Program says installed but where is it?

[tcshhead]

When I go in the my_applications folder in puppy tcsh is not installed. However the package manager says it is able to uninstall tcsh so I know tcsh is installed. Even though it's installed, the $tcsh command doesn't switch bash to tcsh, and I can't find the folder tcsh was installed in. Where does puppy install programs by default? What folder is puppy installing programs in? I've looked in every damn folder in the system.

[a_salty_dogg]

I've no idea what that is but until somebody knowledgeable comes along, "usr/lib" or "opt" are good places to start looking for programs, or see if a link to it has been created in "usr/share/aplications", which you can hover over to see where the executable file is located or click on it to execute.
Good luck.

Edit - or "usr/local/lib" is another possibilty

You've tried via Menu > filesystem > Pfind?

[bigpup]

What version of Puppy?

Use Pfind and do a search for tcsh.

In Pfind make sure in Where to search.
Select system files or all files.

The tcsh exec file is in /usr/bin

The way Puppy menus work.
Programs not specifically compiled for Puppy, may or may not make the necessary files for a menu entry. Some are made to just run from console.
the my_applications folder in puppy is a place you have to manually put something into.
Nothing ever installs into it.
Read the readme file in my_applications folder.

Xenialpup64 7.5 tcsh installed using the Puppy Package Manager(PPM)
Runs in a console, but I have no idea how to use it.

[s243a]

look under
/root/.packages

for the list of files in the package.

[jafadmin]

from a console type: which tcsh

That will tell you where it is

[musher0]

Type

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whereis yourprogram

or

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which yourprogram

[tcshhead]

Thank you all for your help, I am not well versed in Unix like operating systems but I am learning Linux and Mac OS X at the moment because Windows started making me physically ill

[s243a]

More suggestions:

Try:

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find / -name '*tcsh*'

Regarding my above suggetion of looking in

~/.packages

be sure to click on the eye in your file manager (i.e. rox) so that you can see the hidden files. Filenames that start with '.' are hidden.

[musher0]

Hi, tcshhead.

If you know for a fact that the file is an Linux executable (and tcsh is),
then this one-liner, based on the execs $PATH and the tree utility, should
find it (in addition to the which utility, etc.):

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A=tcsh;echo $PATH | tr ":" "\n" | while read line;do tree -fi $line -L 3 | grep $A;done

Summary:

• You define your search term in A=something.
  Then "echo" feeds,
  via tr,
  all the directories for executables in $PATH
  to tree,
  and grep filters the results on your search term.

Advantages:

• it's fast;
  it covers a lot of ground;
  but the list of results remains easily readable.

Example with "play", a component of the SoundExchange ("SoX") suite:

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A=play;echo $PATH | tr ":" "\n" | while read line;do tree -fi $line -L 3 | grep $A;done

/usr/bin/aplay
/usr/bin/aplaymidi
/usr/bin/arecord -> aplay
/usr/bin/cdda-player
/usr/bin/ffplay
/usr/bin/flash-player-properties
/usr/bin/madplay
/usr/bin/mkplaylist
/usr/bin/pitchplay
/usr/bin/play -> sox
/usr/bin/play_cell
/usr/bin/sndfile-play
/usr/bin/sudoreplay
/usr/local/bin/bdplayback_aacs
/usr/local/bin/defaultaudioplayer
/usr/local/bin/defaultcdplayer
/usr/local/bin/defaultmediaplayer
/usr/local/bin/wavplay
/usr/local/bin/wavrec -> wavplay
/opt/local/bin/playsound
/opt/local/bin/playsound_simple
/root/my-applications/bin/playsound
/root/my-applications/bin/playsound_simple

If your Puppy does not have the tree utility by default, you can get a copy here.

IHTH

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
P.S. (for completeness) -- You can use a similar line to search for
libraries, using $LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Example with cairo.so:

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A=cairo.so;echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH | tr ":" "\n" | while read line;do tree -fi $line -L 3 | grep $A;done

/usr/lib/libcairo.so -> libcairo.so.2.11400.6
/usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 -> libcairo.so.2.11400.6
/usr/lib/libcairo.so.2.11400.6

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Note -- Those lines will not catch any exec or library installed in /opt
(e.g. /opt/palemoon/palemoon) or underneath /usr/lib itself (e.g.
/usr/lib/firefox/firefox).

