YAY!!! I love it... Boooo I broke it

[slowride]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STILL MAKING "REAL" LINUX

Attempting the "Install to Hardrive" option (FatDog64), has yeilded an undicipherable "Syslinux is unable to find..." message at boot. Some "badunk-adunk" has occurred on me MBR. The partition table, thank god, is fine.

I bet I've downloaded 16 Distro's trying to find "Just Plain Linux"... Apparently mainstream linux is now also 'broken by default' ... Either systemd'd or running the "Ruptured Rat" -- or whatever that bandaged mousy thing is... (don't even ask -- no I run GTK3, and yes, I insist on logging in as root unless something suspicious like "chr0me wont get you home" requires "userland")

No, I don't (WONT -- unless it's sandboxed in a VM) have windows on here. Yes, I've been running linux since Suse 6.5.... And that's the problem.

Old biddies DON'T LIKE newfangled stuff.

So, finally I tried "FatDog64" ... It's PERFECT! Everything I need, nothing that annoys me (old biddies are EASILY annoyed) except...

Just cant get it to install to the hard drive. The "Install to Hard Drive" only created the unhappy boot message. no SYSTEM went to the hard drive. ie, no files. Everything's still living on the thumb drive (happily, but... )

Searched the forum for that "breed" of puppy, and the help file, and I've been stumped about a week...


My specs

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Architecture:          x86_64
CPU op-mode(s):        32-bit, 64-bit
Byte Order:            Little Endian
CPU(s):                2
On-line CPU(s) list:   0,1
Thread(s) per core:    1
Core(s) per socket:    2
Socket(s):             1
NUMA node(s):          1
Vendor ID:             GenuineIntel
CPU family:            6
Model:                 23
Model name:            Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8400  @ 3.00GHz
Stepping:              10
CPU MHz:               2992.482
BogoMIPS:              5987.33
Virtualization:        VT-x
L1d cache:             32K
L1i cache:             32K
L2 cache:              6144K
NUMA node0 CPU(s):     0,1

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/dev/loop0: TYPE="squashfs"
/dev/loop1: TYPE="squashfs"
/dev/sda1: UUID="e4781e04-5c13-4809-9a0c-f9ad1184f9ce" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="7bb45276-01"
/dev/sda2: LABEL="7" UUID="2C62650D14767D83" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="7bb45276-02"
/dev/sda3: LABEL="STOR" UUID="09C9766250356EBE" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="7bb45276-03"
/dev/sda4: UUID="e645b130-60dc-497b-ace3-33922b3237af" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="7bb45276-04"
/dev/sdb1: LABEL="xxx4" UUID="0ad03608-06e8-49e5-b402-2a091b26d6a1" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="435e5337-01"
/dev/sdb2: LABEL="F321" UUID="9BA1-A2B3" TYPE="vfat" PARTUUID="435e5337-02"
/dev/sdb3: LABEL="WnRz" UUID="B65A41515A411013" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="435e5337-03"
/dev/sdc1: UUID="2018-01-12-00-13-06-66" LABEL="FATDOG_LIVE" TYPE="iso9660" PTUUID="05395d21" PTTYPE="dos" PARTUUID="05395d21-01"
/dev/sdc2: SEC_TYPE="msdos" LABEL="FATDOG_LIVE" UUID="A15A-ABAE" TYPE="vfat" PARTUUID="05395d21-02"
/dev/sr1: UUID="2008-05-06-12-26-42-" LABEL="U3 System" TYPE="iso9660"
/dev/sdd1: LABEL="KATY" UUID="41DEA54553D03DE6" TYPE="ntfs" PARTUUID="4ca144c6-01"
/dev/sde1: LABEL="N00" UUID="7ca4301f-757b-4a6b-8cf8-207188b651a6" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="c3072e18-01"

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Firstly, I need the bootloader to work (WITHOUT killing off the other partitions on /dev/sda). All my partitions are fine no data lost.

I'd like to install (FULLY, not frugal) the FatDog64 on /dev/sda1 -- bare naked it is, ext4 format, don't need to encrypt anything...

