Starting Up "Living Water 3.01"

[ttuuxxx]

I'd love to see DansGuardian in a Puppy Linux. I'm just starting to build a computer lab at a small Christian school with little money, and I was planning to go with Ubuntu CE, which includes DansGuardian with a special GUI interface. But all of the first three old clunker towers that I tried it on wouldn't install it, and the developer of that flavor confirmed it was not for older equipment.

Since I successfully installed Puppy on my old laptop that wouldn't accept Ubuntu, I'm hoping Puppy will be the solution for our computer lab. I'm going to try installing it tomorrow.

Lane

When I finish the next release I'll add it in or something similar:)
ttuuxxx

[LaneLester]

I'd love to see DansGuardian in a Puppy Linux.

When I finish the next release I'll add it in or something similar:)
ttuuxxx

Well, don't do it for me. Subito has me convinced to go with OpenDNS instead.

I'm still undecided about the type of Puppy I should use. This is not for a church, but rather for a Christian school computer lab. So the TV and Bible software is not really important, other than letting students see what's available in that line.

Mainly I need a small OS for old hardware, Firefox for browsing, and OpenOffice for all that it does.

I lean toward some form of Dingo because you can install Debian packages, which is the system I'm used to. But if I could find a 3.x (don't know its name) I could use and had good stuff, I could go with that.

It's very frustrating for me trying to get a handle on how Puppy works and how to get it to do more than just run. Adding programs other than the standard Puppy stuff is the main problem. I want to be running Firefox 3 and OpenOffice 3. I have a .sfs of the latter, but I don't have a clue how to get it to run. There's no menu editor in Dingo, and I don't know where the menu file is. That kind of basic stuff may be somewhere, but I haven't found it.

Lane

[ttuuxxx]

To edit menus basically its a file called .desktop found in user/share/applications
firefox3 is buggy, slow and not really as good as 2.16 I would install 2.16

this firefox with flash will auto update to 2.16
http://www.puppylinux.ca/tpp/ttuuxxx/pr ... irefox.pet

or if you want flash and java
http://www.puppylinux.ca/tpp/ttuuxxx/pr ... irefox.pet
hope that helps
ps if you run the puppy package manager and select puppy 3 files at the top you can install a cutdown version of open office that works very well
ttuuxxx

[LaneLester]

To edit menus basically its a file called .desktop found in user/share/applications
firefox3 is buggy, slow and not really as good as 2.16 I would install 2.16

this firefox with flash will auto update to 2.16
http://www.puppylinux.ca/tpp/ttuuxxx/pr ... irefox.pet

or if you want flash and java
http://www.puppylinux.ca/tpp/ttuuxxx/pr ... irefox.pet
hope that helps
ps if you run the puppy package manager and select puppy 3 files at the top you can install a cutdown version of open office that works very well
ttuuxxx

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll take your recommendations about Firefox, although I think the improvements in OO3 might make it worth the effort. Someone told me in another post how to include an external .sfs.

Thanks for telling me about the .desktop file (I'm not running Puppy right now). I finally tracked down the JWM site and it talks about editing .jwmrc.

I'm still undecided about which Puppy to use. I've downloaded and will look at Fire Hydrant and Fat Free. I also have eeePuppy and eeeTiger to try on my eee PC! Good grief!

Lane

[Subito Piano]

ProCon in LW might be nice, actually -- either preconfigured or with the option to install or not on first FF startup, like Janitor put in the ChurchPup beta....

Wondering about a good label program for LW -- glabel looks very smooth. IDK if this is something you'd want or if it's more of a ChurchPup- or OfficePup-type program. Just a thot...if ChurchPup ever gets going maybe it'll go in there, but as far as i can tell LW supersedes CP. That said, i'm surprised by the occasional interest shown in CP. (I usually refer them to here!! )

[LaneLester]

[quote="Subito Piano"Just a thot...if ChurchPup ever gets going maybe it'll go in there, but as far as i can tell LW supersedes CP. That said, i'm surprised by the occasional interest shown in CP. (I usually refer them to here!! )[/quote]
Is LW still at 2.17? That's the version at the site linked from the first post in this thread.

I'm thinking it might be OK to put more than one Puppy in grub on the school computers. I might have a Dingo as the default for Firefoxing and OpenOfficing, for example, and LW for showing a church-related distro.

But I'm pretty sure it's going to be necessary to "ghost" the computers, since Puppy gives root access without a password. How do you deal with this at your school?

Lane

[Subito Piano]

CP Beta - the last done - is based on 2.17. The kids at school dual-boot Mepis or antiX (by default) and XP. Puppy is used in Computer class from the disks only while i am watching. The kids aren't savvy enough to do any harm in Linux anyway, but as i mentioned they are only using Puppy in my class. XP is locked up tight, of course!!

Time to go teach!

[KF6SNJ]

Subito,

I am reasonably certain that ChurchPup is based on 3.01, given that I use it as my regular operating system. I can double check but I believe that the version of Living Water that I downloaded last week was based on 2.17. So, in my opinion, ChurchPup, while missing a few options, supercedes Living Water despite being older. As to which one is better, that really is a matter of opinion. I may yet look into a fusion between MacPup, ChurchPup and Living Water. However, I would probably create some new wallpapers, use Opera as the default brower, and include some very specific links. However, that is all something to do in the future, maybe.....

