Legacy OS 2017 Released
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Hello jeffneedle,
To get this look in Puppy Tahr you need the ICEWM Window Manager and a large part of KDE3 plus Legacy's themes. If you're running ICEWM on Puppy Tahr and want the ICEWM themes please let me know.
To get this look in Puppy Tahr you need the ICEWM Window Manager and a large part of KDE3 plus Legacy's themes. If you're running ICEWM on Puppy Tahr and want the ICEWM themes please let me know.
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Legacy OS 2017 has been released.
Hi john, and Congratulations for your latest release!
I downloaded a copy from your sourceforge site earlier today, and am currently running a live-CD copy on a Dell Inspiron 1100, c2003 with P4 2.6GHz CPU, 2GB ram (yes I know that the manufacturers say there's a 1.5GB limit, but thanks to the wisdom of Mike Walsh on things Inspiron, I happily know better now). It's working really well - very snappy, especially compared to the XP home edition inherited on the 80GB hard-drive.
Really appreciate that you have developed your distro so comprehensively - standout is the Control Panel, and your IceWM/KDE combination of environment and applications hasn't skipped a beat.
(Yay! Magic-scripts is still on board!)
I can see that you've really spent blood sweat and tears on this - great choice of applications with plenty of options for a new user (especially I think) to explore and see what works best for them.
I'm writing in haste - there's certainly much more working OOTB without a startup delay of more than 3s - well, Scribus was about 5s but still noticeably faster than my Scribus on a TahrPup32 with over 6Gb ram - that was a pleasant surprise, cheers!
Like belham2 demonstrated earlier, some tweaking will be required to have this Xorg get the best out of the Digital Panel 1366x768 pixels - still very crisp but not getting the best out of your gorgeous backgrounds. No biggie, that won't take long to modify. REALLY appreciate seeing the new wifi applications you have included here - wlassistant and Rutilt. I see you have included the caveat on limited wifi support, and yes I'll have to hunt out a Puppy2-friendly driver for my DWL-G630 D-Link AirPlusG cardbus (pcmcia) wifi modem. Works well on the XP side of operation, maybe gives me a chance to try and dig out an ndiswrapper driver for the first time.
Again, great to see your efforts up to the fore again - Thanks John!
I downloaded a copy from your sourceforge site earlier today, and am currently running a live-CD copy on a Dell Inspiron 1100, c2003 with P4 2.6GHz CPU, 2GB ram (yes I know that the manufacturers say there's a 1.5GB limit, but thanks to the wisdom of Mike Walsh on things Inspiron, I happily know better now). It's working really well - very snappy, especially compared to the XP home edition inherited on the 80GB hard-drive.
Really appreciate that you have developed your distro so comprehensively - standout is the Control Panel, and your IceWM/KDE combination of environment and applications hasn't skipped a beat.
(Yay! Magic-scripts is still on board!)
I can see that you've really spent blood sweat and tears on this - great choice of applications with plenty of options for a new user (especially I think) to explore and see what works best for them.
I'm writing in haste - there's certainly much more working OOTB without a startup delay of more than 3s - well, Scribus was about 5s but still noticeably faster than my Scribus on a TahrPup32 with over 6Gb ram - that was a pleasant surprise, cheers!
Like belham2 demonstrated earlier, some tweaking will be required to have this Xorg get the best out of the Digital Panel 1366x768 pixels - still very crisp but not getting the best out of your gorgeous backgrounds. No biggie, that won't take long to modify. REALLY appreciate seeing the new wifi applications you have included here - wlassistant and Rutilt. I see you have included the caveat on limited wifi support, and yes I'll have to hunt out a Puppy2-friendly driver for my DWL-G630 D-Link AirPlusG cardbus (pcmcia) wifi modem. Works well on the XP side of operation, maybe gives me a chance to try and dig out an ndiswrapper driver for the first time.
Again, great to see your efforts up to the fore again - Thanks John!
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Hello Puppyt, give my "How To" a go as I use the DWL 650G Card to connect to WiFi.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/legacy ... f/download
Also it looks like you battery monitor icon isn't at the bottom. Follow these instructions and hopefully you'll be able to see your Laptop Battery charge state.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/legacy ... f/download
https://sourceforge.net/projects/legacy ... f/download
Also it looks like you battery monitor icon isn't at the bottom. Follow these instructions and hopefully you'll be able to see your Laptop Battery charge state.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/legacy ... f/download
Legacy OS 2017 has been released.
