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#41 Post by stowpirate »

Aspire One Netbook WiFi module? Will not load automatically so dropped from build?

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#42 Post by mikeslr »

Hi stowpirate,

Most likely, it's a problem with XenialPup not recognizing your graphics card/driver. But to even get started trying to figure out what, if anything, can be done we'd need more information, such as:

Specific model --they have names and numbers-- of your Aspire One Netbook WiFi. That much at least might provide a clue enabling us to search for its specs which might give us one or more possible graphics cards/drivers installed by Aspire.

Most operating systems have installed, or available to be installed, applications to provide reports about hardware present. Can you boot into any Puppy? If so, see if Pup-Sysinfo is on Menu>Systems. If not, you can obtain it here: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 411#579411



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#43 Post by musher0 »

tallboy wrote:Thank you for the info, musher0.

What does CE stand for?

tallboy
"CE" stands for "Community Edition".
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#44 Post by musher0 »

stowpirate wrote:Aspire One Netbook WiFi module? Will not load automatically so dropped from build?
Hello stowpirate.

I must confess I know nothing about wifi. I have a very good cable service and I
seldom travel.

The drivers for wifi, sound cards, mice, tablets, etc., etc., are in the sfs called
zdrv_xenial_7.0.6.sfs. This sfs should be in the same directory where you installed
your xenialPup.

In my builds, I never "drop" anything important like drivers.

As mikesLr mentioned, we need more info, some specs, in other words, about
your Pup and your hardware, so we can go hunting for your wifi driver.

It's probably in the zdrv; it could be that it is not activated, and there's a relatively
easy technique for that.

If it is not in the zdrv, your wifi driver is probably on the Internet somewhere, and
then it is a matter of hunting it down, incorporating it to the Pup and activating it.

I suspect the hardest part may be the "hunting". :) Because it is not that difficult to
incorporate/install an additional driver to a Linux.

BFN.
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#45 Post by musher0 »

@stowpirate:

Someone is asking a similar question here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... ost#976998

IHTH.
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#46 Post by musher0 »

Hello all.

I've assembled a sfs out of the F-Prot Anti-Virus utility, which still exists.

If you need a simple to use but good AV, it's available through here.

Enjoy.
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#47 Post by s243a »

Hello musher0,

I noticed that you main link linked to a french version. I'm not sure if this is right one or not for English users.

I saw some version here:
http://augras.eu/puppy_linux/?dir=mushe ... Os_de_base

that didn't say french and look like they might be using an older kernal. I'm downloading them also to try. Have you noticed any speed difference with going older then the 4.1 kernal or did you find the 4.1 kernal optimal on your system? How old was the computer tat you tested it on?

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#48 Post by Sailor Enceladus »

s243a wrote:Have you noticed any speed difference with going older then the 4.1 kernal or did you find the 4.1 kernal optimal on your system? How old was the computer tat you tested it on?
In my experience, musher0's Xenialpup-7.0.6 performs the best and seems the most stable out of all the modern puppies (ie. puppy 7-series) I've tried on my laptop, which is almost 13 years old now.

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#49 Post by s243a »

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
s243a wrote:Have you noticed any speed difference with going older then the 4.1 kernal or did you find the 4.1 kernal optimal on your system? How old was the computer tat you tested it on?
In my experience, musher0's Xenialpup-7.0.6 performs the best and seems the most stable out of all the modern puppies (ie. puppy 7-series) I've tried on my laptop, which is almost 13 years old now.
But do we get the same results for newer machines? For instance on virtualbox on a more modern machine I found Racy to be quite a bit faster than Wary even though Wary has an older kernal.

Perhaps there is a trade-off where older kernals are faster on older mahcines but only to a point and after said point the newer kernal will actually be faster.

Perhaps the official Xenialpup 4.9 kernal is faster on the most bleeding edge machines but for most machines the 4.1 kernal will be faster and this is especially true for older computers.

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#50 Post by musher0 »

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
s243a wrote:Have you noticed any speed difference with going older then the 4.1 kernal or did you find the 4.1 kernal optimal on your system? How old was the computer t[h]at you tested it on?
In my experience, musher0's Xenialpup-7.0.6 performs the best and seems the most stable out of all the modern puppies (ie. puppy 7-series) I've tried on my laptop, which is almost 13 years old now.
Geez, Sailor.