[s243a]

Hi, tcshhead.

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A=play;echo $PATH | tr ":" "\n" | while read line;do tree -fi $line -L 3 | grep $A;done

That's a cool solution but if it is in the executable search path, as far as I now "which" should find it. Maybe it is somewhere else like under /opt.

[MochiMoppel]

Where does puppy install programs by default?

There is no default. And there is no "puppy" either. Every creator of a package is free to select (almost) any directory he pleases to install an app though conventions and practical considerations will limit the choice to only a few locations.

Still there is no guarantee that the executable is installed in a $PATH location, in which case the commands type or which would not find it. There is even no guarantee that the package contains an executable with the same name as the package which will leave you completely in the dark what to look for.

Every package you install will create a file in directory /root/.packages with name /root/.packages/<packagename>.files.
This is a text file and contains the names and paths of all files installed by this particular package. If you examine this file with a text editor you will find what you are looking for.

If you are comfortable with the command line you could use a command like

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grep tcsh$  /root/.packages/*.files

I've looked in every damn folder in the system.

Well, in this case you should have found it...

Example with "play", a component of the SoundExchange ("SoX") suite:

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A=play;echo $PATH | tr ":" "\n" | while read line;do tree -fi $line -L 3 | grep $A;done

Another way. Faster, simpler and saves a tree :

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find ${PATH//:/ } -name *play*

[s243a]

Example with "play", a component of the SoundExchange ("SoX") suite:

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A=play;echo $PATH | tr ":" "\n" | while read line;do tree -fi $line -L 3 | grep $A;done

Another way. Faster, simpler and saves a tree :

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find ${PATH//:/ } -name *play*

An earth day pun

[musher0]

Ah, but my one-liner awakened the competitor instinct in MochiMoppei.
I should be getting thanks. (Absent tongue-in-cheek icon goes here.)

Using bash's sub-string substitution is so passé, BTW.

[Keef]

The simplest method is probably just to try uninstalling it, then installing it again. It's not working for whatever reason, so nothing to lose.

[tcshhead]

So I see tcsh is installed in the sbin folder. So I understand how to navigate to that directory in bash but I don't understand how to run tcsh. What is the command to run tcsh? I am running 64 bit Slackware Puppy btw.

[bigpup]

Did no one read this?

If it is in /sbin.

Simply type tcsh in a console to run it.

What version of Puppy?

Use Pfind and do a search for tcsh.

In Pfind make sure in Where to search.
Select system files or all files.

The tcsh exec file is in /usr/bin

The way Puppy menus work.
Programs not specifically compiled for Puppy, may or may not make the necessary files for a menu entry. Some are made to just run from console.
the my_applications folder in puppy is a place you have to manually put something into.
Nothing ever installs into it.
Read the readme file in my_applications folder.

Xenialpup64 7.5 tcsh installed using the Puppy Package Manager(PPM)
Runs in a console, but I have no idea how to use it.

[bigpup]

I am running 64 bit Slackware Puppy btw.

That is not specific enough info.
There are several Slackware based Puppies that are 64 bit.

[s243a]

So I see tcsh is installed in the sbin folder. So I understand how to navigate to that directory in bash but I don't understand how to run tcsh. What is the command to run tcsh? I am running 64 bit Slackware Puppy btw.

can you just type tcsh in the command line? This should work since sbin should be in your PATH variable. Otherwise you can navigate to the directory, open a terminal by pressing the "~" button on your keyboard to open a terminal and then typing in tcsh Or ./tcsh or exec tcsh.

[musher0]

Yeah, he can do that.

This begs the question: does our man want to replace bash with tcsh?

[Keef]

To run tcsh just open a terminal and type tcsh and hit enter.
Are there any error messages?

If you run it directly from /sbin then also try ldd tcsh (which will list dependencies, present or not), and see what it tells you.