Also, I have been unable to discern whether I can use the ample swap partition. There is an option to creat a swap FILE... But it refuses to accept the _partition_ for that purpose. Mkswap and swapon no stranger to me, but not sure if this kinda puppy likes that flavor?

I *DO* understand the issue is that puppy is "structured" differently than any other Linux... however, I'm pretty sure a full install would move the filesystem ONTO the destination drive?

Please move this post where it belongs...

THANKS IN ADVANCE

slowride

[p310don]

I don't have a solution, but a STRONG recommendation.

I'd like to install (FULLY, not frugal) the FatDog64 on /dev/sda1

Change your mind here, do a Frugal install. It will make everything better.


re the swap partition. It should just work if its there.

[mikeslr]

Hi slowride,

p310don wasn't being pedantic. He was stating a fact which most new-comers to Puppy Linux don't know, and guess wrong.

For a quick explanation, see Mike Walsh's post. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 674#983674. For a layman's long-winded discussion of the reasons "Full" is dis-favored, see mine: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 683#980683

The other Mike and I vie for who can be the most informative. But I get paid by the word. So, it saddens me that I am honor-bond to tell you that the best place for you to post specific questions about FatDog64 is on the the thread of whichever FatDog64 you've downloaded. The FatDogs employ some techniques that are unique even among Puppies. They are developed and maintained by a dedicated Team. Occasionally I'll run one primarily to check out some innovative feature they've worked out. But knowing that FatDogs follow the Puppy tradition of running best as a Frugal Install exhausts the information I feel comfortable passing on.

You'll find the most recent FatDog64 threads here, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 928#977928 and here, http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 574#934574.

Just in case you didn't know. You post a question to a thread by clicking the "Reply" button.

mikesLr

[bigpup]

Not sure what you actually did to do the install.
So, here is the Fatdog help.
Follow the install directions it gives.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/faqs/faq.html

Puppy is designed to work as a frugal install.
Some features only when a frugal install.

Do not get hung up by the name. It still has the complete and operational OPS.

Do not think ext4 is the best format people seem to think it is.
This may change your mind.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112632

[Mike Walsh]

@slowride:-

The other Mike and I vie for who can be the most informative. But I get paid by the word.

Touché, mi amigo!

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No, in all honesty, t'other Mike and I both love using Pup. We've both amassed a fair-sized store of Puppy-specific knowledge.....and we enjoy sharing it.

Puppy is one of the 'undiscovered gems' of the Linux world. 9 out of every 10 'newbies' who try her out seem to like her, as far as I can tell.....especially the way she runs in RAM, and can do so from a USB stick. You can install 'er to a hard drive.....but even there, the 'frugal' install works better, and faster. Because she was designed to work that way.

I appreciate your wanting to use ext4, and to run a 'full' install, if you've been using other, more 'mainstream' Linux distros for any length of time. It's the method pretty much all of 'em have standardised on.....but it has the side-effect of making you think it's the only way to run Linux.

Not so.

To my way of thinking, if you're going to run Linux then, even more so than with Windoze, you should keep an open mind. Be open to the possibility that there are other ways to do things.....and don't be afraid to try them out.

Remember, too, that Linux is pretty well everywhere. The world-wide web runs on it; the top 500 supercomputers all run varieties of it. Your modern car uses it. So does your router. And the 'Internet of Things'. Etc., etc... Linux is incredibly versatile. Most of its users, too, have sooner or later learned to think 'outside the box'.

My Mum's 84 last birthday (a real 'old biddy'). She'd tinkered about with Windoze, on and off, over the years. She had a little 'play' with Puppy.....and d'you know the first thing she said to me?

"I like this!"


Mike.

[mikeslr]

The other Mike left out mention of our currently most ubiquitous device --the smartphone. Android is just a Linux variant employing a variant of java.

mikesLr

[hamoudoudou]

Happy to read about Linux for something else about office work, video or music. Most programmers in the world are working on programs only needing an electronic card.
But i prefer myself to speak about xvidcap than to manage the temperature level of an industrial oven, what we did at work.. (in fact just insert a new card, same for aircraft).

