Brexit Pup Stage 2 - Released 15th January 2018

[april]

So ETP Any answers on my queries?
Looks like a remake of Precise with 64 bit and a new dialog program

[ETP]

April, I did reply at the bottom of the previous page but in the light of your comments together with musher0's comments
regarding his test on the WoofCE produced ISO used as a base for Brexit Pup, now intend to add a new recommendation
to the original post in this thread.

You have both found that this later kernel (k 4.9.15) runs like a sloth on mogadon on older hardware.
That does not bode well for Brexit's Internet TV features.

To avoid further disappointment I will suggest that Brexit requires a minimum of an i3 CPU or the AMD equivalent.
Thanks to you both for testing.

[musher0]

@ETP

Thanks for the confirmation.

Do you think the speed issue could be solved by a 32-bit edition with, say,
a 4.1 kernel? Or is it a waste of time to even think about it?

TIA for any pointer.

[ETP]

Hi musher0,

It seems to be the case that "Puppy" in general is slowing down with the newer kernels.

As an example I was shocked at just how much slower Barry's Quirky Xerus64 8.3 k 4.11.12 issued
in July 2017 was in comparison to to his Quirky Xerus64 8.0 Final k 4.4.7 issued April 2016.

The earlier Pup was faster running a full install from a USB2 stick than the later Pup installed on a USB3 stick.

They were full installs and of course you cannot get faster than running entirely in RAM.
Over the years I have also observed that for any given 64-bit hardware the 32-bit version of
any given Pup will in general out perform its 64-bit version.

We are currently between a rock and a hard place with browsers insisting on the latest kernels & security updates
which require faster machines and the need to keep Puppy running on old hardware.
To get back to your question:

Once you have a stick available you may want to try TV/PVR Pup V4 with your Turion 64X2 TL52.
That is a 32-bit Pup based on Xenial 7.0.4 with the k 4.1.31 (i686) kernel. It runs entirely in RAM.

In the release notes for that I recommended:

Whilst this is a 32-bit Pup it's HD features really require a quick 64-bit PC (i3 or above), DDR3 memory and a largish monitor.
A wired connection is also recommended together with an Internet connection download speed of at least 10Mbps.

That was to ensure that the BBC HD TV streams could be handled.
Outside of the UK that panel can be toggled off by an option on the desktop menu.
That will then give you something very similar to Brexit with OB plus vlc & kodi.
The latest Chromium pet for that is 60.0.3112.78 which I do not propose to update further.
Palemoon & Thunderbird are updatable to their latest versions.

[musher0]

Thanks, EDP.

I might give your TV/PVR Pup a go when I have a minute. (I have a
translation to return Monday noon.)

Since you built this Brexit Pup, perhaps you know this:
is there a way to locate a 4.1 or even a 4.4 (ubuntu's original choice for
xenial) 32-bit kernel and swap it for 666philb's 4.9 in his 32-bit xenialPup?

I know that the 32-bit kernels are swappable without penalty for the
DPupStretch-7, but maybe it's the exception that confirms the rule?

For example, I switched my original 3.14 32-bit kernel (from late March)
with OscarTalks 4.4 kernel (from late Sept.) and then back to a 3.16.43
LTS kernel and this Dpup-7 kept humming happily. No glitches whatsoever.

Thanks in advance for any lead.

~~~~~~~~~~
In conclusion, if I may, a reaction to "Puppyists being caught between a
rock and a hard place because they have older computers trying to run
monster browsers", NOT to quote you verbatim!!!

-=> This may be a "business opportunity", so to speak, for the smaller
browsers, links2, NetSurf, qupzilla and the like, to fill the gap and show
their full capacities.
~~~~~~~~~~

Have a great day!

[ETP]

@ musher0,

Sorry, but I am not familiar with swapping kernels. 666philb has of late been active
again on the forum and would be best placed to answer that question.
Perhaps you could send him a pm?

[musher0]

@ musher0,

Sorry, but I am not familiar with swapping kernels. 666philb has of late been active
again on the forum and would be best placed to answer that question.
Perhaps you could send him a pm?

Has he? That's great news! Thanks. Will do.

BFN.

[musher0]

Hello all.

A bit off-thread but still related:
a xenialPup-7.0.8 32-bits with kernel 4.1 is now available here:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... ost#971619

BFN.

[fredx181]

Maybe it helps someone, I have extremely slow boot with any kernel 4.8 or higher on a HP compaq 6710b laptop and found solution here:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php ... 4#p1689914
Adding this to kernel boot command line solves the problem for me:

Code: Select all

video=SVIDEO-1:d

Seems like more older machines are affected by this kernel bug?

More reports:
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/51703
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98810

Fred

[musher0]

I just tried it. Is your trick supposed to do anything. fredx?

I still have to wait 15 seconds fro deadbeef to run, whereas on the xenialPup with the
4.1 kernel 32 bits, similar wait is only 5 seconds.

On the xenialPup kernel 4.9 64 bits, it's also a 15 seconds wait for abiword, gnumeric,
geany, etc., the first time your riun them.

This is unreal.

[fredx181]

Hi musher0, then the problem you have is different from mine.
Without the trick booting time for me is around 100 sec, (re)starting X is veeery slow also (and X crashing sometimes). All is normal for me if I boot with the video=... addition (boot time only 17 sec. then)

Fred

[pp4mnklinux]

HI:



Can u make an ISO file so it could be easy to install and test??

THANKs IN ADVANCE.

[ETP]

Hi pp4mnklinux,

I do not intend to issue an ISO of Brexit Pup as I consider the issued image format to be superior.

If you wish to establish whether your hardware will handle the later 64-bit k 4.9.15 kernel you are
welcome to a copy of the WoofCE produced ISO & devx which were used as a base for Brexit Pup.