Hi John,
thank you for the rapid response - I had missed those tutorials/fact sheets that you have provided on your website, so I appreciate your help pointing those out for me. They look really helpful and particularly non-threatening to anyone new to non-MicroSoft environments, I think.
Currently I'm busy back in XP, ultra-defragging the HDD on the Dell so that I can do a dual-boot with Legacy2017, as a frugal install on a separate partition. Reckon this one is a keeper. Just some thoughts - I was surprised not to see Wine included. Perhaps it will be available in your repository at some future stage, given I think your aim to assist Windblown refugees over to the Puppy/alternative approach? Somehow I seem to recall Wine was standard in your earlier versions - but I may be quite mistaken given that it adds extra overhead and may not be used much by your broader intended audience. Don't get me wrong - I think Wine is generally better out than in.
*In my opinion*, recalling my earlier days getting into Puppy it was always really helpful to use pupplets that had Winkey functionality built-in. Of course not all hotkey combos are applicable in Puppy, but the old standby's of Win+f for search (pFind) etc would be especially encouraging to keep in for new refugees, given the initially daunting appearance of (treeless) Rox etc that may tend to discourage new users.
The only other thought I had was regarding the multiple desktops. In laptop operation the smaller screen area is a hassle without the ability to slide application windows around to new spaces. Something XP never got the hang of, especially, and arguably something Linux runs rings around anything that MicroSoft has offered. But I couldn't see how easy this is to achieve with IceWM's windows management. Is there a how-to for that somewhere perhaps - but don't dig it out for me. I just saw that you've had 800 downloads from your site in what, 28hrs since your release statement? You are going to be busy! Well done.
thank you for the rapid response - I had missed those tutorials/fact sheets that you have provided on your website, so I appreciate your help pointing those out for me. They look really helpful and particularly non-threatening to anyone new to non-MicroSoft environments, I think.
Currently I'm busy back in XP, ultra-defragging the HDD on the Dell so that I can do a dual-boot with Legacy2017, as a frugal install on a separate partition. Reckon this one is a keeper. Just some thoughts - I was surprised not to see Wine included. Perhaps it will be available in your repository at some future stage, given I think your aim to assist Windblown refugees over to the Puppy/alternative approach? Somehow I seem to recall Wine was standard in your earlier versions - but I may be quite mistaken given that it adds extra overhead and may not be used much by your broader intended audience. Don't get me wrong - I think Wine is generally better out than in.
*In my opinion*, recalling my earlier days getting into Puppy it was always really helpful to use pupplets that had Winkey functionality built-in. Of course not all hotkey combos are applicable in Puppy, but the old standby's of Win+f for search (pFind) etc would be especially encouraging to keep in for new refugees, given the initially daunting appearance of (treeless) Rox etc that may tend to discourage new users.
The only other thought I had was regarding the multiple desktops. In laptop operation the smaller screen area is a hassle without the ability to slide application windows around to new spaces. Something XP never got the hang of, especially, and arguably something Linux runs rings around anything that MicroSoft has offered. But I couldn't see how easy this is to achieve with IceWM's windows management. Is there a how-to for that somewhere perhaps - but don't dig it out for me. I just saw that you've had 800 downloads from your site in what, 28hrs since your release statement? You are going to be busy! Well done.
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Hello Puppyt,
Wine version 1.7.4 for Legacy OS 2.1 LTS is a simply one click install away.
Download from here https://sourceforge.net/projects/legacy ... z/download
Open the root directory with the ROX File Manager and right mouse click over the tar.gz file for Wine and select "Install Package". Simply watch as Legacy installs Wine and adds it to the Applications Menu. If you right mouse click over any exe file, you can click wine to hopefully get that program running.
This version of Wine was released in October 2013
Why Wine isn't included by default is simply its size. As it's now very easy to install extra software created for Legacy OS, there was no need to remove lots of included applications to make way for Wine.
Wine version 1.7.4 for Legacy OS 2.1 LTS is a simply one click install away.
