put your files in the sub folder fatdog511 at the root of the partition.

Add that menu item to /etc/grub.d/40_custom. Save the file. Then sudo update-grub

You could just add that to /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but if you ever update grub in the future you would lose that item. Actually that's what I do. Edit grub.cfg straight from Fatdog64. But it is not recommened.
Good Luck

[kn0w-b1nary]

Thanks WillM!

I made one modification:

cat << EOF
menuentry "Fatdog64 511" {
set root=(hd0,msdos4)
linux /fatdog511/vmlinuz pmedia=atahd psubdir=fatdog511
initrd /fatdog511/initrd.gz
}
EOF

But it works! Thx a lot!

[gcmartin]

A need has arisen where I would need to add the DEVX SFS to a running FATDOG LiveDVD system, I see a PET that seemingly might help with this task.

But, because of my lack of experience, here, I need advice from this community.

• How would I know if a PET has all the correct library(s) for use on FATDOG?
• When installing any PET what should I be looking for in adding an unofficial PET to FATDOG?

Thanks in advance.

[myke]

I admit haven't read through all the posts related to fatdog64 from the beginning.

I would like to know whether it would work to install amd64 versions of ubuntu or debian packages.and if so, what version of debian would be compatible (lenny, squeeze or sid)? I assume would download the dependencies before downloading apps.

I am looking for Emacs and cabextract in particular.

Thanks for including the keucr module. Fatdog64 flies on this machine.

TIA,
myke

[myke]

On another note, I wanted to make a call to my son in Switzerland but, unfortunately, even after fiddling with alsamixer, he couldn't hear me.

So, my question is: is there an app like retrovol in fatdog64?

TIA,
myke

[jamesbond]

Duane is using FatDog 511 in frugal install.

Sometimes it gets into a mode where it will only stay connected to wifi for about 1 minute. Other times he can be on for hours with the computer in the same location connected to the same wifi access point.

What information do you need to debug this or fix it?

We tried both the network connect and pwireless to connect to wifi and neither seemed to connect for more than a minute.

Right clicking on the twin monitor icon on the panel does not show wlan0 as and option and only lo. It considers wlan0 an ethernet connection when I added it.

Thanks for the help in advance.
-Bruce.

Hmmm, do you know what brand is your wireless card? Try this and see if it works (it works on mine)

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iwconfig wlan0 power off

Change wlan0 with the name of your wireless interface, of course.

[jamesbond]

I want to install fatdog on a new patition (/dev/sda4) on my PC, by doing a manual frugal install (I can't boot from USB and I can't burn CD's). I'm not sure though what to menuentry to add to Grub2.

Any help?

Sorry I don't use grub2 - so I can't help you. But there are others that have successfully used grub2 to boot other puppies. Fatdog boot parameters are (mostly) identical to other puppies.

[jamesbond]

A need has arisen where I would need to add the DEVX SFS to a running FATDOG LiveDVD system, I see a PET that seemingly might help with this task.

But, because of my lack of experience, here, I need advice from this community.

• How would I know if a PET has all the correct library(s) for use on FATDOG?

It's trial and error. It's the same for every other puppies.

• When installing any PET what should I be looking for in adding an unofficial PET to FATDOG?

Thanks in advance.

Ask the author whether the PET is 32-bit only, or 64-bit only, is it script-only or whether it contains binaries. If it's 32-bit only then you need the 32-bit compatibility library. If it's script only then the chance is it will work with Fatdog (and even if it doesn't, it's easier to fix it to work with Fatdog). Of course you can always ask the author whether he/she has tested the PET to run well in Fatdog

[jamesbond]

I would like to know whether it would work to install amd64 versions of ubuntu or debian packages.and if so, what version of debian would be compatible (lenny, squeeze or sid)? I assume would download the dependencies before downloading apps.

You'll just have to test, and it really depends on the packages and your luck. As a guideline, remember that the core of Fatdog was built between Feb - June 2010, so you should select packages from more or less the same era.

[jamesbond]

On another note, I wanted to make a call to my son in Switzerland but, unfortunately, even after fiddling with alsamixer, he couldn't hear me.

So, my question is: is there an app like retrovol in fatdog64?

TIA,
myke

We don't have retrovol in the repo. From your earlier post (where you mentioned keucr) I suppose your machine is some sort of eMachines (or netbook). I had the same problem with my eMachines, and this this is how I fixed it.
0) Launch alsamixer
a) Press [Tab] key once to move to "Capture" screen
b) Use left/right cursor keys to move highlight to the "Capture" item, preferably the one with "------" at the bottom of the volume slider
c) Press the magic key ==> [spacebar] and see those "-----" transformed into the word "capture".
d) Adjust volume sliders as needed
e) Try the skype echo test (if you used skype - if not, just call you son to test).

Good luck.

[myke]

Re: Mic (skype)

Thank you very much. I ran alsamixer in a terminal and followed your instructions and echo123 worked on skype.

Re: Packages

I tried to google but finally thought of distrowatch. I see by checking the libc file that fatdog64 uses 2.11.1 while Debian (sid, squeeze and lenny) use 2.11.2. However, by doing a search on distrowatch, ubuntu 10.04 LTS and ubuntu 10.04 derivatives all use 2.11.1 so I will try amd 64bit packages from ubuntu 10.04 repositories.

myke

[myke]

Re: cabextract

Was able to download the ubuntu 10.04 (lucid lynx) amd64 cabextract ubuntu package via the cabextract website and it worked - I used winetricks to download corefonts, which needed cabextract to install.

Re: emacs

Downloaded all the various packages making up the emacs amd64 installation and there was a conflict in the libdbus version.

Will try to compile either NotGNU emacs, mg or zile. (Or get a slackware package).

myke