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64Bit Nvidia & WINE Causes problems
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p310don

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 02:46    Post subject:  

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Maybe you just need to try Xenialpup 7.5 the 32bit version of Xenialpup.
Install as a frugal install and have it booted using a save.


That is an easy solution to my problem, yet terrible advice. The world has virtually gone past 32bit OSes, so I'm keen to go onto 64bit. I think I mentioned before, I was using this machine with this program (game - Red Alert, Red Alert 2) with Tahr32. It worked flawlessly. Still does. I still have T32 installed.

32 vs 64 is a bit of a failing of Puppy for modern use IMHO. Puppy is aimed at old hardware, so 32bit is a win for sure. BUT, I believe and many agree that Puppy is awesome on new hardware too. This PC is new-ish, so I'd like to use a modern browser (Chrome) which is only 64 bit, I do a lot of VM work so 64bit memory management is better etc. Just when I want to play my old game that I have the issue.

I could install Xenial32, run Chromium and not have any this issue, but I'm pushing for the challenge, which is starting to beat me.
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p310don

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 02:56    Post subject:  

Just to be annoying, I have 2 other PCs, a laptop and a media PC hooked up to a projector. Both of these run Xenial64. Both run WINE. And both play the game OK. Both have onboard intel video.
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p310don

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 08:26    Post subject:  

I did a quick install of 32bit xenial (non-PAE by mistake). Went through the process, everything nvidia & wine related worked perfectly first go. Chromium doesn't work though, which is another sticking point.

I can either get what I want for leisure (wine & nvidia), or I can get what I want for work (chrome) but not both. grrrr
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bigpup


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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 13:09    Post subject:  

Could put both versions of Xenialpup on the computer and setup the boot loader to boot the one you select.
AS a frugal install, it is easy to have many Puppy versions on a device.
That is basically what I have.
Xenialpup32 for Wine and games.
Xenialpup64 for what ever else I want to do.

Xenialpup32 7.5 does not have a PAE version.
(this was done to try and make it work on the oldest computers possible)
It is what it is!

So now the question is to figure out what about this computer is different from the ones 64bit does work on.

The hunt begins Laughing

What is the exact specs of this computer?
Make and model can tell me if you do not know all.

Menu>System>Pup-Sysinfo can also tell you stuff.

If I am correctly understanding you.
Nvidia driver seems to be the sticking point with 64bit Xenialpup.

Who knows, this driver they say is for your hardware, may have a bug in 64bit version.
OpenGL can be tested by entering this in a console.
Code:
glxgears

This should just work.
If that does not work.
The driver is bad, not correctly installed, Xenialpup64 not correctly installed.

That is a very low spec Nvidia hardware for 64bit OS.

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p310don

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 19:08    Post subject:  

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AS a frugal install, it is easy to have many Puppy versions on a device.


I'm well aware of the benefits of frugal. I have about 20 different Pups installed frugally. One is my daily driver and the others are for experimenting / testing.

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Xenialpup32 for Wine and games.
Xenialpup64 for what ever else I want to do.


Why do you do it this way? I see it as a failing if one install can't do it all reasonably well. It is certainly an easy solution to have one for one thing and another for another thing. It really shouldn't be so hard to have all aspects working on the most modern OS (64bit being more modern).

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What is the exact specs of this computer?


I built it myself. Can't remember the MOBO, but AMD Phenom II x555, 8 gig ram, many hard drives, Nvidia GT210.

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If I am correctly understanding you.
Nvidia driver seems to be the sticking point with 64bit Xenialpup.


Not quite. I can and have installed the Nvidia driver successfully. It seems that the 32bit compatibility of the 64bit Nvidia driver (for wine) is the sticking point.

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OpenGL can be tested by entering this in a console.


glxgears works, depending on the NVIDIA install method. But, glxgears is (I assume) testing that openGL 64bit is working.

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That is a very low spec Nvidia hardware for 64bit OS.


Yep. That is all I need though. When I purchased the card (a long time ago) I wanted something that had VDPAU support. That was about the minimum (read cheapest) I could get. For the old games that I play, it is overkill - when it works.
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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 19:50    Post subject:  

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Xenialpup32 for Wine and games.
Xenialpup64 for what ever else I want to do.


Why do you do it this way?

Xenialpup32 just seems to run stuff better under Wine 32bit.

I wonder if the kernel being used would have any affect Idea

I have had changing the kernel fix problems in other Puppies with hardware issues.

Xenialpup64 7.5 is more about supporting the newest hardware.
Could be something in the kernel not fully supporting your Nvidia hardware.
Try using an older kernel.

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 20:00    Post subject:  

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I can and have installed the Nvidia driver successfully. It seems that the 32bit compatibility of the 64bit Nvidia driver (for wine) is the sticking point.

Got the Xenialpup64 7.5 32bit compatibility sfs loaded? Idea

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Jun 2018, 21:22    Post subject:  

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Got the Xenialpup64 7.5 32bit compatibility sfs loaded? Idea


Yes. If only it was that simple.
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