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Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 21:07
by gabe
playdayz wrote:
Gnome-mplayer
Mplayer is also different in Lucid 5.2 development versions. You might check Prefeneces and set the Video to xv and postprocessing to maximum. In 5.1 you might download a newer mplayer from PPM: Multimedia.
I tested both 5.1.1 and Luci-238 (the one in the first post of this thread). Both versions of gnome-mplayer display the same problem. The files I've tested are AVC (H.264) and have embedded postprocessing--the player should NOT apply any of its own to AVC streams, ever! The speed in xv is barely different. Also, subtitle rendering is flawed on internal ssa subtitles (not a big deal, but playback is). GXine (Puppy 4.2 et al) is both orders of magnitudes faster and renders correctly without jaggies and graphical glitches. It is also extremely small and can play DVDs.

I will upload a sample file later if you really can't reproduce this (ANY AVC file, be it in mp4 or mkv, show this problem, and only on this player). Again, VLC works perfectly, and plays even HD video at full speed with correct subtitle rendering on my standard netbook with standard i945 gfx chipset.

Also, in case some people missed it last time, all puppy versions up to luci-236 (including 4.x, 5.1.1, etc) booted perfectly from USB with one click from Unetbootin and/or pendrivelinux Universal USB Installer.

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 21:27
by DaveS
239, JWM. Nah.. calender dont work :)

Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-239 New Version NOV 25

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 21:35
by Billtoo
I installed 239 to a flash drive with bootflash.
I installed the ati driver in quickpet and it works great.
# glxgears
19547 frames in 5.0 seconds
19590 frames in 5.0 seconds
19586 frames in 5.0 seconds
19599 frames in 5.0 seconds
19600 frames in 5.0 seconds
#
OpenGL
Vendor ATI Technologies Inc.
Renderer ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
Version 3.3.10243 Compatibility Profile Context
Direct Rendering Yes

I installed a few pets that I've made in the last few days and they
still work in 239 :)

Re: Lucid Puppy 5.2 Base Luci-239 New Version NOV 25

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 22:23
by abushcrafter
playdayz wrote:12. I just used my one hundredth CD in testing Lucid.
Ouch!

What about my goods I posted several pages back?

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 22:35
by gabe
Found the reason gnome-mplayer was abysmally slow AND why the video was rendered incorrectly (including all xvid/divx/x264/flv/etc).

De-interlace video was active by default. It should ONLY be activated (MANUALLY) for interlaced videos, and should absolutely NOT be selected by default. Post-processing also should not be activated by default -- it should be left up to the user if he/she wishes to eliminate all the detail in his/her videos and slow the player to a grinding halt. :(

These two options (post-processing and de-interlace) should not be enabled by default. And before you ask, yes--I do know what I'm talking about. Not only do I have great experience in encoding and video compression, but I can also thankfully monitor the fps of the video playback and CPU usage in htop. :)

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 22:54
by edoc
Luci-239 does not like the Intel 82852/855GM graphics in my Panasonic Toughbook CF-29.

I get a blank screen and can only break out with a cold reboot.

dpup009 and Luci-236 handle it fine.

Code: Select all

  # Linux bootable partition config begins
  title Puppy Linux luci_239 Frugal (on /dev/sda2)
  root (hd0,1)
  kernel (hd0,1)/luci_239/vmlinuz pfix=fsck PMEDIA=idehd PDEV1=sda2 psubdir=luci_239 acpi=noirq nosmp vga=normal video=640x480
  initrd (hd0,1)/luci_239/initrd.gz
  # Linux bootable partition config ends

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 22:56
by nooby
Gabe I guess it could help a lot of us if you describe how we can can also turn it off.

full install using frugal

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:00
by maxpro4u
When I booted for the first time with a frugal install, it is totally in ram, right? My C drive is not mounted. Can I format the C drive and do a full install if I have the iso on a USB drive? I do not have a burner nor will the pc boot with a USB. There is no floppy drive either.

