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Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 05:55**

bigpup wrote:Luci 237
USB Flash install
Using JWM
In JWM Configuration Manager
If you select "or apply current GTK theme to JWM"
The tray in JWM is removed and will stay that way.

It causes the jwmrc-tray file to be empty. Nothing in it. Blank. This causes the tray to be removed because there is no data for placing the tray on the desktop.
A backup of the jwmrc-tray file is made and it has the original data.
The only way to get the tray back is to use the backup file to replace the blank one.

All puppies have been this way for a while now. Have mentioned it a few times and helped a few folks recover their tray......

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 06:01**

This is the first version ;-0 I learned by examining the one Barry made for wary. Be careful. Better start with pfix=ram in case anything goes wrong. Don't forget to ***Reboot***

http://diddywahdiddy.net/Puppy500/ATI_f ... -Lucid.pet

I am hopeful that compiz will run with this driver--but that's just a hope right now.

Congratulations!

I am preparing to wobble right now . . .

Existing ATI

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# glxgears
IRQ's not enabled, falling back to busy waits: 2 0
7916 frames in 5.0 seconds
8549 frames in 5.0 seconds
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new ATI

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# glxgears
17851 frames in 5.0 seconds
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23678 frames in 5.0 seconds
23591 frames in 5.0 seconds
18443 frames in 5.0 seconds

I tried 3 tests
just installed
did not seem to install
(same speed - probably my mistake)
installed to new 'puppy pfix=ram' boot
and restarted x
- got a black screen
- well you did warn
started again and did a reboot
and new ati drivers worked

Thanks Guys

Puppy Linux
Speedy Penguin

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 06:25**

“ Here is an updated version of the Atheros/Attansic atl1e ethernet driver,
to add support for some additional AR8132/AR8152 chipsets. “

I thought this driver is for wired ethernet card. At least it is for me

. I compiled atl1e.ko also from source AR81Family-linux-v1.0.1.13.tar.gz and tested it about couple of months ago. It worked for me and I uploaded it in luci 511 thread. But i didnt get any feedback how it works for others. I am still too unsure to offer my compiled drivers for general usage.
I downloaded that tempestuous pet and my wired eth card works fine with this driver also.

I agree with shinobar, that not 100 % working driver is mostly reason to the connection problems. I have problematic ath9k for wireless. It works but in some kernel versions and puppies based on these kernel versions the network connection drops frequently. It has been problem with earlier upup version, fatdog64 and with latest wary. I had problems with it when I downloaded bones and woof and that was the reason for atl1e driver to use my wired ethernet card for that big download.

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 07:13**

To all PUP5.2 contributors, let me offer an interpretation of this quote;

Mobeus wrote:Playdayz, Ok, I'll weigh in here on Samba. ...
There is one issue with the Lupu puppies that should be addressed. Samba cannot share a printer via cups in Lupu, unless a workaround is employed, and the workaround is clunky. Something in Lupu, maybe cups, sets the wrong directory permissions on /var/spool/cups on every boot. Windows client computers trying to send a print job need to write to this directory, and the permissions will not allow it.

It implies that this problem is NOT a problem with Luci, but IS a problem with Lupu. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who noticed this from his post. Thus, PUP5.2 is Luci....not Lupu.

Thus, there is no SAMBA CUPS print issues with his SAMBA offering (nor is there one with Rcrsn51's offering).

I will post this elsewhere on the other SAMBA threads, but the primary difference between SAMBA (Shinobar's and Mobeus's implementations) AND Samba-TNG (Rcrsn51's implementation) is support, development, and documentation. Size, though a big issue among some users, to me, is secondary to stability and support when we need help. This is clearly laid out by BOTH on each of the SAMBA site. The size is not that great a difference. Full SAMBA give us all of the tools we need to interrogate the network, to identify status, to point the finger at syntax problems, and the ability to replace PDC/BDC/AD servers with a fast cheap Puppy solutions amounting to 10s of 1000s of dollars to a family manager or a SOHO or SMB company.