You should try to warn me in advance if you know you are going to write
compliments like that about my work. Your words went right to my head!!! ROFL
Unexpected, it's quite a feeling!!! :) I had to hang on to my chair and breathe
from a paper bag for a full minute! :lol:

Simply put: Many thanks for the unexpected compliment!

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@s243a:

In French, we have a proverb that goes: "Who can do more can do less," Same
with computers. Replace "who" with "what", and you have a general principle for
any technology.

IMO, unless one absolutely needs feature X in the newest kernel, why use it if the
Puppy runs more than well with an older kernel on your older machine?

I think Anglophones have a related saying: "If it runs, don't fix it?" ;)

I hope the above paragraphs answer your question at least in part.

BFN.
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#51 Post by musher0 »

s243a wrote:Hello musher0,

I noticed that you main link linked to a french version. I'm not sure if this is right one or not for English users.

I saw some version here:
http://augras.eu/puppy_linux/?dir=mushe ... Os_de_base

that didn't say french and look like they might be using an older kernal. I'm downloading them also to try. Have you noticed any speed difference with going older then the 4.1 kernal or did you find the 4.1 kernal optimal on your system? How old was the computer t[h]at you tested it on?
Hello s243a.

I didn't say "French" specifically because my Pups are designed to use the default
language the user has defined.

If the language variable in your Puppy is LANG=en_SOME-COUNTRY (e.g.
en_CA, en_US, en_AU, etc.), it will run in English. I did not remove anything from
the original Puppy; I just added French locales for programs at
/usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES. If you have no need for those French locales,
you can safely remove the fr and fr_CA directories from that location.

The "Toutou Linux" derivatives by forum members esmourguit and now Médor are
French only. But me being from the "True North Proud and Free" ;) and not
from France, my Pups are bilingual English-French. I don't call them
"Toutous" either: they are true Puppies, just with some additional French.

As to how old my machine is, the HP Compaq 6715b I'm on now was released
in 2007. You can find the specs here. I have also attached an lscpu report.

As to speed, on my now 10-year old machine 666philb's original xenialPup-7 with
kernel 4.9 was "as slow as molasses in winter", as the saying goes. That is the
reason why I switched to kernel version 4.1. Ubuntu ships Xenial Xerus with kernel
version 4.5.

Is it optimal? Maybe, maybe not. Before giving a definite answer to that question,
one would have to test the XenialPup-706 with a lot of kernels. I didn't...

What I can tell you is that it now performs very fast in any situation. Since I have
changed the kernel to v. 4.1, I have had no bottlenecks at all on this machine,
even with 2 big apps (e.g. Opera 12.16 + PaleMoon-2.27, or U_Light browser +
apacheOpenOffice) running at the same time. It never crashed on me.

I hope the above answers your question at least in part.

BFN
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#52 Post by s243a »

musher0 wrote: As to how old my machine is, the HP Compaq 6715b I'm on now was released
in 2007. You can find the specs here. I have also attached an lscpu report.
Can I assume that you installed puppy to your hard drive? In another thread I'm suggesting that Xenial could run much slower if ran of a USB 2.0 stick on ram limited machines:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=112438

However, maybe your kernal swap keeps ram usage low enough that it will still run well on a USB 2.0 stick on a machine with only 1GB of ram. I will let you know when I get an opportunity to test this but maybe someone has done so already.

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#53 Post by musher0 »

Hello again.

Yes I am running my Puppy from a 220 Gb's Solid State HD, and I have 4 Gb's
of RAM installed. The size of my swap partition is 2.5 Gb's.

Because of that HW capacity I indeed get snappy IO transfers. However IO is not
the only factor. One should bear in mind that any Puppy runs in RAM on any
machine*, which makes it exceptionally fast, even on older machines.

If you fear that a xenialPup with even kernel 4.1 could bog down your old compy,
I don't think anybody would see any harm in you trying kernel 3.16 with the
xenialPup-7. Switching kernels is easy now, thanks to stemsee's work.

Or try a tahrPup ? They are versioned "6". Just a few thoughts.

Best of luck.
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#54 Post by s243a »

musher0 wrote:Hello again.

Yes I am running my Puppy from a 220 Gb's Solid State HD, and I have 4 Gb's
of RAM installed. The size of my swap partition is 2.5 Gb's.

Because of that HW capacity I indeed get snappy IO transfers. However IO is not
the only factor. One should bear in mind that any Puppy runs in RAM on any
machine, which makes it exceptionally fast, even on older machines.

