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Fatdog64-720 and 721 Final [11 Jan 2018]
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Atle

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Feb 2018, 15:09    Post subject: Bye bye FatDog  

Just a few minutes ago, my FatDog721 "just decided" to downgrade my Firefox from 59 til 38.5 with out my intervention. This tells me I got to stop trusting random dudes" on the internet and go for more bigger organisations like Arch or others as this scared my forever ever away from Puppyland.

I have Gslapt open and was simply watching a video at youtube, when Firefox went dead and I was able to connect using Chrome but not Firefox.

I kill firefox and restart it and BOOM I was somewhat using a browser i do not like or want the Nighly build.

I do not care about the explaination or HOW this could happen.

I just want to say that there is no way I did anything to want this or to "clikc my way to this" it just happen.

I did a "update" in Gslapt earlier today, but made sure there was no firefox updates involved, There was GTk2 and some stuff. But no Mozilla, Firefox and this is WHY i checked the files to be downloaded.

Sorry to say.

Its been ten years and FatDog as the main OS since it came, but todays experience set an end to this.

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Feb 2018, 19:34    Post subject: Re: Bye bye FatDog  

Atle wrote:


I do not care about the explaination or HOW this could happen.

I just want to say that there is no way I did anything to want this or to "clikc my way to this" it just happen.

I did a "update" in Gslapt earlier today, but made sure there was no firefox updates involved, There was GTk2 and some stuff. But no Mozilla, Firefox and this is WHY i checked the files to be downloaded.

Sorry to say.

Its been ten years and FatDog as the main OS since it came, but todays experience set an end to this.

ATle



ATle,

I don't even know where to begin with what you wrote. I am trying to decide if you are just an angry person, or you are a certified crazy-lunatic poster, or possibly both?

First off, you just happen to be watching a Youtube video AND you have Gslapt open? That right there tells me you are off your rocker.

Second, Fatdog did no such thing in just "randomly" downgrading your Firefox. You did that. No one else. You!! Evil or Very Mad If you understood how to use Gslapt, and also what you did in originally installing your Firefox----which I bet when you personally installed your Firefox, you put it in /opt, and then stupidly thought everything was fine & ok. Well, wrong! What did you think was going to happen when you did a Gslapt update today?? You think you actually "unchecked" something? I've got news for you---you DID NOT uncheck anything.

Dam#$, before you come on here blaming people (the Fatdog Team), people who actually take time out of their personal lives to construct, maintain and put out a great little distro that Fatdog is---a distro that has been, and still is, rock-solid for years now---do us all a favor & take a deep breath & stop yourself. If you can't, do us a bigger favor and NEVER post here again.

On murga-linux, there is no place for such attitude and behavior you display. 10 years a user? What an ungrateful person you are. You should be ashamed of yourself.

In all the years (going on 9 now) I have been here, it never ceases to amaze me how people blame others for their own lack of understanding and/or stupidity (or both).
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PostPosted: Fri 16 Feb 2018, 09:38    Post subject:  

snayak wrote:
I see, when I shutdown Fatdog 720, sometimes it immediately shows me "Fatdog is shutting down...", but many times it shows me this message after a long time. Till then, screen is black/blank and a single cursor on left top.

Something like this happened to me, but no more than 4-5 times, ever.
IIRC the "fix" was to switch to vt1 manually (Ctrl+Alt+F1) - the shutdown process should continue after that.

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PostPosted: Fri 16 Feb 2018, 13:47    Post subject:  

Pardon my ignorance, but I am too lazy to research this in detail.

I need to disable the uas driver in fatdog or activate the disable uas quirk in the usb-storage driver. I looked inside the massive initrd file and saw that there is a blacklist file that already specifies uas. The file is /etc/modprobe.d/initrd.conf, I think...or it is something like that. The .conf file contains only ub and uas. In the loaded fatdog OS, the blackilist file appears in the same place in the filesystem.

I also put in a blacklist_uas.conf file that contains the "options usb-storage xxxx:xxxx:u" line to activate the 'u' quirk. This method works in ubuntu. Of course, I used the rebuild initrd script to repackage the modified initrd and replace the original initrd.