I believe that Shinobar and Mobeus are collaborating and there will be a LUPU resolution to the CUPS-SAMBA interfacing forthcoming. In fact, since SAMBA and TNG are so closely related, Rcrsn51 may already have seen and resolved that LUPU issue.

But, I am elated that we have Luci products that let all of us share files, folders, videos, music, games, etc with everyone else on my LAN. (I am now looking at PUP5.2 as a multimedia server for other things now that I can share stuff out for my users.

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 07:26**

Lobster wrote: Congratulations!
I am preparing to wobble right now . . .

So.. is Lobby wobbly yet?

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 07:34**

bigpup wrote:Grub4dos updated to 1.6.1
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51697

Thanks bigpup. And sorry to be late from me.

The main issue is Grub4dos v.1.6.0 in the Luci-237 makes wrong location for the full installed Linuxes in some case.
It occurs mainly with the Wary. But it may occur with other Puppy-5.x including Luci in some case.
Another news is v1.6.1 supports multiple Windows installed, may be the Windows recovery system.
Known issue: The 'Puppy options' entry does not work. Please edit menu.lst manually if you need.

Try the new version Grub4dos v.1.6.1!

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 08:13**

shinobar

" Someone says some connecting tool doesn't work but another connecting tool works."

""""""""""""""

This was a specific case.
Which I have tested a few times.

Don't worry about it.
If it saves someone some misery then it's OK to use my variation
on tempestuous working solution.

And watch out mate.
I'm visiting Japan again early next year.

Last time I used The Japanese Puppy at the hotels I stayed at.
Obviously I can't read Japanese but I was so used to Puppy
I just did it near automatically to connect.

The computers were old Win2000?? machines...SLOW....
But the Japanese Puppy sped them along nicely.

I bet that they'll want to close down Akihabara when they see me.

http://wikitravel.org/en/Tokyo/Akihabara

Chris.

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 10:20**

So.. is Lobby wobbly yet?

Nearly

Installed and using the new ATI driver

Warning this compiz version is early - may wobble your system

Then I installed this preview, early version of compiz you let me try:
http://www.smokey01.com/01micko/lupu520 ... -Lucid.pet

Compiz was working and fast
The wobble did not work because all windows went to the top and I had no toolbar to grab and wobble . . .
on restarting (after turning on ALL special effects)

I had destabilised compiz and it did not load . . .

It all reminds me of a profound Zen dictum

'If standing - stand
If sitting - sit
above all - don't wobble'

Pah! Zen masters what do they know.

- here is the corrected version:

'If standing - stand
If sitting - sit
If wobbling - wobble
Above all - have fun!'

Update
OK tried KDE and compiz (for the second time)
Houston - we have wobble!

Puppy Lucid
Zen in the Art of Penguin

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 10:32**

cthisbear wrote:Solved...by tempestuous...
Acer Netbook >> eMachines eM350-21G16i
Atheros 9285 wireless on this Acer.

Well it's nice to be thanked, but I can't claim any credit for wifi driver support on that machine.

cthisbear wrote:Download the >> atl1e-v1.0.1.14-k2.6.33.2.pet

Sure, I provided that driver, but it's for ethernet devices. Yes, it's compatible with your particular ethernet device - Atheros AR8132 PCI ID 1969:1062.
But it's unrelated to your wifi device, which is the Atheros AR9285 chip, supported in Puppy by the ath9k driver.

I suspect your problem was purely configuration-related, and the use of Pwireless2 instead of the conventional Network Wizard is the true reason for your successful outcome.

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 11:11**

shinobar wrote:You seem ran the xorgwizard. I found a problem in the xorgwizard in making this section.
The xorgwizard supports 3 types of touchpad, Elantech, Alps and Synaptics.
The lack of the SHMConfig option occurs for the Alps case.
Need to insert a line next to the line 1398 in /usr/sbin/xorgwizard (or xorg-setup):
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	Option "SHMConfig" "on"\
It is the problem of woof.

