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Fatdog64-720 and 721 Final [11 Jan 2018]
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jake29

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jan 2018, 22:23    Post subject:  

Billtoo wrote:
This dual core i3 is around 8 years old.

Core2Duo E4500 @ 2.20GHz, even older and weaker - yet exhibits none of your FF / VLC issues.
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jan 2018, 22:27    Post subject:  

Billtoo wrote:
I didn't do anything on the boot line so it's enabled.
I'm getting pauses in other things too, I opened Firefox and it wouldn't go fullscreen right away but it did after maybe 10 seconds.
Also opening VLC isn't immediate but opens and works fine after a pause, it's playing a movie dvd now.
Redrawing the screen isn't working properly at first, both firefox and vlc windows work fine now.
So I get random pauses.

This dual core i3 is around 8 years old.

Ok. Can you try to boot with "pti=off" in the boot parameter? Just want to see if that's what's changed, or is there something else.

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jan 2018, 00:42    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:


Ok. Can you try to boot with "pti=off" in the boot parameter? Just want to see if that's what's changed, or is there something else.


I tried that but I think I'll do a new install, the checksum of the iso matched but gparted took a long time to format the flash drive,maybe a problem there.

I'll give it another try in the morning on a different flash drive.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jan 2018, 07:55    Post subject: Fatdog64-720 and 721 Final [11 Jan 2018]  

I prepared a 32gb flash drive with gparted live then booted the 721 DVD
and installed to the flash drive.
Did the setup and rebooted creating a 5gb savefile.

video-info-glx 1.5.3 Fri 12 Jan 2018 on Fatdog64 721 Linux 4.14.12 x86_64
2.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 1Cool
oem: Intel(R)Ironlake Desktop Graphics Chipset Accelerated VGA BIOS
product: Intel(R)Ironlake Desktop Graphics Controller Hardware Version 0.0

X Server: Xorg Driver: intel
X.Org version: 1.19.5
dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (508x285 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.4
OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ironlake Desktop
OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 17.2.8

Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 540 @ 3.07GHz
Core 0: @1200 1: @1200 2: @1467 3: @1200 MHz


It's working fine, no delays.
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jan 2018, 15:17    Post subject: Fatdog64-720 and 721 Final [11 Jan 2018]  

I installed to a usb-3.0 SSD:

System: Host: fatdog64-e81 Kernel: 4.14.12 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Openbox 3.5.2 Distro: Fatdog64 Linux 721
Machine: Device: desktop System: LENOVO product: 7491B8U v: ThinkCentre M58e serial: MJ01509
Mobo: LENOVO model: N/A serial: INVALID BIOS: LENOVO v: 5HKT39AUS date: 06/17/2009
CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 Duo E8400 (-MCP-) speed/max: 2003/3003 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA GF108 [GeForce GT 430]
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.5 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 430/PCIe/SSE2 version: 4.3.0 NVIDIA 384.111
Network: Card: Marvell 88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: sky2
Drives: HDD Total Size: 508.8GB (9.0% used)
Weather: Conditions: 39 F (4 C) - light rain mist Time: January 12, 2:07 PM EST
Info: Processes: 142 Uptime: 1:03 Memory: 437.1/3949.1MB Client: Shell (sh) inxi: 2.3.53

Installed sfs files, proprietary nvidia driver.

It works well so far,
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sat 13 Jan 2018, 04:39    Post subject:  

A Lenovo Thinkpad X201 with an issue here: No Wi-Fi. Can't connect to wireless. Wlan0 just... isn't there. I had to use ethernet to connect. This is disappointing after everything in the older Fatdogs, using the same machine, just worked. Series 6, and all of 7 up to ver. 7.10 was really smooth sailing, but now...
EDIT: PROBLEM SOLVED. Firmware was missing.

Also, screen light won't turn on, unless I Suspend the machine from the Menu, and then turn it back on.

What do?

Also, an additional question: How do those Intel microcode patches work exactly? Is it a runtime patch done in RAM, or do they actually modify the software on the system board? Not that it matters to my machine, since it's now too old to enjoy official Intel support, but still.

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Jan 2018, 05:14    Post subject:  

Null_ID wrote:
A Lenovo Thinkpad X201 with an issue here: No Wi-Fi. Can't connect to wireless. Wlan0 just... isn't there.
You probably need the right version of your driver. Do you know what kind of driver you need or the type of wifi card you have? To find out the card use pupsysinfo: Devices>network>network controller. Or something similar in fatdog.
Then google for the right driver for your card. When you know the right kind of driver, type dmesg in console, and in the output look up the right version(s) fatdog needs/looks for. Download that version of the driver (google!) and put it in /lib/firmware/
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PostPosted: Sat 13 Jan 2018, 19:26    Post subject:  

@foxpup:

Right, so PupSysInfo in Tahrpup 606 gave me the following:

Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 [8086:4238] (rev 35)
• Kernel Driver: iwlwifi
• Memory Used: 62.51 KB
• Path: /lib/modules/3.14.79/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi.ko
• Driver Version: in-tree:
• Description: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi driver for Linux

"iwlwifi.ko"? As I recall it, this driver did exist in Fatty721, when I looked for it, but for some reason it just can't be bothered to activate now.

