Video editing for Puppy?

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Dougal · #16 Post by **Dougal** » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 14:51

sbaguz wrote:
Lobster wrote:I am interested Dougal - will give it a go
I'm also really interested in a Kino pup package with all needed dependancies... Or a LiVES one.

I actually uploaded it to MU's server on Dec 24th... I just never got around to writing the descriptions so didn't tell him to move the directory to it's correct place...

If you can log into dotpups.de via ftp, you can go into the "dougal" directory and you'll find in it the "kino" directory with everything.
If not, we'll need MU to move the files...

Nathan F · #17 Post by **Nathan F** » Tue 16 Jan 2007, 17:57

Grafpup-104 deluxe had Kino and Cinelerra both. I intend to do a repeat when I finally get the next one released, but don't expect that for some time still. I took a few months off from development but I'm back at it with a vengeance now.

Apart from just getting the base editor working you will also need a way to get the video into the computer. This usually means firewire and dvgrab. If anyone needs some help getting that going I might be able to help, like Rarsa said though it depends a little bit on the level of interest.

Nathan

#18 Post by MU » Wed 17 Jan 2007, 02:03

kino:
http://dotpups.de/dotpups/Multimedia/kino/

Seems to work at first sight, at least in Muppy007 it starts without errors.
Mark

amish · #19 Post by **amish** » Wed 17 Jan 2007, 08:23

i obtained both 104 deluxe and 104 standard - which is a shining jewel in the puppy crown by the way - and i cannot seem to figure out any way to get it running with the deluxe features. i also signed up for the grafpup forum, but i'm not sure i can post there. at one point i ran the image with 512mb ram available, that has to be enough. must i have a save file to use deluxe?

sbaguz · #20 Post by **sbaguz** » Wed 17 Jan 2007, 08:44

Thanks Dougal and MU: I'll try it as soon as possible!!!

sbaguz · #21 Post by **sbaguz** » Wed 17 Jan 2007, 10:25

Ok, very soon...

For people using an old version of Puppy (2.02 in my case): you need to download libsamplerate (ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/o ... 3.i586.rpm), libXdmcp (ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/o ... 8.i586.rpm) and libXau (ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/o ... 8.i586.rpm), unrpm the necessary libraries to /usr/lib and then Kino starts well.

sbaguz · #22 Post by **sbaguz** » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 14:07

Not so simple...

Everytime I try to open an avi file with Kino the import procedure (to dv) fails...
Have you ever got the same behaviour?

This way Kino is quite useless...

msumner · #23 Post by **msumner** » Sun 21 Jan 2007, 20:51

Hi guys, I stumbled into this thread when searching for info how to get my firewire working. I too am interested in video editing.....got my first camcorder for xmas! Anyway, I havn't bothered using the windows editing app that came with it, thought I would rather start from scratch with something for puppy. Something very simple would suit me with an idiot-proof GUI. I have been wondering about kino. I am a complete linux newbie and some things in this thread seems rather complicated with talk of things I don't understand like dependancies and rpm

Any advise would be appreciated, I am running puppy 2.13.
Thanks, Mike

sunburnt · #24 Post by **sunburnt** » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 01:43

Hi msumner; dependancies are library files that go in /usr/lib, & other files that're needed to make an app. work.

rpm = Redhat Package Management
It's a Red Hat Linux package install file, kinda like like their version of Puppy's DotPup files.

msumner · #25 Post by **msumner** » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 08:37

Thanks for that sunburnt. So I suppose my question now is what is the best (easiest?) way for me to get a video editor. Should I wait a bit for a complete dotpup, or is there a newbie proof way now?

sunburnt · #26 Post by **sunburnt** » Mon 22 Jan 2007, 15:29

That's what this posting thread is about, I'm not sure if there is a package for it though.

My choice has always been VirtualDub (Win.), I don't know if it's been ported to Linux.

giac_fab · #27 Post by **giac_fab** » Sat 08 Sep 2007, 14:56

Hi

I need to use my DV-source (from firewire) like a video-recorder ( start at XX:XX stop at YY:YY)

I tried kino editor but it has not this option .....

Anyone know ? I'd like to set it by console

gary101 · #28 Post by **gary101** » Sat 08 Sep 2007, 17:07

For editing mpegs I use Projectx, a java based editor that is very quick. It demuxes to video and audio outputs but it is very easy to mux them again from the command line.
http://www.oozoon.de/main_en.html

I have found this the quickest and easiest way to edit files under M$ (when I used to use it) and Linux.