The problem is that the uas driver still loads in response to my device. The kernel messages confirm this and make no mention of uas being blacklisted and usb-storage being used in its place. What is wrong? Does the blacklist file refer only to the booting process and there is needed a separate file for the loaded OS?

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Feb 2018, 09:43    Post subject:  

@ SFR:

IIRC the "fix" was to switch to vt1 manually (Ctrl+Alt+F1) - the shutdown process should continue after that.

Thanks for reporting the observation. Do you mean, first we have to manually go to vt1 and then using CLI we have to shutdown?

@ jamesbond:

I have added "video=SVIDEO-1:d" on boot parameter, in my bootloader config file. In last three shutdowns I haven't seen delay. Will reconfirm after some more observation. By the way what does this parameter say to kernel? Did some reading around it, but didn't get exact info on this.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Feb 2018, 05:53    Post subject:  

snayak wrote:
Thanks for reporting the observation. Do you mean, first we have to manually go to vt1 and then using CLI we have to shutdown?

No, if you find yourself with this blinking cursor again, just switch to vt1, that's all.
The shutdown process should start automatically.

snayak wrote:
By the way what does this parameter say to kernel? Did some reading around it, but didn't get exact info on this.

It disables SVIDEO-1 connector.
This param has fixed long bootup time for me on some very old HP laptop.
Found here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1342755
So, it might also fix a long shutdown, if the underlaying cause is similar.

Greetings!

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PostPosted: Wed 21 Feb 2018, 07:04    Post subject:  

Many thanks SFR.

Till now I haven't seen any shutdown delay after I added that kernel param. Thank you all.

Sincerely,
Srinivas Nayak

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Feb 2018, 01:45    Post subject:  

Finally I got the delay yesterday again at shutdown!
It says "video=SVIDEO-1:d" boot parameter doesn't solve the issue.

Any new solution which I can test?

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Feb 2018, 03:31    Post subject:  

Quote:
before you run AMD's installer.

What exactly do you mean? I thought I'd had to either get the firmware into the kernel (that's what I've done when I got it working on Gentoo) OR, more likely, compiled as a module.. IF possible since it's more than 1 blob. (I think 'catalyst' is no more, if that's what you mean)

Also, how would I get the OpenCL includes? Is it already in the devx SFS?

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Feb 2018, 10:35    Post subject:  

Could someone please replicate this test?

uninstall cups-2.1.3 cups-avahi cups-filter and report anything unusual.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Feb 2018, 21:09    Post subject:  

@stemsee
I tried your test. I experienced something unusual. Do I win?

Seriously, (very seriously!) Gslapt started uninstalling many or most of the installed programs, including many system programs. I'm glad it was on this machine, which is somewhat expendable. I'm using the base installation without save file, and haven't tested what I will find upon reboot.

I don't recommend anyone else try this.

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Feb 2018, 21:21    Post subject:  

Thanks for confirming my experience!

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PostPosted: Thu 22 Feb 2018, 21:49    Post subject:  

Moral of the story: Don't attempt to uninstall system programs if you don't know what you're doing.
More of the story #2: Run stuff inside sandbox if you're not sure what's gonna happen.

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Feb 2018, 00:11    Post subject:  

@jamesbond: Out of curiosity, what happened? I'm fiddling around with the current, damaged save folder, just to see what I see, but I expect to make a new save folder when the fiddling loses its appeal.

On the bright side, I only had to reboot without save file and had a working system. What other OS can do that, and in under a minute? (Not many!) Thanks, Fatdog team.

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PostPosted: Fri 23 Feb 2018, 01:14    Post subject:  

dr. Dan wrote:
@jamesbond: Out of curiosity, what happened?

I'm checking it myself. It doesn't happen if you don't update package list from ibiblio. So I'm assuming something's not right with that.

What happened is that when you tried to remove cups, you'll get another 152 packages to be removed too. I'm close to an answer but I want to confirm it to be sure.

EDIT: ibiblio's pkglist contains minor errors (which is still being fixed), but it has only little impact to what happened.

The point is this: "cups" is a dependency of gtk2. If you uninstall cups, then gtk2 will be uninstalled. Then gtk2 is uninstalled, then a whole lot of stuff (which depends on gtk2) will be uninstalled too.

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