If you fear that even kernel 4.1 could bog fdown your old compy, I don't think
anybody would see any harm in you trying kernel 3.16 with the xenialPup-7.
Switching kernels is not difficult at all, you know, not anymore, thanks to
stemsee's work.

Or try a tahrPup ? They are versioned "6". Just a few thoughts.

Best of luck.
I know tahrpup works well with only 1GB of ram while running off USB 2.0 media.

Write speed matters if you are near your ram limits because puppy will flush files from ram to a lower layer if you are near your ram limits. If puppy has to do this a lot then it will be a noticeable speed impact on slower media like USB 2.0 or ultra ATA.; and at some point it will be no different then if you were reading the files directly off the USB 2.0 media which is 100x slower than USB 3.0.

I'll do some testing when I get back from vacation with running xenial pup with older kernals and see if the the RAM usage of the OS can be low enough to make running xenial pup on USB 2.0 a sensible choice over tahrpup.

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#55 Post by s243a »

Sailor Enceladus wrote:
s243a wrote:Have you noticed any speed difference with going older then the 4.1 kernal or did you find the 4.1 kernal optimal on your system? How old was the computer tat you tested it on?
In my experience, musher0's Xenialpup-7.0.6 performs the best and seems the most stable out of all the modern puppies (ie. puppy 7-series) I've tried on my laptop, which is almost 13 years old now.
How much ram do you have on this computer and what kind of drive did you install puppy on (e.g. SATA I or SATA II).

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#56 Post by musher0 »

s243a ?

Sailor E. will answer -- or maybe decide not to.

As for me, I'm getting suspicious about your questions. They are starting to look
like an enquiry. What is your point exactly? Covert criticism? You want someone
here to give you a newish computer? I'm not getting it this time.

There are tons of info on this forum and on Puppy sites about the requirements to
run a Puppy Linux distro.

You do not need to pose questions about people's hardware to run a Puppy. You
burn one on a CD/DVD or "dd" one to a USB drive, and run it. If you are not
happy with that particular Puppy, or if it does not fit your hardware, there are at
minimum 999 other Puppies stored at the archive.net site for you to choose from.

Regards.
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#57 Post by Sailor Enceladus »

s243a wrote:How much ram do you have on this computer and what kind of drive did you install puppy on (e.g. SATA I or SATA II).
Hi s243a,

I put it in a folder on my ext4 partition on hard drive and booted with grub4dos. I have 1GB RAM but also have a 2-3GB swap-partition. There are various problems I've had with other modern puppies with delays, freezing, instability, I think it was not only the 4.1 kernel but how musher0 compiled the woof-CE 7.0.6 base and put it all together without any additional post-build hacks that made it all a fluid experience, so I would download this entire iso instead of just swapping around kernels in the regular xenialpup. The best way to know for sure what works best on your machine is to try it out of course :)
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#58 Post by s243a »

musher0 wrote:s243a ?

Sailor E. will answer -- or maybe decide not to.

As for me, I'm getting suspicious about your questions. They are starting to look
like an enquiry. What is your point exactly? Covert criticism? You want someone
here to give you a newish computer? I'm not getting it this time.

There are tons of info on this forum and on Puppy sites about the requirements to
run a Puppy Linux distro.

You do not need to pose questions about people's hardware to run a Puppy. You
burn one on a CD/DVD or "dd" one to a USB drive, and run it. If you are not
happy with that particular Puppy, or if it does not fit your hardware, there are at
minimum 999 other Puppies stored at the archive.net site for you to choose from.

Regards.
I was updating this page"
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/WhatPuppyLinuxIsBestForYou

which was horribly out-dated. (Old Version of This Page)

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#59 Post by musher0 »

Aaaaahhhhhhh! Now you're telling us! :)
I did not know that you were the maintainer of that page.
My apologies.

I wish you and all Puppyists a "Happy, Healthy and Successful New Year 2018"!
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Re: xenialPup-7.0.6 32-bits with kernel 4.1

#60 Post by s243a »

musher0 wrote: To the core of the matter: xenialPup-7.0.6 with kernel 4.1 now works
speedily on my old box. Hopefully, it will run at a reasonable speed on
your old box as well.
....
Available here: http://augras.eu/puppy_linux/?dir=musher0/Dpup_Stretch

Enjoy!

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PS. FYI, ubuntu's xenial xerus comes with kernel 4.4.
I think this is the link:

http://augras.eu/puppy_linux/?dir=mushe ... k41/distro

I'll know once I try it.

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