Just in case I remembered wrong, and F721 doesn't have that driver, can I transplant it from Fatdog 7.10, where I know for a fact it still worked?
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PostPosted: Sat 13 Jan 2018, 20:00    Post subject:  

Null_ID wrote:
can I transplant it from Fatdog 7.10, where I know for a fact it still worked?

It is not the .ko you need (that is kernel specific), but the file "iwlwifi-6000....ucode" in /lib/firmware. On the dots is the version. Look in the output of the command dmesg in console to find which version(s) you need. One of the listed versions you will find is enough.
It is possible you find a fitting version in Fatdog7.10, but it is not sure. Newer kernels want newer versions.
You can google the version you want; add ubuntu to your search, for it is surely already in a ubuntu package.
BTW, this page tells you what kernel is needed for your intel network card:https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html The version there will probably not be the right one.
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PostPosted: Sat 13 Jan 2018, 23:25    Post subject:  

@Billtoo, thanks for testing. Glad that the problem seems to the flash related.

@Null_ID: @foxpup is right, it's most likely missing firmware.

To be sure, please do this: Open Control Panel, click the "Utilities" tab, scroll down, double-click "Bug Report Info Collector". When the process is finished, upload it somewhere where we can look at it. It saves us from playing 20 questions.

@foxpup: thanks for helping.

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Jan 2018, 02:55    Post subject:  

Null_ID here again, Wi-Fi problem solved. I was indeed missing some firmware. Dmesg notified me about the following:
Quote:
[ 4.240641] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-6000-6.ucode failed with error -2
[ 4.240696] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-6000-5.ucode failed with error -2
[ 4.240746] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode failed with error -2
[ 4.240749] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: no suitable firmware found!
[ 4.240751] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: minimum version required: iwlwifi-6000-4
[ 4.240752] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: maximum version supported: iwlwifi-6000-6
[ 4.240754] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: check git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git

The solution: I pulled "iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode" from the firmwares SFS that is being offered on page 1, put it to /lib/firmware, and rmmod/modprobed iwldvm and iwlwifi back into action. Unhappy as I may be that such crucial piece of code was excised from this release, I nevertheless now have wireless again. Will edit my previous post to reflect this. Thanks to all who gave input, it put me trough the right steps.
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Jan 2018, 04:54    Post subject:  

Booting from windows unetbootin... Its asking me for a bulldog login... ?
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Jan 2018, 05:06    Post subject:  

Null_ID wrote:
Unhappy as I may be that such crucial piece of code was excised from this release,
It is not easy to know which versions are needed for a specific kernel, and for new kernels the versions may not even exist on the moment of release. Besides, Fatdog provides it in fdrv. Smile
Quote:
I pulled "iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode" from the firmwares SFS
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PostPosted: Sun 14 Jan 2018, 05:25    Post subject:  

Anniekin wrote:
Booting from windows unetbootin... Its asking me for a bulldog login... ?


Did you boot initrd or nano-initrd? If you boot nano-initrd, you need to copy the boot parameters so that it can find the (huge initrd). You can find the correct parameters from either isolinux.cfg or from grub.cfg from the ISO file.

@foxpup - indeed, it is not easy. In the line up to 720, we changed our way to identify the firmware. We have been missing firmware in 720beta, 720 and we hope to fix it once and for all with 721. Obviously there are still work to do.

EDIT: in Null_ID's case, the iwlwifi module notifies that it requires iwlwifi-6000-6.ucode, which doesn't exist in the firmware collection. However, it can work with iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode which does exist in the firmware collection. However (and this is the most important part) - the fact that it can work with iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode - is not advertised anywhere, short of running the iwlwifi module itself, or actually reading the source code. There is no automated way to extract this knowledge from the module. Thus it is impossible for us to know unless someone like Null_ID reports the case.

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Jan 2018, 14:35    Post subject:  

jamesbond wrote:
@foxpup - indeed, it is not easy. In the line up to 720, we changed our way to identify the firmware. We have been missing firmware in 720beta, 720 and we hope to fix it once and for all with 721. Obviously there are still work to do.

EDIT: in Null_ID's case, the iwlwifi module notifies that it requires iwlwifi-6000-6.ucode, which doesn't exist in the firmware collection. However, it can work with iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode which does exist in the firmware collection. However (and this is the most important part) - the fact that it can work with iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode - is not advertised anywhere, short of running the iwlwifi module itself, or actually reading the source code. There is no automated way to extract this knowledge from the module. Thus it is impossible for us to know unless someone like Null_ID reports the case.
I've had something similar, I don't remember the exact distro. When I installed a version that was in the messages' list, it did not work, I had to take another version from the list.
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