Added line and flsynclient now works. Thank you shinobar!

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 13:44**

About the Samba print server and /var/spool/cups permissions in Lupu and Luci.

It implies that this problem is NOT a problem with Luci, but IS a problem with Lupu.

Please test this in Luci. I am without a personal computer at this time. All it takes is chmod 770 /var/spool/cups, reboot and see if the permissions persisted.

Thus, there is no SAMBA CUPS print issues with his SAMBA offering (nor is there one with Rcrsn51's offering)

Correct. My workaround is applied transparently to the user during the Samba installation and client printing works well out of the box.

I can't speak for others but this is Linux. I would think that once a root user sets permissions on a folder that would be the end of the story. No workaround required.

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 14:09**

Vi&Fe wrote:Hi to all...
I have instaled the Puppy to my old, old, old P300.
Now, someone give me this ACCTON EN1660 Ethernet Adapter, and i what to connect it to my PC.
It uses an ISA slot...

Help please

Is the first time I'm using Linux

PS: sorry for my english.

can someone help me please???????

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 14:24**

playdayz wrote:Hey Rolf, Have I got a deal for you!

You should not be using the 64 bit even if your computer is because Puppy Lucid isn't. Read back a page or two and see which set of kernel sources you need. Billtoo discovered that. Or just try the one I made. Thanks.

I checked again and again but can't see my fault

. Also tried your .pet without luck

.

During my search I found this here.

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MOBILITY RADEON

UNSUPPORTED HARDWARE!
Support of many Mobility Radeon (like X700) was dropped by AMD after the 9.4 release: see release notes link on http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/9-4/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx. The drivers are supposed to be 'available on amd.com' but it's not true for Linux. See http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/737-28041SupportforATIMobility.aspx. No proprietary driver is available (no 3D...): you're stuck with the free / open source drivers (like radeon).
...
MOBILITY RADEON 9600/9700 (M10/M11 4E50) (or not; see ATI bugzilla)
...

The 9.4 release supports X-org only til 7.4.

I really really hope that i`ve misunderstood something or there is a unofficial solution. You may call me stupid or an idiot if I'm wrong

(I hope so)

For the moment I'm very frustrated

Rolf

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 14:47**

Mobeus wrote: Something in Lupu, maybe cups, sets the wrong directory permissions on /var/spool/cups on every boot.

I cannot follow what Mebeus saying.
The permission of /var/spool/cups is 740. I do not think it wrong.

My problem is my printer EPSON PX-720 does not work with the cups on Lucid Puppy nor on Puppy 4.3.1 with the avasys most recent driver.
It is working on the Vine Linux with maybe old avasys driver but the cup is the same as that of the Puppy 4.3.1.

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 15:16**

I checked again and again but can't see my fault Embarassed . Also tried your .pet without luck Crying or Very sad .

During my search I found this here.
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MOBILITY RADEON

UNSUPPORTED HARDWARE!

Oops. We should back up. What kind of radeon card is it? The pet I made will only work with HD 2400 to HD 5900.

The open source radeon driver (as the message you found says) included in Lucid should work, and then Xorg_Full from Quickpet: Drivers should give hardware acceleration. The radeon driver is fully functional, just slower than the ATI driver.

Oh, yes, I was wrong about the 64 bit--it works for both.

To build your own, use this kernel source http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... atched.sfs

Also you need the 237_devx from the first message in this thread. Both installed by Bootmanager.

It is possible to get older ATI drivers. I saw the site yesterday. I will look. Oh dang, that is old windows versions. It still might be worth searching. I saw a message that 9.3 was the last to support some mobility radeons.

Older versions here -> http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/l ... linux.aspx

Start with a fresh install just in case.