Musher0 found that to be slow in the extreme on his older hardware and IMHO these later kernels
require a minimum of an i3 CPU or the AMD equivalent.
They can be found here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing

If that does not run well on your hardware neither will Brexit.

[april]

Actually a big part of the problems here seem to be your assumptions !
When I start Pale Moon for instance it immediately launches into a video broadcast which you don't realise is going on . So its madly downloading data behind the scenes that you may not even know about.

For anyone with a poor connection or limited download ability thats disasterous.
You have just assumed everyone is the same as you and they are not.

You need to turn off all these heavy downloads first

Then Palemoon is reasonable

Deadbeef comes up in 4 seconds for me with a 2core pentium chip
Abiword 4 secs
Geany 2 secs
Gnumeric 3 secs

Thats all with palemoon running in the background so I'm pretty happy with those.
I've had an issue with my MG2560 Cannon printer in that I need to get and position a .ppd file for it to print and even then it won't print the test pages in Precise 5.7.1 with the latest CUPS 2.5.5 but here it installed and worked so the ppd files must be fairly up to date

I like Pale moon now as I have also been able to install lastpass and adblock sucessfully

[april]

I am having trouble with persistence.

This CBSN video insists on starting anyhow and how do I stop it?
The Lastpass and adblock addons that I carefully installed have gone on the next boot?Tried reinstalling and saving a couple of times just in case. No good

The bookmarks I installed were gone too?

That bloody warning alarm for no internet connection needs obliterating . As if we don't have enough noise pollution going on around us without you adding it here . How do I get it gone?

[ETP]

Hi april,

Thanks for continuing to test this Pup.
You need to have another look at item 8 of the main features in the original post in this thread
together with the the text copy of the startup-sound script in the download folder for further information.

The CBSN "video" you mention has nothing to do with Pale Moon and is in fact a very low bandwidth live network stream being played
in a borderless window by mpv. It's launch is intentional but if you launched something else before the few seconds it takes to
start it would appear on top of the other app.

The logic behind this is that most people's first action at boot up is to check the news. Hence the do nothing option will
result in that. To quit it you simply press q To toggle between windowed or full-screen mode press f

I accept that this automatic launch will not suit everyone in which case simply comment out line 30 in the
/root/noob/startup-sound script. The CBSN icon on wbar can be used to launch it at anytime.

You are obviously seeing and hearing a false internet connection alarm as on your hardware the test is being made too early.
To rectify that so that it only triggers when there is genuinely no connection, change the sleep period on line 18
from 13 (seconds) to 18 (seconds)- more if need be. A early (genuine) alarm can be very handy with wireless connections.

The app launch times on your 2core pentium chip are not good but that is really a consequence of these later 64-bit kernels.
IMHO you would get far better performance on your hardware with a 32-bit Pup such as peebee's new ArtfulPup which looks
set to restore people's faith in Puppy.

[ETP]

@ april

Please see previous post:
With regard to you persistence question there are 2 ways of saving.

1. During a session you can click on the desktop save icon at anytime.

2. At the end of a session you are offered a choice to save or not. If you decide to save you must
press enter save within 60 seconds or there will be no save or no further save since you last clicked on the desktop save icon.

If that is not working correctly can you please check that the contents of the 3rd partition on the stick
match the following. (You will probably not have the LibreOffice sfs but everthing else should be identical)

[april]

Hi april,
You need to have another look at item 8 of the main features in the original post in this thread
together with the the text copy of the startup-sound script in the download folder for further information. Ok will do

The CBSN "video" you mention has nothing to do with Pale Moon and is in fact a very low bandwidth live network stream being played
in a borderless window by mpv. It's launch is intentional but if you launched something else before the few seconds it takes to
start it would appear on top of the other app.

The logic behind this is that most people's first action at boot up is to check the news. Hence the do nothing option will
result in that. To quit it you simply press q To toggle between windowed or full-screen mode press f

I accept that this automatic launch will not suit everyone in which case simply comment out line 30 in the
/root/noob/startup-sound script. The CBSN icon on wbar can be used to launch it at anytime. Ill try those- Yes they seem to have stuck too
You are obviously seeing and hearing a false internet connection alarm as on your hardware the test is being made too early.
To rectify that so that it only triggers when there is genuinely no connection, change the sleep period on line 18
from 13 (seconds) to 18 (seconds)- more if need be. A early (genuine) alarm can be very handy with wireless connections.Mine can take 30 seconds to activate properly through a USB adaptor-took it to 30 and that seems long enough too
The app launch times on your 2core pentium chip are not good but that is really a consequence of these later 64-bit kernels.I thought that was pretty good ,Precise is about the same in 32
IMHO you would get far better performance on your hardware with a 32-bit Pup such as peebee's new ArtfulPup which looks
set to restore people's faith in Puppy.Don't belittle your work . I like to try new stuff and this seems useable if I can get it to do what I want and stop what I don't. What i say might change how you send it out anyhow-Thanks

[april]

@ april

Please see previous post:
With regard to you persistence question there are 2 ways of saving.

1. During a session you can click on the desktop save icon at anytime.

2. At the end of a session you are offered a choice to save or not. If you decide to save you must
click on save within 60 seconds or there will be no save or no further save since you last clicked on the desktop save icon. Did all of those a number of times

If that is not working correctly can you please check that the contents of the 3rd partition on the stick
match the following. (You will probably not have the LibreOffice sfs but everthing else should be identical)

I added a file I want to use outside the savefile but it might not work there but essentially its all the same -see screenshot

When I look closer the savefile is not being changed even though it goes through all the motions . I created a directory OK so its not a permission problem?

[april]

Can you tell me where I will find .sfs files for this and in particular I need a video editor please

I found on the first post
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... sp=sharing