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Re: LxPupSc-18.05+2

#981 Post by peebee »

davids45 wrote:'Open file' 'Places' panel still cluttered in this series (screenshot) - Bionic Pups are not affected if that helps identify what's happening.
Bit of further investigation shows this issue is due to pup-volume-monitor which is essential for PcManFM and is still running after switching to JWM.

The solution is to remove execute permission from:
/etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor
and reboot
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#982 Post by Sage »

I still pine for Eudora
Strange you should say that, Marv. I retain a .pet that one of our clan kindly produced a couple of centuries ago and sometimes unwrap and load it. Most subsequent Puppies accept it without flinching, but things move on and I'd only expect succes with true 32bit offerings, but you never know...

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Places clutter and other niggles

#983 Post by davids45 »

G'day peebee,

Thanks for your replies to my a bit 'off-distro' questions as an addicted JWM/Rox user.
The solution is to remove execute permission from:
/etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor
and reboot
By coincidence, this morning I'm posting from an earlier LxPupSc (18.04) so have removed the exec permission as you suggest but will have to wait until I leave the forum and reboot. If this works, I'll pin it on my noticeboard to see if it fixes other Pups with this nagging clutter problem (for me anyway).

I'll also try your other suggestions and report back in case there are other users with the same minor problems.

David S.

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First trials to fix some minor issues

#984 Post by davids45 »

G'day peebee,

I've now made a LxPupBionic to compare with LxPupSc in regard to the minor problems in an earlier post of mine to which you replied:
On your 3 comments:
1. this could be gvfs related - does LxPupBionic have the same issue?
2. no idea I'm afraid - does slacko-6.9.9.9 have this issue?
3. there are many variants of Rox around with different patches....the one in LxPupSc comes from slacko and is adequate for its intended purpose - you could try the one in upupbb:
http://www.smokey01.com/peebee/upupbb/e ... 6_s704.pet
or you could try the experimental one from woodenshoe-wi:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 140#990140
So far....
1. LxPupBionic had the 'Open file' clutter, but your fix to stop /etc/init.d/start-systen-monitor executing (changing its properties) has done the trick :) . I've printed off your post and pinned it to my corkboard so I can use this fix in other affected Pups - unless there's an unintended side effect :lol:

2. LxPupBionic is fine, with inkgui telling me I need to replace my magenta and cyan cartidges soon.. :roll:
I don't recall any slacko-6.9.9.9s having this 'no printer found' problem but I am still to check some of these.

3. Rox column inflexibility: obviously a more complex "problem" to fix and I'm fairly used to having to deal with wanted columns being off-window. When I have the time, I'll see if any of your links provide an improvement.

Your clutter-fix worked in LxPupSc-18.04 and next I'll see how the latest delta update for LxPupSc-18.05 responds.
Your use-case is somewhat unusual.....LxPup is meant to be primarily an LXDE based system although JWM/Rox are retained in the build for "emergency purposes".... + you have "more than the average" number of partitions on your system....
You're quite right - I took a while to get interested in your LxPups as I hadn't found any benefit in LXDE compared to JWM (latest screenshots attached).
Your 'bait' that caught me was your use of a 64-bit kernel in a 32-bit Pup (and still having JWM and Rox kept me hooked).
Is LxPupBionic also using a 64-bit kernel or is it just the same as your 'regular' Bionic Pups?

Thanks again,
David S.
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At last! The 'Places' panel has just my mounted data partitions, and not all my computer's unmounted partitions (which have Full Pups so not likely to be needed on a regular basis)
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LxPupBionic with its LXDE pinboard with my applications (loaded as sym-links in an sfs); not quite as 'friendly' for me as JWM - see next screenshot. Everything works nonetheless.
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My preferred window manager with LxPupBionic (the devil I'm familiar with)
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Re: First trials to fix some minor issues

#985 Post by peebee »

davids45 wrote:Is LxPupBionic also using a 64-bit kernel or is it just the same as your 'regular' Bionic Pups?
Thanks again,
David S.
UPupBB & LxPupBionic ship with a 32-bit kernel but they should work (untested) by swapping in the 64-bit kernel from LxPupSc.
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Update on Places clutter & Inklevel

#986 Post by davids45 »

G'day peebee,

Thanks for the info on the 32-bit kernel in Bionics and the possibility of trying the 64-bit Sc kernel ("untested" - an interesting word :wink: ).

I've now made a LxPupSc-18.05+3 (via the delta). I deleted the six OS files in my 18.05+1 but kept its savefile after renaming it to '3' in place of '1'.

Booted fine and all my existing apps links were present (the 'old' savefile worked).

Every 'Open file' dialog was still 'cluttered' so I re-propertied /etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor to be non-executable. And the clutter was gone.