[slowride]

The other Mike left out mention of our currently most ubiquitous device --the smartphone. Android is just a Linux variant employing a variant of java.

mikesLr

Ahhhh.... the "skew-bish-que'tax" UNdroid.... dammit ya'll...

Generally, when I "LAG" responding to post, it's "cooling off" and that's NOT about the post... Much less the individual who sent it. Absolutely not ingratitude.

Java based kernel primaily due to underlying archicture more "anatomicly similar" to the (now extinct) Amiga than anything current, not even Mac --

The devices? just the dazzlingly cunning little device itself?

Most brilliantly concieved, amazing, powerful, TINY, nimble, blown-hemi powerful things I've ever encountered! In terms of the engineering, that's some down right DaVinci & Mozart kinda ooo la la mind porn... The collective GENIUS (cause each "organ" of the wee beastie involves it's own special kinda gifted ) .... ??

But what's been done to, and with them... Utter perversion.

Wonderful creative intelligences, co-operatively, competitively, collectively CREATE this jewel... then WTF? Really, it's painful to wonder very long.

Android's infinite "Tool Potential" all but utterly ignored ...

Snip, snip, snip, snip (I think there's an Android area for all that) I've been @ xda's board 5 years I guess? Don't say a whole lot,

has ANYONE here (serious, ?q?) managed to succesfully root and get a CLEAN (no google aint MY friend) CyanogenMod 11 / 12 onto ANY DEVICE manufactured post 2014? Ya I know, Android V. 8 is current, but they pretty much "broke it" (and pretty sadly) after 4.4.4 If you have, PM me. Just tell me the device, I can take it from there

Before someone gave me a usable Android ('12 I guess?) with too much time on my hands, bored outa my gourd, all of my familiar distractions involved high-octane... Loong recovery from injury put these out of reach. But in Flea Market bargain bins, sometimes even the freebie box! there were scads of still operative, but cast aside, Android devices. Electronics is a "stretching it" for a gear head, but why not try? They were free, the OBVIOUS problem I set out to solve was very simple, why not try? Countless dissections later, on a few units, I could finally locate that dumbass Lo-Jack.

Took a year before frustration convinced me that disabling, or somehow circumventing, this needlessly invasive insult... (Without "Creating a Paperweight") this was a job left to greater minds... (?q? has anyone ever managed to achieve this? That would indead be refreshing to hear)

However it is everyone else enjoys them, I'm not there yet.

TBH, I kinda liked the last "Good One" I had,

Rooted, clean, and it still had Buttons. The Lo-Jack, I knew it was there. Law Enforcement knew everyone's address long before Lo-Jack's my experience (personal, but quite limitted) has been that LEO's were able to more promptly respond before GPS/911.

I'd have replaced "Kinda Liked It" (stolen) it with a "clone" if I could,

Bandwidth & carrier changes and living never closer than 20 miles to even a small city -- Newer phones do support the new slightly more clear bands, at the cost of being unable to get a clean OS onto it. After 4.4.4, the Android OS began to do ugly things

I'm lconsidering Flip Fone or Blackberry. My own "stubborness" about iPhone puzzles the crap outa me. GTFOI silly old hen!

At work -- Yep, I'm slow, but finally picked up on it... Our hangar is across the airfield from the County "Copter Barn" ... Slowly it dawns on me, I'm the only one on the airfield with an ANDROID. Occupying an economic plateau of considerably less altitude of my peers it wasn't so strange,

First I "assumed" the deputies (its not a trade known for high pay) were "issued" iPhones. Then I eventually see, the deputies wives & kids sometimes had occaision to be around... Even the kids had iPhones... That's a pretty spendy choice, even with a sparkling credit record, for a deputy. THEN, I started looking around... Since they cost often 3x as much, where and to whom are these iPhones being sold...

Show me a physician with an Android. Show me anyone who's profession, by nature, involves being entrusted with private info using an Android.

Maybe I need to get over "Stupid" and actually LOOK at iPhone

[slowride]

than to manage the temperature level of an industrial oven, what we did at work.. (in fact just insert a new card, same for aircraft).

VERIFY, sir.

slowride

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