Lucid Puppy 5.2.7 RC2

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rerwin · #101 Post by **rerwin** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 16:34

playdayz,
I am pleased to see that you have resumed support of Lucid Puppy. I would like to submit my collected updates for the internals of modem and module loading support, but also see that the all-purpose dotpet package appears formidable. I have attached a tailored version of the contents of the "modem-modprobe" package that makes all the changes visible to the integrator.

I ran the package against luci260 and captured the files that were edited by the pinstall script. I took the remaining content and placed everything in 3 directories for convenience. I also collected only the relevant file deletions into a short script that can be run as is or used to identify the required removals.

The main directory contains the "replacement" files. The edited basic puppy files are in the "edited" directory. The third contains a remaster-compatible rework of the fullstart and first-run scripts and reorganization of the special treatment of xorgwizard, which avoid the need for any user workarounds in preparation for a remaster.

Either before, during or after insertion of the files into the main SFS file, the included script must be run or otherwise implemented to clear out obsolete files that could impact operations.

I have included a directory of difference files for the edited files, so you can see the minor-but-needed changes.

I tested all this by using pizzasgood's edit-sfs tool in puppeee 4.4 and ran the result on my main PC. It all seems clean.

Some factors to note:
1. The pupsave update/upgrade process still requires some pre-treatment of the old pupsave file before moving it to a new (upgraded) luci260, to remove or avoid using obsolete files. There is a script to do this at: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 074#431074
as: modem-modprobe_pre-update_patch-20110420.pet

2. Luci260 contains a file, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-modem.conf, which would now be deleted at the first reboot, due to a design decision made for woof and its derivatives. I have maintained that behavior so that people will not assume they can name the .conf files to begin with "blacklist". To avoid any impact of this, the included script renames that file to "alsa-modem-blacklist", since it blacklists only the possible built-in ALSA modems (if edited by the user to remove the #s).

3. The other .conf name to avoid is any beginning with "modem_"; they are removed when pupdial executes a CHOOSE > ERASE function.

4. This upgrade contains a few more PCI modem firmware tarballs in anticipation of a "retro" version as done for lupu525.

If you have any concerns I have not anticipated, please contact me. Thanks for making Lucid Pup so exciting -- dazzling and peppy!
Richard

playdayz · #102 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 16:39

Would like to see mrxvt instead of urxvt as the standard terminal. This is more in the cosmetics department... Makes a better first impression.

Also please consider RoxTerm - this is a excellent console termimal.
You can copy, paste, change colors, font size, etc from menu options available.

This is possible. I do not know mrxvt, but I will look. It would stimulate discussion

The reason to change, to my mind, is that we are wanting to make it easy for people to use Puppy Linux--and using the terminal is a part of using Linux. Therefore, making the terminal work as they probably expect would make using the terminal less of an obstacle.

Roxterm uses libvte--there is another that does also that I cannot remember at the moment. Using Ubuntu Natty packages it adds 0.5MB--maybe someone could compile for Lucid?

I think it is Lxterm that also uses vte.

pemasu · #103 Post by **pemasu** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 16:51

Libvte using terminals are LXterminal and Termit also. They all have copy - paste tabs in edit menu.
I compiled the latest Termit couple of days ago. It needs liblua also.
Middleclick with toucpad and its buttons in my laptop is really difficult so I use only those copy-paste terminals.

bigpup · #104 Post by **bigpup** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 16:59

Something to consider adding to PPM.

Menu Entry Maker
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=69453

playdayz · #105 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 16:59

pemasu, lxterminal looks good. Did you happen to compile libvte also? The Ubuntu version is large.

We will still include the urxvt terminal for those who prefer.

pemasu · #106 Post by **pemasu** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 17:02

Playdayz. No I havent. I have suffered the weight of libvte. Well...Because the size of libvte, I included both Roxtem and LXterminal to my puppies, lol.

Iguleder · #107 Post by **Iguleder** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 18:24

Use Aterm - Puppizard build a ~50 KB package if I remember right.

cowboy · #108 Post by **cowboy** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 18:48

Hello, might anyone have a screenshot they could post of the first boot desktop? New CD stack on order, and just wondering what it looked like - one of the issues I encountered with 5.2.5 was people complaining about the blurred appearance of the the opening desktop wallpaper. First two people I helped install Puppy 5.2.5 asked me what "that Linux" had done to their monitor...

I know, it's a small thing, but in the battle for converts, first impressions count. Thanks in advance.

Bert · #109 Post by **Bert** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 18:54

Hi cowboy,

I lowered the resolution to 600 px for the forum.
Is it still useful?

cowboy · #110 Post by **cowboy** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 19:01

Howdy Bert.

Can see it just fine. Thank you.

Iguleder · #111 Post by **Iguleder** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 19:34

playdayz - no, I didn't mean every version. All I was trying to say is that it could be very nice to have an EZ-Woof for 5.2.6.