While the inkgui package would not work ('no printer found') in these LxPupScs, I had yesterday tried the more elaborate Epson-provided escputil package (as a .deb file) in my now 'deceased' LxPupSc-1805+1, .... and it worked :shock: . And it still worked when I updated to +3 with the +1 savefile (screenshot) :shock: :shock: . Still need to replace two cartridges :( .
Anyway, that's an ink-level work-around for the Scs while the Bionics and most other Pups are still good with inkgui. Maybe this is kernel-related? If you don't have an inkjet printer, then this will be all Greek to you no doubt.

David S.
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Pinboard (JWM+Rox) in LxPupSc-18.05+3 made with savefile from deleted LxPupSc-18.05+1 and a delta-ed LxPupSc-18.05. Everything looks good.
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Making /etc/init.d/start-pup-volume-monitor non-executable clears unwanted 'Places' in 'Open file' panel
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Inklevel via a deb of Epson's escputil install works! Inkgui still no-go for me.
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#987 Post by peebee »

delta +4
81d2ade61bf40b17aaf8d9f3f0131f6b LxPupSc-18.05+4M-k64.iso

BUILD_FROM_WOOF='master;7e08a9a5;2018-05-16 23:20:02 +0800'

Also kernel 4.16.9 (not in iso)
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kernel update/switch

#988 Post by davids45 »

G'day peebee,

Or should that be 'peabee' as per your sourceforge page identity (like Spike Milligan, are you too a famous typographical error :lol: )

Thanks for your next LxPupSc delta which I'll use soon.

Rox-Filer fix:
In an earlier post, I raised my problem of Rox's inflexible column lay-out and you posted a few links to explore.
Thanks to those, I've found that an old (2011) Rox-Filer bin file (the one in /usr/local/apps/Rox-Filer/), when switched for the one in your Pup, will allow columns to be moved around and, even better, its default layout has the 'Last Modified' column visible in the opening Rox window, not out-of-sight off-window to the right-hand end of the columns.
As a user, not a developer, this column is what I look to most in manipulating files with Rox. So with this old Rox bin file, I don't actually need to move the columns with this default lay-out. I've used this fix with quite a few other Pups with no problems so far.

Kernel replacement:
With your latest delta upload, you've added a separate newer kernel. Have you a simple guide as to how to replace the kernel in your LxPups?
I did a kernel switch years ago in a Tahr Pup (following directions) and recall using wiak's MakePups to create Pups with different kernels (32-bit with 32-bit) but is putting a 64-bit kernel in a 32-bit Pup straightforward (for someone not really knowing what I'm, oops, he's doing :oops: )?

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Re: kernel update/switch

#989 Post by peebee »

davids45 wrote:Have you a simple guide as to how to replace the kernel in your LxPups?
Hi David

Frugal installs only....
Click on the huge-*.tar.bz2 file, extract the 2 files therein.
Move the 2 files to your frugal install folder (if you've extracted somewhere else)
Delete or rename the existing vmlinuz and zdrv* files
Rename the 2 new files to vmlinuz and zdrv*
Reboot
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#990 Post by peebee »

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#991 Post by peebee »

+5 is re-uploaded - new version
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#992 Post by peebee »

delta +5
c80a2937e931430aa3604f0e852408ad LxPupSc-18.05+5M-k64.iso

BUILD_FROM_WOOF='master;b434351e;2018-05-24 23:29:04 +0800'

Slackware Current Mon May 28 19:12:29 UTC 2018

Also kernel 4.16.12 (not in iso)
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#993 Post by peebee »

LxPupSc-18.06M-k64 is a 32-bit woof-ce 'master' branch build with a 64-bit kernel (therefore only compatible with 64-bit capable processors)

LxPupSc-18.06M-k64.iso {devx} - (devx does not include kernel sources or headers) {kernel 4.16.13-lxpup64 sources}

iso md5 = 06eaf96e43f014bb596388d02d7cc6eb

Interim delta updates and newer kernels may be available.

Delta from 18.05T is available

- kernel 4.16.13 64-bit built with GCC-7.3.0
(alternative 32-bit kernels 3.16.x 4.4.x 4.9.x & 4.14.x also available - all need firmware in the fdrv)
- Made from Slackware-Current as of Fri Jun 1 21:28:10 UTC 2018
- BUILD_FROM_WOOF='master;b434351e;2018-05-24 23:29:04 +0800'
- web browser in adrv is light-48.0
- ffmpeg is upgraded to 4.0
- firmware is in fdrv
- alternative fall-back xorg is in ydrv (no need to install unless needed)

**N.B. the 64-bit kernel means that any kernel drivers have to be built in a true 64-bit system - LxPupSc64 with it's own devx is suggested but use the kernel sources above