[Subito Piano]

Hmm -- that's interesting. I may have been simply assuming it was 2.1x.

As i've mentioned, my part in ChurchPup is partly ideas and feedback, part cheerleader and PR man. I can remaster but lack the skills and time to really test and check everything like MU or ttuuxxx or pizzasgood, et al. Comparing LW and CP, my thinking is that LW seems more efficient -- smaller and faster. That said, i would certainly welcome keeping ChurchPup alive and would continue to input my ideas, monitor threads, and do the PR and website. The domain name registration is going to expire in 6-8 weeks but if the interest is there i can renew it. (Otherwise it falls back to www.churchpup.netfirms.com.) ChurchPup just kinda went into a coma and idk what happened to JanitorofGod who was so good to get it up and running.

You game to put it into final with your own spin on it? I've got some ideas, too, but first we need someone to pick up the ball. Don't get me wrong-- i have NO idea what your commitments are and if you are a busy family man like some of us i DON'T want you taking time from the most important things (!!!!) Lemme know!

[KF6SNJ]

IF I decide to toy with it beyond just the Alpha 2 version that I've been running for some time now, I will have to build a separate system first. However, I currently have three spare towers and a spare laptop to toy with, so I may begin to cook up something. Not certain yet. Yes, I am a family man. I also work full time in the Port of Tacoma. So to do this, it would be only on my spare time.

Give me a few days to look at my schedule and I may know by saturday if I want to try and give ChurchPup a reboot and some new features (I am planning to keep BibleDesktop if I do). I will get back to you on this....

[LaneLester]

I'd like to report a blessing. There's a nearby volunteer group that receives old machines, refurbs them, installs Linux, and then sells them cheap to schools and such. I just learned that I'm getting eight systems (tower, monitor, keyboard, and mouse) for $200 total! Instant lab!

BTW, I like the Fire Hydrant (I think) approach of having separate distros with Opera and Firefox. I don't know how much trouble that is, but it's nice to be able to force people to use your favorite browser.

Lane

[Subito Piano]

Great, KF! I appreciate you thinking about it. If you don't have the time, then either someone will come along who does or the project isn't that important (seriously!)

Lane -- cool. How like our God.

[ttuuxxx]

Hi guys

I managed to get Brasero working after 2 days, Thats the main gnome cd burning application, What a difficult task getting that to work. Was much harder than gnome sword. I built it on another gnome base I made up, I'll have to try it again but this time on the living water base and see how large it will be.

ttuuxxx

[LaneLester]

Hi guys

I managed to get Brasero working after 2 days, Thats the main gnome cd burning application,

That's the burner I use in Xubuntu, but does Pburn not do the job? I haven't used it yet.

I'm stalling on loading any Gnome stuff, but I think GnuCash may be Gnome, and it's my personal finance program of choice.

Lane

[KF6SNJ]

That is where I am forced to differ. If I were to try to retool ChurchPup, I would likely make K3b the default cd/dvd burner program. It has always worked well in my experiences, even on puppy.

[LaneLester]

K3b is indeed excellent, but then you have to load all the KDE stuff... I think.

Lane

[KF6SNJ]

No. There is already a dotpet file for K3b. I am using on ChurchPup on my tower and on MacPup on my laptop. I like it. Check out the dotpup/dotpet sub-forum.

[Subito Piano]

I LOVE k3b -- BUT idk how resource-intense it is, do you have an idea?

As far as Brasero goes, i first encountered it in antiX and found it both very intuitive and much to my liking.

Say -- we're using LW's forum to discuss ChurchPup. Ttuuxxx is a great friend to CP -- but maybe i should start a new forum for "ChurchPup2" or something like that?

Soooo...ttuuxxx, is this a good place to hold these discussions about ChurchPup? I feel like we're on NBC advertising CBS or something!! )

[ttuuxxx]

That is where I am forced to differ. If I were to try to retool ChurchPup, I would likely make K3b the default cd/dvd burner program. It has always worked well in my experiences, even on puppy.

Yes I like k3b also, I made it work with bibletime, Actually the k3b I made up has more plugins than any other k3b on puppy, But the bibletime on the other hand works well, just that some of the advanced options causes it to crash, I'll either have to look further into it or use gnome sword, If i was to use gnome sword then I could include brasero,gnucash . Or if I went with kde I could include k3b+kword+bibletime, So many options. I might just make the gnome sword as the small version and then add kde applications, would increase the size about 60mb and be around 250 MB ball park.
But first I'll have to work on bibletime
ttuuxxx

[ttuuxxx]

I LOVE k3b -- BUT idk how resource-intense it is, do you have an idea?

As far as Brasero goes, i first encountered it in antiX and found it both very intuitive and much to my liking.

Say -- we're using LW's forum to discuss ChurchPup. Ttuuxxx is a great friend to CP -- but maybe i should start a new forum for "ChurchPup2" or something like that?

Soooo...ttuuxxx, is this a good place to hold these discussions about ChurchPup? I feel like we're on NBC advertising CBS or something!! )

You can talk here, thats alright, I gives me ideas for living water:)
I was also thinking of expanding living water if I went with gnome, you see I would have the base installed and putting together applications to work on the base would be somewhat easy:)
ttuuxxx