Download from here https://sourceforge.net/projects/legacy ... z/download
Open the root directory with the ROX File Manager and right mouse click over the tar.gz file for Wine and select "Install Package". Simply watch as Legacy installs Wine and adds it to the Applications Menu. If you right mouse click over any exe file, you can click wine to hopefully get that program running.
This version of Wine was released in October 2013
Why Wine isn't included by default is simply its size. As it's now very easy to install extra software created for Legacy OS, there was no need to remove lots of included applications to make way for Wine.
Legacy OS 2017 has been released.
need my old machine again
Hi john.john biles wrote:Hello jeffneedle,
Looking at your computer specs, this may sound strange but your computer might just be too new to run Legacy OS on. To Get Legacy OS to run well on Pentium 3 and 4 computers built between 1999 and 2006 which is the Hardware Legacy OS supports, most of Legacy's system files date back to 2007. This means drivers for Graphics Cards, Sound Card, Motherboards etc built after 2007 may not be supported by Legacy OS.
This I feel is the reason why you can't run Legacy OS on your Computer.
It's good you are back.
And what a surprise!
I had Legacy and Gamer on my old y2000 machine, but put the old thing in a corner since I have both a y2008 and y2016(!) machine. Now I have to dust the old worker to try your new Legacy.
It's not every day someone even bothers about the very old and classic puppies. Now that I come to think of it: I don't do many things now I cannot do with the old faithfull one.
Thanks for this! I appreciate it.
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Hi John,
Had some more time to play with Legacy and get it set up again. I think maybe my previous post confused you: all I was trying to say that, when running LegacyOS live from a CD, it refuses on my machines to save to a blank ext3 usb a newly created savefile it itself set up. Strange stuff, happen with two diff USBs. Anyhow, no biggie, I'll find a solution to that no problem.
What I had a more pressing concern is this: from a LegacyOS2017 burned iso CD, I have installed Legacy three different ways on my P4 machine, with 1GB ram. 1st way, installed straight to a USB and then from there on out boot from the USB (using FLOP to trick the P4 in the beginning). 2nd time, I installed to a internal SD card that is situated on a special adapter micro-mini board where it converts the SDHC straight into the IDE slot, of which I have two open on my 1997 motherboard. 3rd way, I installed Legacy straight to an old IDE hard drive.
All installs went fine, but there is something troubling me: despite me setting up 1GB swap each time on each install medium, when LegacyOS loads up, it is resting at nearly 900MB max on the cache of the RAM. It has a lock on that RAM and I do not know how to break it. Pprocess says no program is open and nothing is going on, and the cpu is idling a a good, low 4-5%. But the cache for RAM, for each different install, each time it is maxed out exactly the same. As soon as I do anything in legacyOS, like open email, open a program, even open a file manager and terminal, the RAM goes to nearly full cache/capacity and Legacy OS immediately bogs down, and becomes nearly unresponsive (having to wait 4-5 minutes between clicks) And heaven forbid if I try to open and use the default Opera browser....the ram immediately goes to 100%, cache is maxed out, the cpu starts struggling like crazy, shuffling stuff over to swap, yet the cache still stays maxxed out. The system definitely then becomes unusable.
John you have any ideas on what might be going on, and why LegacyOS2017 is staking claim to so much cache/RAM at bootup when stuff isn't even open nor is it even using it?? Yet something is laying claim to all that cache.
Is anyone else (could you please check) seeing this happen on their installs of LegacyOS 2017? Just open Control Panel, from Menu, then open the SideBar, and take a gander at your RAM usage. Then, in terminal, do the following to see the /proc/mem info file:
$ cat /proc/meminfo
...and i wonder if you are seeing, like me, that you basically have little to no free ram left despite nothing being open in Legacy. Here's mine, notice how much of 1GB ram is taken already, after booting with nothing open (and, no, I am not running live and/or in ram):
This is the system at complete rest after first booting up (the numbers are virtually the same for all three install attempts)
Or another way to put it is, type this in terminal:
....and see if you've got nearly 800000 kb (800MB) or more of legacy sinking its teeth into your ram/cache at bootup & never letting it go after that.