Woof-CE build repository is: http://smokey01.com/peebee/slackocurrent/

Chromium, Firefox, Palemoon and Seamonkey are in the repository and installable via Internet -> Get Web Browser

The versions of the browsers as of 02-jun-2018 with their md5sums are:
chromium_67.0.3396.62+pepper_29.0.0.171 RUN-AS-SPOT :26b3fc0c237a49f18ca088236f2182e8
firefox-52.8.0esr :cbddbc46f88c512ae7d234400a22a023
palemoon-27.9.2 :0d73b4b1001e6a3e95a041e2c95893b3
seamonkey-2.49.3 :8b448cd64ca38e5bc774ccb772db8460
firefox-60, iron, slimjet, vivaldi and min are also available
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#994 Post by Billtoo »

I installed to a 16gb SDHC card:

System: Host: puppypc4651 Kernel: 4.16.13-lxpup64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: LXDE (Openbox 3.6.1)
Distro: LxPup-Sc 18.06
Machine: Device: desktop System: Compaq-Presario product: AU194AA-A2L CQ5123F serial: MXX9300M0F
Mobo: MSI model: Boston v: 1.0 BIOS: Phoenix v: 5.24 date: 06/19/2009
CPU: Dual core Pentium E5200 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1216/2500 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.org 1.20.0 driver: intel tty size: 142x25 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card: Realtek RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller driver: r8169
Drives: HDD Total Size: 547.6GB (1.8% used)
Weather: Conditions: 72 F (22 C) - Clear Time: June 2, 8:59 PM EDT
Info: Processes: 123 Uptime: 1:11 Memory: 293.6/3939.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.8

The package manager is slow but it does work.
Tried to compile but kernel headers needed I guess so no go.

That's it so far.
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#995 Post by peebee »

Billtoo wrote:Tried to compile but kernel headers needed I guess so no go.
Kernel Headers Uploaded

Reminder - the devx is 32-bit and should only be used to compile applications...

The kernel is 64-bit so to compile drivers you need to install this kernel into a 64-bit system with a 64-bit devx.... LxPupSc64 is suggested....
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#996 Post by Billtoo »

peebee wrote:
Billtoo wrote:Tried to compile but kernel headers needed I guess so no go.
Kernel Headers Uploaded

Reminder - the devx is 32-bit and should only be used to compile applications...

The kernel is 64-bit so to compile drivers you need to install this kernel into a 64-bit system with a 64-bit devx.... LxPupSc64 is suggested....

Compiling works now, thanks.
I forgot to mention that my install wouldn't boot until I edited the
menu.lst file:
# menu.lst produced by grub4dosconfig-v1.9.2
color blue/cyan yellow/blue white/black cyan/black
#splashimage=/splash.xpm
timeout 10
default 10

I changed the default from 0 to 10 and it booted fine after doing that.

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#997 Post by peebee »

Kernel 4.17.0 64-bit
but note gives:
spec_store_bypass : Vulnerable
on my pc (Intel Xeon E5450s)...
wonder if some configs need tweaking??

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... tial&num=1
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#998 Post by Marv »

peebee wrote:Kernel 4.17.0 64-bit
but note gives:
spec_store_bypass : Vulnerable
on my pc (Intel Xeon E5450s)...
wonder if some configs need tweaking??

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... tial&num=1
As I read the phoronix note, that mitigation on the Intel side also requires new microcode that isn't out yet.
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#999 Post by Billtoo »

I changed kernels and everything still works so I'll keep using it.

# uname -ra
Linux puppypc4651 4.17.0-lxpup64 #1 SMP Mon Jun 4 11:59:48 BST 2018 x86_64
Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
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#1000 Post by Billtoo »

I installed to a 32gb usb-3.0 flash drive:

I installed the same apps with PPM as the install on my Compaq
desktop, compiled some apps.
This pc has a nvidia graphics card, the nouveau driver did not work
well, tearing in streaming video, so I swithed to the built in intel
grapics which is working much better.

System: Host: puppypc14122 Kernel: 4.17.0-lxpup64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: LXDE (Openbox 3.6.1)
Distro: LxPup-Sc 18.06
Machine: Device: desktop System: LENOVO product: 7491B8U v: ThinkCentre M58e serial: MJ01509
Mobo: LENOVO model: N/A serial: INVALID BIOS: LENOVO v: 5HKT39AUS date: 06/17/2009
CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 Duo E8400 (-MCP-) speed/max: 2008/3003 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 4 Series Integrated Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.org 1.20.0 driver: intel tty size: 164x24 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Network: Card: Marvell 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: sky2
Drives: HDD Total Size: 351.1GB (3.5% used)
Weather: Conditions: 59 F (15 C) - Overcast Time: June 5, 4:30 PM EDT
Info: Processes: 128 Uptime: 1:03 Memory: 254.1/3821.0MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.8

Works well.
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