EDIT: the build script I'm working on for 2.6.39.x is almost ready. Once 3.0 is out, it should be extremely easy to update, although it's a better idea to wait till 3.1/3.2.

pemasu · #112 Post by **pemasu** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 20:36

Iguleder. Remember usb_storage patch. Your kernel build script didnt have it, when I used it.

jim3630 · #113 Post by **jim3630** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 21:03

playdayz wrote:
sorry it does not have my wifi driver like many of the newer puppy. New HP notebooks, at least the one I'm stuck with, have Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:4727] using the wl.ko driver.
I have sent a not to the expert (tempestuous). You might try this thread.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=59000

thanks for the lead.

Bert · #114 Post by **Bert** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 21:12

Just a quick question in between: I started translating the Openbox-fbpanel menus to Dutch.
When ready I will post it in the localization forum for the Dutch speaking Puppy users.

The first part was easy: I translated /usr/share/desktop-directories. No problem here:

Next, I started translating ~/.config/fbpanel/default, to localize the shutdown, help and sub menus.
When I was about half way through, I saved and restarted X, to check my work...##!§£$$!!##
The 'default' file had reverted back to its original English! (default.BAK and 'old' also original English)

Please help! What is the correct way to do this?
Thanks in advance.

jim3630 · #115 Post by **jim3630** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 21:19

pemasu wrote:Jim3630 needs wl driver which has been compiled by piratesmack and it has its own thread.
The method to use that driver is a little compilcated since it needs b43 and ssb modules to be unloaded.
Kirk made genious script to check the need for those module unloading.
I attached that script to this rebuild wl module pet.
Jim3630 could test this if this works in 2.6.33.2 kernel builds.

About including all those extra drivers for wireless and wired. Great idea, but it will means several Mb xtra weight.
Tempestuous threads are magnificent. There just should be easy way for people to actually find their desperately needed drivers from that thread.
I have noticed that people again and again asks the same questions about those missing drivers and I have several times pointed them to that thread.
Off topic but easily found somekind knowledge base about those drivers would be fantastic. For example in Quickpet link to point to that thread.
And now I am dreaming....somebody could list those drivers as easy knowledge base. Yeah, I know.....
But the driver Jim3630 needs is in another thread and not that easily found. It might be considerable to include that driver and that script if they works since that driver needs most work to get work. And that broadcom wireless chip is not uncommon.

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=55792

pemasu my friend thank you thank you. great idea about an easily found knowledge base for wifi drivers per kernel version.

It took me some time to find out what kernel this puppy is using somtimes it's not clear if not listed. those who are relatively new to puppy don't know or at least I didn't know that Luci 260 means it's a Puppy 5.2.6 and that means it's a 2.6.33.2 kernel. Never too old to learn. will test it out the pet and test this puppy out. thanks jim

playdayz · #116 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 21:21

Hello, might anyone have a screenshot they could post of the first boot desktop? New CD stack on order, and just wondering what it looked like - one of the issues I encountered with 5.2.5 was people complaining about the blurred appearance of the the opening desktop wallpaper. First two people I helped install Puppy 5.2.5 asked me what "that Linux" had done to their monitor...

I know, it's a small thing, but in the battle for converts, first impressions count.

If you are thinking of the desktop for 5.2.5 it was a kind of forest scene--I thought it was artistic but we will have a different background for 5.2.6.

cowboy · #117 Post by **cowboy** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 22:30

"If you are thinking of the desktop for 5.2.5 it was a kind of forest scene--I thought it was artistic but we will have a different background for 5.2.6.

Playdayz, truly no offense meant - I'm always astounded that you take time to answer the concerns of fools such as myself. I just found the 5.2.5 default a little "busy", a little too personal, at first glance. My suggestion would be to have something more basic, perhaps a little more soothing, yet that still promotes puppy. Tubeguy, I think it was, was using something like the attached. Thanks again for taking time. Go Puppy.

playdayz · #118 Post by **playdayz** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 22:37

"Computers are like Old Testament gods; lots of rules and no mercy." - Joseph Campbell

Oh, that is really good. CP/M was not for nerds--you referenced a drive that was not mounted and bang--DOA.

Tubeguy, I think it was, was using something like the attached.

Maybe tubeguy will send something.

the 5.2.5 default a little "busy", a little too personal, at first glance.

I think that is a fair statement.

tubeguy · #119 Post by **tubeguy** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 22:59

playdayz wrote:Maybe tubeguy will send something.

Just started setting up 260, gathering inspiration.

How long has this version been bubbling? I've been on spup100 for a while, didn't even know this was in the works.

pemasu · #120 Post by **pemasu** » Thu 07 Jul 2011, 23:11

One reason more to upgrade gtkdialog3 binary:

01micko has remade the Nathan wallpaper setter with updating pic viewer.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=69658

(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

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Lucid Puppy 5.2.7 RC2

modem-modprobe and bugfixes for luci260

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screenshot done

wallpaper 260