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:18
by gabe
My graphics card:
"Intel Corporation 82845G/GL [Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)"
also experiences random crashes with "intel," and I haven't gotten it to test properly with "old i815" -- but it might work with that. The difference with the above poster is that mine crashes during runtime randomly (after watching a youtube video, for instance) but not at boot because I have GRUB4Dos in Linux Console mode. ;)
Gabe I guess it could help a lot of us if you describe how we can can also turn it off.
Oh, I was so busy reporting it (for development) hadn't considered people actually USING it. Sorry, sorry. Assuming you don't want to edit config files, go to Edit -> Preferences (in gnome mplayer).
Player tab
Drag the slider for "Post-procesing level" all the way to the left ("No postprocessing" should be reported).
Mplayer tab
Uncheck "Deinterlace video"

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:26
by edoc
Can I force a generic driver in GRUB?

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:27
by playdayz
gabe, We are happy to have your input. Would it be possible to provide links to a sample video or two so we could be looking at the same thing. Thanks.

Here are some files I test with, for comparison.

http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/mediatest.tar.gz

Sorry that I can't remember, but if you haven't you might try the Xorg_High driver available in Quickpet -> Drivers. It would provide dri for the intel chipset (or should). After install you can check with glxgears, glxinfo, or hardinfo -> Display to see the OpenGL info, as I'm sure you know.

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:36
by Brown Mouse
In 239

Installed correct Nvidia driver and Opera from Quickpet

Something not quite right with Pidgin.When you click a web link from within chat,it opens up the 'Browser installer'.

The 'Firewall status'icon seems to function correctly now after rebooting.

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:40
by playdayz
So symlink or anything just making a first time version of Luci_238 that a newbie would only installed a browser I chose FF 4.07

Next boot failed. and next boot failed too. They go to kernel panic.
Probably better to use luci-239.

So you boot with pfix=ram. Then you install FF 4b7. Then you Shutdown and in shutdown you create a save file? Then it will not reboot?

Perhaps, Shutdown and create a Save file before you install anything.

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:41
by playdayz
Brown Mouse
Something not quite right with Pidgin.When you click a web link from within chat,it opens up the 'Browser installer'.

Use the browser-default to make Opera the default browser. The pet (which I made) does not do that, unfortunately.

browser-default is the globe next to the menu button in the lower left.

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:45
by playdayz
What about my goods I posted several pages back?
Thanks for the contributions ;-) Maybe you can take them off your taxes.

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:45
by Brown Mouse
playdayz wrote:Brown Mouse
Something not quite right with Pidgin.When you click a web link from within chat,it opens up the 'Browser installer'.

Use the browser-default to make Opera the default browser. The pet (which I made) does not do that, unfortunately.

browser-default is the globe next to the menu button in the lower left.
Playdayz

Thanks,problem solved :)

Posted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 23:49
by playdayz
edoc,
Boot with the parameter 'pfix=nox'. That should boot to a prompt. At the prompt enter 'xorg-setup'. That will start the xorgwizard. Or enter xorgwizard twice==same result.

We have not changed any graphics since 236, but Barry may have changed something in Woof. I would like to know.

Posted: Fri 26 Nov 2010, 00:09
by edoc
No joy, pfix-nox made no difference, the blank screen was unresponsive.

Posted: Fri 26 Nov 2010, 00:15
by nooby
playdayz wrote:
Nooby wrote : So symlink or anything just making a first time version of Luci_238 that a newbie would only installed a browser I chose FF 4.07

Next boot failed. and next boot failed too. They go to kernel panic.
Playdayz suggests:

Probably better to use luci-239.

So you boot with pfix=ram. Then you install FF 4b7. Then you Shutdown and in shutdown you create a save file? Then it will not reboot?

Perhaps, Shutdown and create a Save file before you install anything.

would that really help I did try to be very basic using luci-239 so I doubt I did something wrong.

The cool thing is that Puppy Studio that are based on Lupu5.1.1 do boot each time but I have not tested more than two in a row.

Luci fail to boot each first time and most likely the second and only boot on third reboot.

What has changed in that regard that luci would be more problematic to boot compared to lupu?


I go to bed now so will not do any test for some 12 hour or more in case I go to big town to buy a statue of Guan Yin? Amida Buddha female counter part.

Posted: Fri 26 Nov 2010, 00:21
by ICPUG
DM was on fire! wrote:ICPUG, you will find that no matter what puplet you are running, they are all essentially the same on the inside. They might have different WMs or programs, but the base system is all the same. :)
The base system is not all the same! As woof develops the underlying scripts change, so a system based on woof as at November 2010 may be different to that based on woof at October 2010.

Then there are those puplets not based on woof at all but maybe T2 or maybe the puplet developer uses his own method/scripts.