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Siag office 3.5.5

#1 Post by 106498 »

I made a .pet package for siag office because the only one I could find was an old
dotpup. All the programs are there but there are no icons in the menu. Siag "sucks
less" and is a simple office suite for old hardware. More info at http://siag.nu/.

EDIT: I have removed the .PET as it was reported to do some undesirable stuff. A new one to download has been posted further down in this thread.
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#2 Post by playdayz »

Thanks, I had been wanting to take a look at it--you made it easy.

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Glad I could help :)
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#4 Post by redandwhitestripes »

Thank you very much for this. I've been wanting to try Siag for a while.

Any way to get the spell check working in PW? It's not a big problem as I can use aspell from the console and PW even allows the user to open the console from within the programme, but I'm still curious.

EDIT: Answered my own question. I consulted the online documentation and discovered SIAG uses ispell. I had aspell installed instead, so as per the documentation I symlinked to ispell like this
ln -s `which aspell` /usr/local/bin/ispell

and the spell checker works fine :-)

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Re: Siag office 3.5.5

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106498 wrote:I made a .pet package for siag office because the only one I could find was an old
dotpup. All the programs are there but there are no icons in the menu. Siag "sucks
less" and is a simple office suite for old hardware. More info at http://siag.nu/.
Major annoyance.

Installing from the PET, among other things, reset a symlink. /usr/lib/libtermcap.so.2, which is supposed to be a symlink to /usr/lib/termcap.so.2.0.8, gets reset to be a symlink to a private copy in Siag Office's directory hierarchy.

This renders the system unusable, as lots of things want libtermcap.so.2 and can't find it after this is done. (Reboot, and login goes into an endless error loop complaining about not finding libtermcap.so.2.)

I had to boot Puppy from CD with pfix=ram, manually mount the Puppy partition (since I use a full install), and open a console window to go in and fix the symlink, then reboot.

I suggest not trying to install this pet until that behavior is neutered...
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#6 Post by harii4 »

the .pet is no longer there.
Shame, i've been wanting to try Siag for a while too.

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Many thanks, I downloaded the file using your link (sc0ttman).

I'ts running under puppy linux (saved session on HD) and it works perfectly!

I have a question, though, is there any .deb for testing it under a very old desktop, I think it's under kubuntu 4...

Many, many thanks!

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#9 Post by ttuuxxx »

Just rename it in puppy from siag-3.5.5.pet to siag-3.5.5.tar.gz
then click on it, xarchive should open it then just extract to anywhere and copy the files to same directory on your other OS. It will give you an error when extract it, but just ignore it, xarchive always gives that error when extracting renamed pets. It doesn't actually produce an error in the extraction process.
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#10 Post by scsijon »

for: 106498

It seems the Animator module is not working at present, just a blue screen.

Also current version is 3.6.1.

can you check please it's working ok for you, maybe I need a nonlisted lib.

I'm planning to use it on my puppyrunt, replacing gnumeric, abiword, etc. as it seems to be a selfcontained system and total size is smaller as it's about 2.25meg.

I will build in some "spare time" before the alpha becomes public, if there is such a thing, playdayz, 01micko, ttuuxxx and other builders would know about that.

good find though.

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#11 Post by amigo »

siag is very old and no longer maintained. A while back I hacked around on it quite a bit -I had also found that the Animator wouldn't start. IIRC, you have to revert to version 3.4.? to have it working. There are several versions in between 3.4.9 and 3.6.1, but the amount of changes was fairly small, so it's pretty easy to 'backport' any useful changes from later versions into 3.4.10

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#12 Post by scsijon »

sorted out siag 355 problem, was made when XawM was v6, we now use v7. You need to make a set of links back to v6, and it all seems to work.

Note that he put the animator structure backwards, when you first start it, move the blue screen over to see it's control page.

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#13 Post by KusaNoKaito »

Is there a presentation program with this. :?:

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#14 Post by scsijon »

just a note,
siag 355 is working correctly with wary5. edit:and puppy5.2

I may just build the latest next week and see what happens.

edit1:(ongoing dependancy yuck! due to age)

edit 2: playdayz has added 355 to the ppm as it's actually a good package, but be warned that it doesn't work properly with anything earlier than above puppy series.
I have failed to get 361 egon working at all so am steping back through the three earlier releases too see where it collapsed. The whole packages size also expands seriously with 3.6 series as there is now a lot of external libs puppy doesn't use added. It may become not worth the work and I shall add if so add a note here and the 3.6.1 thread (unsorted area).
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#15 Post by amigo »

I got 3.6.0 working a long time ago -but not the animator:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... iag-3.6.0/

I was able to put together a 3.4-ish version where the animator would at least run. All that code is so old and nasty to work with -but I too had high hopes (or wishes) for siag. Only someone who really badly wanted such a thing would put so much work into that...

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#16 Post by amigo »

BTW, do you have the *sources* for 3.5.5 -I have never been able to find them.