The only dependency is having java installed.

mcewanw · #29 Post by **mcewanw** » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 16:12

In Windows, linear video processing tools such as Virtual Dub are good for capturing video, adding effects with filters, and converting to other formats; though they really are very useful tools they are far from being full-featured video editors. I had to do quite a bit of video editing as part of a documentary film course when I was at university. The main application we used there was "Adobe Premiere Pro" (expensive commercial software available for Windows and Mac). You can find a list of common video editing software and tools, which summarises their different uses, at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vi ... g_software. Applications such as Adobe Premiere and "MainConcept" allow what is called non-linear video editing (NLE) [see Wikipedia]; they usually have a timeline or storyboard which allows you to select individual or groups of frames for insertion, deletion, cutting, slicing, reordering, filtering, rendering and so on. They also provide you with special effect facilities such as fading-in and out between scenes, and you can add/overlay soundtracks (often with multitrack audio and video), so it is a pretty specialised application. There are many such apps available for Mac and Windows. Ulead studio is a simpler one often bundled with Firewire cards.

There are some excellent free non-linear video editors though, maybe not as full-featured as Adobe's professional offerings but sufficient for producing pretty decent movies. For example, I produced and edited, again in Windows, a 10-minute short film, for a university seminar, using a freeware NLE application called the "Zwei-Stein Video Editor" from http://www.thugsatbay.com/tab/?q=zweistein It had a strange interface (after my being used to Adobe Premiere Pro) but it turned out to be a pretty effective NLE once I got used to it. The company that produced that (t@b) have since re-written it. I haven't tried the new one, which is called ZS4, but it is supposed to be even more sophisticated. The good news is that they produce it, free as in beer, for Linux too! Hopefully it won't be difficult to get it working on Puppy. You can find it at http://www.zs4.net/

Be warned that the learning curve for such a complex piece of software tends to be very steep, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be surprised how quickly you can turn your home movies into professional looking (and sounding) masterpieces! ZS4 version 0.956 comes as a tar.gz of size 3.3 MB (the link for the next version 0.958 wasn't working yet - the windows version was, so I guess the Linux 0.958 is coming soon).

giac_fab · #30 Post by **giac_fab** » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 17:10

Thanks .....

But I was searching for a very simple application to grab from my DV-source at certain time (ex start at 22:00 ad stop at 23:00)

I found dvgrab that help me to do this.

I can set how much minutes grabbing will be ...... I only need to start dvgrab when needed ( I remember that puppy has an utility that could do this) with a script .....

BUT when I try direct mpeg2 encoding an error shows up

mikeb · #31 Post by **mikeb** » Sat 22 Sep 2007, 14:49

Thanks to whoever put the avidemux pup togather (rarsa?)
It's excellent and for those who use virtualdub in windows its very similar but was written from scratch based on th virtualdub concept.

Handles many formats in various states

in true linux style and fast, lots of useful filters and slightly hidden functions

the pup uses version 2.12......
the latest is 2.4 and debian have a compiled 2.3 which I'm gong to try soon as various multimedia libraries have updated.

Highly recommended for home movies and feature filmconversions

mike

papos · #32 Post by **papos** » Tue 04 Dec 2007, 08:48

I have installed with gslapt avidemux2.4_preview3 in puppy 3.01
it seems to convert audio and video
kino seems to work good but I have not tested DV import
"Kino can import raw AVI and DV files, as well as capture footage from digital camcorders using the raw1394 and dv1394 libraries, and export to camcorders using the ieee1394 or video1394 libraries. Kino does not support Linux 2.6.22's new firewire stack."
cinelerra-20071124-i686 seems to be buggy I can't open the menu!
cinelerra-cv is a non_linear multitrack full-featured video editors
as anyone a working puppy 3 or 4 whith cinelerra?

john biles · #33 Post by **john biles** » Thu 06 Dec 2007, 02:18

Hello Everyone,
"Lives" will be included in the upcoming TEENpup 2.14.1
See Screenshot

headfound · #34 Post by **headfound** » Thu 06 Dec 2007, 13:44

Looks good John, i've always wanted to try Lives out.
I've been using Kino the past week to re-edit some movies. Its actually a pretty powerful suite once you get dug in. The only drawback is having to import anything not dv, but its only minor. It also has about the easiest and fastest Titler i've ever used!

Marco_Inge · #35 Post by **Marco_Inge** » Fri 07 Dec 2007, 21:39

papos wrote:cinelerra-20071124-i686 seems to be buggy I can't open the menu!
cinelerra-cv is a non_linear multitrack full-featured video editors
as anyone a working puppy 3 or 4 whith cinelerra?

The same happens to me... any help availble?
A pet or sfs would be nice...

Marco

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