Install the kernel sources and devx as sfs's with Menu -> System -> Bootmanager and reboot

Change permissions on the ati file. Right-click Permissions. Yes

Open a terminal in that folder. Right click, Window, terminal here

in the terminal enter ./ and the name of the ati driver. ('such as ./ati_driver_installer....') that's period slash to begin.

Good luck

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 15:32**

To play real audio ra files and some others

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... -Lucid.pet

Real Player 11

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 15:45**

Having a bit of trouble with( AMD k8) CPU scaling tool requiring to reset it each boot .

I went ahead and added the code from cpu frequency scaling script in start up to rc.local file (should this file be a script?)

content of rc.local file:

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!/bin/ash
modprobe fbcon


if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall ]; then
  /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall start
fi
modprobe evdev

modprobe acpi-cpufreq
modprobe cpufreq-ondemand

cd /sys/devices/system/cpu
for i in `ls -d1 cpu[0-9]*`; do

  echo ondemand > $i/cpufreq/scaling_governor
  echo 800000 > $i/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq
  echo 1600000 > $i/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq

done
echo 95 > cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 16:31**

Vi&Fe wrote:
Vi&Fe wrote:Hi to all...
I have instaled the Puppy to my old, old, old P300.
Now, someone give me this ACCTON EN1660 Ethernet Adapter, and i what to connect it to my PC.
It uses an ISA slot...

Help please

Is the first time I'm using Linux

PS: sorry for my english.
can someone help me please???????

I guess your chance to get a good answer are much bigger if you start a new thread in the beginners part of the forum.

And there tell more about how you installed and what happens and not happens.

By install you maybe mean you did a full install or frugal install or a Live CD install or an USB install or what?

You can copy from your post here if you have two windows or to tabs open in the browser.

Try to chose a title that describe what you want to get help with.

The ethernet adapter

Are you using luci237 then?

How much memory does your P300. have? Sadly I can not help you but too few read here to be able to help you in this thread.

You should start a new thread in the beginners section so those who want to help beginners find your question for help.

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 17:11**

Shinobar

The permission of /var/spool/cups is 740. I do not think it wrong.

One last time and then I will be quiet about this.

/var/spool/cups owner-root group-root
permissions 740 rwx,r--,--

If you send a print job as user root from another machine – OK. User root has full permissions.
Samba configured to force user = root for printing.
User xyz does not exist in Puppy.
Send a print job as user xyz from a Windows client – print job fails. /var/spool/cups is read only to this user. The Puppy print server has no idea that a print job was sent because it is never written to /var/spool/cups.
Set /var/spool/cups to 770 rwx,rwx,-- (you might get away with 760)
Send a print job as user xyz from a Windows client – OK

Server is restarted. /var/spool/cups is 740 again. Windows clients cannot print anymore.

This is tested and repeatable with 5.1. Does Luci reset the permissions too?

Posted: **Wed 17 Nov 2010, 17:51**

playdayz wrote:What kind of radeon card is it?

It's a ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 (as you can also see in my sig).

playdayz wrote:The radeon driver is fully functional, just slower than the ATI driver.

Yes, but that's the problem! Sorry that I wasn't clear at this point.

The Xorg_Full driver works fine for me for usual use. The problem: I'm one of those Compiz enthusiasts

.With Compiz it's far too slow.

E.g.: scolling a complete site here in the forum with arrow down (Opera10.63portable):

luci-234 w/o CF: 4s
luci-234 with CF: 1min 44s

glxgears luci-234 w/o CF: ~1450 fp5s
glxgears luci-234 with CF: ~200 fp5s

I didn't measured with luci-237 but it's similar.

Mick provided me a newer radeon driver for testing but with ~1min it's better but still too slow

I saw a message that 9.3 was the last to support some mobility radeons.

Yes I also saw this. The problem: the lowest release to support x-org 7.5 seems to be 10.4. So no go for luci.

I hope, now you can better understand my situation.

Rolf

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Re: FlSynclient

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