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#17 Post by scsijon »

amigo wrote:BTW, do you have the *sources* for 3.5.5 -I have never been able to find them.
nope, 353, 356, 357, 360, 361 from his site, but the work log tells you what was fixed between so a diff file would give you details if you wanted to just cutnpaste. I did find the lib versions are a serious point though, ie must have version x.x a later version won't do, had to create a lot of links to get it to build without errors let alone warnings.

Code: Select all

libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x40026000)
	libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x40053000)
	libXawM.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libXawM.so.1 (0x40061000)
	libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x400bb000)
	libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x400d0000)
	libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x400de000)
	libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x40128000)
	libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x40201000)
	libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x4020a000)
	libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x40220000)
	libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40235000)
	libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40254000)
	/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)
to start with.

355 source should most likely be on the deb site as they have a compiled version and usually hold both as part of their structure requirements, if you want it.

He did say egon was totally rebuilt with 360 so maybe that is the problem with it and after trying some fixes gave up. Shame really as it's actually a good wireframe creator and you could really spike a game creation with it let alone cad.

Still haven't had a reply to his email address, did notice that the last update to the site was early 2010 and nov2006 in freshmeat, so do wonder if it's really just a ghost site nowadays (ghost site=prepaid for but not used anymore) there is a lot of them arround.

i'm going to build 357 next week and see if the 357>360 is the problem, if so i'll do a 357pet and if that works I will leave it at that although the differences 355>357 are minor and may decide not to unless worth it, i'm not that good a programmer to deal any deeper nowadays (and having looked at the source am happy at that).

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#18 Post by amigo »

debian doesn't have the sources for 3.5.5. The only mention there of 3.5.5 was during testing and it was quickly passed over for a later version. There are bins of 3.5.5 for bsd and linux but no sources -even though the 3.5.5 version is announced and there is a changelog on the siag site.

I was surprised to see 2010 dates on the current siag site, but that was just from rebuilding or re-mirroring the old archives. The actual date of the end of development is more like 2003, IIRC.

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amigo wrote:debian doesn't have the sources for 3.5.5. The only mention there of 3.5.5 was during testing and it was quickly passed over for a later version. There are bins of 3.5.5 for bsd and linux but no sources -even though the 3.5.5 version is announced and there is a changelog on the siag site.

I was surprised to see 2010 dates on the current siag site, but that was just from rebuilding or re-mirroring the old archives. The actual date of the end of development is more like 2003, IIRC.
I'm suprised with that, Deb usually requires source be provided otherwise they won't publish the bin, I shall chase further with my contact there, a later bin I did not know of.

The Siag log on freshmeat has 3.6.1 commit listed as 10 nov 2006 http://freshmeat.net/projects/siagoffice, which is why I was wondering earlier if his site has become a ghost site. Siag has a 1998 start with them so...

This is a link to a picture of him in 2002 when he was working on siag. http://bild.edu.stockholm.se/display/Sh ... icsize=800.

Still no answer to an email to him. However from what I have been able to find out so far is that he is currently working with NPA (Norwegians Peoples Aid, a Ministry of Foreigh Affairs funded group) and has done for a number of years now so I doubt we will "get him back" into programming anytime soon.

I consider the Animator his best product as it's rediculously small and easy to use for what it does.

quick and dirty testbed builts of 357 and 360, egon dead in 360, ok in 357 so it looks like the problems relate to the redesign and rewrite. Having a read through the earlier builds, it looks like he's updated the origonal code until 357, decided it needed totally rewriting for 360 and that was when the major problems started.

will keep this thread posted with my results, I will consider the 361 thread closed.

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edit ps: I have also just been emailed that he was involved in slackware at the time siag was created (remember,it did predate oo) and that he has offloaded most of his computer packages onto others (where there were people willing to take it over) he just ocassionally monitors nowadays.

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#20 Post by amigo »

Oh I'm sure that debian did have the sources when they were handling that version. But that version was pulled in to testing and was later upgraded or dropped before a release point was reached. Really strange that the 3.5.5 sources are nowhere to be found.

Glad to know that the animator was still working for 3.5.7. the only thing to do is analyze the diffs from 3.5.7 to 3.6.0 and from 3.6.0 to 3.6.1 and try to pull anything useful which is not related to any rewrite, and add thoses change in to 3.5.7. That's what I had done to create a 3.4.10 version.

I was interested in getting the gsiag (gtk version) working, but lots of features were never implemented -non-working meni items etc. There also was a ksiag frontend. Those xawd/nextawd widgets are pretty horrible. But working with Xlibs is for people who are much crazier than me...

You mentioned about the last versions including extra libs -those things like o3read are optional components which add capabilities. I just yesterday noticed that 03read is included in moblin/meego. (o3read reads OpenOffice formats).

'twould be a nice project for someone who really wants to learn the nitty-gritty of graphics programming. However, the complete re-write is just one more example of how nicely-running software and their whole project fails to survive a complete re-write of the code for a new toolkit. Gimp is, I guess, the only one that has ever pulled it off with flair -and they've done it twice. gimp was originally an Xlib program re-written in gtk1 and then again in gtk2. BTW, gtk means Gimp Tool Kit.

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