Thanks
P.S. Also, Opera has to go and/or be upgraded: here's a small list of sites it cannot open:
---Google-drive, to get downloaded puppy stuff from all contributors here
---amazon
---the economist.com
---wired
---sciencedaily
---science.nasa.gov
---and the list goes on and on. It made surfing quite annoying....a newer Opera needs to be complied, along with newer security certififcates put inside LegacyOS, so sites across the web are accessible when surfing.
Had some more time to play with Legacy and get it set up again. I think maybe my previous post confused you: all I was trying to say that, when running LegacyOS live from a CD, it refuses on my machines to save to a blank ext3 usb a newly created savefile it itself set up. Strange stuff, happen with two diff USBs. Anyhow, no biggie, I'll find a solution to that no problem.
What I had a more pressing concern is this: from a LegacyOS2017 burned iso CD, I have installed Legacy three different ways on my P4 machine, with 1GB ram. 1st way, installed straight to a USB and then from there on out boot from the USB (using FLOP to trick the P4 in the beginning). 2nd time, I installed to a internal SD card that is situated on a special adapter micro-mini board where it converts the SDHC straight into the IDE slot, of which I have two open on my 1997 motherboard. 3rd way, I installed Legacy straight to an old IDE hard drive.
All installs went fine, but there is something troubling me: despite me setting up 1GB swap each time on each install medium, when LegacyOS loads up, it is resting at nearly 900MB max on the cache of the RAM. It has a lock on that RAM and I do not know how to break it. Pprocess says no program is open and nothing is going on, and the cpu is idling a a good, low 4-5%. But the cache for RAM, for each different install, each time it is maxed out exactly the same. As soon as I do anything in legacyOS, like open email, open a program, even open a file manager and terminal, the RAM goes to nearly full cache/capacity and Legacy OS immediately bogs down, and becomes nearly unresponsive (having to wait 4-5 minutes between clicks) And heaven forbid if I try to open and use the default Opera browser....the ram immediately goes to 100%, cache is maxed out, the cpu starts struggling like crazy, shuffling stuff over to swap, yet the cache still stays maxxed out. The system definitely then becomes unusable.
John you have any ideas on what might be going on, and why LegacyOS2017 is staking claim to so much cache/RAM at bootup when stuff isn't even open nor is it even using it?? Yet something is laying claim to all that cache.
Is anyone else (could you please check) seeing this happen on their installs of LegacyOS 2017? Just open Control Panel, from Menu, then open the SideBar, and take a gander at your RAM usage. Then, in terminal, do the following to see the /proc/mem info file:
$ cat /proc/meminfo
...and i wonder if you are seeing, like me, that you basically have little to no free ram left despite nothing being open in Legacy. Here's mine, notice how much of 1GB ram is taken already, after booting with nothing open (and, no, I am not running live and/or in ram):
This is the system at complete rest after first booting up (the numbers are virtually the same for all three install attempts)
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sh-3.00# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 1035712 kB
MemFree: 116312 kB
Buffers: 26096 kB
Cached: 784580 kB
SwapCached: 0 kB
Active: 486568 kB
Inactive: 409500 kB
HighTotal: 131008 kB
HighFree: 264 kB
LowTotal: 904704 kB
LowFree: 116048 kB
SwapTotal: 0 kB
SwapFree: 0 kB
Dirty: 0 kB
Writeback: 0 kB
AnonPages: 85424 kB
Mapped: 35116 kB
Slab: 17600 kB
PageTables: 732 kB
NFS_Unstable: 0 kB
Bounce: 0 kB
CommitLimit: 517856 kB
Committed_AS: 826904 kB
VmallocTotal: 114680 kB
VmallocUsed: 2128 kB
VmallocChunk: 112412 kB
sh-3.00#
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$ egrep --color 'Mem|Cache|Swap' /proc/meminfo
Thanks
P.S. Also, Opera has to go and/or be upgraded: here's a small list of sites it cannot open:
---Google-drive, to get downloaded puppy stuff from all contributors here
---amazon
---the economist.com
---wired
---sciencedaily
---science.nasa.gov
---and the list goes on and on. It made surfing quite annoying....a newer Opera needs to be complied, along with newer security certififcates put inside LegacyOS, so sites across the web are accessible when surfing.
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Hello Belham2,
I've just done a fresh install to a ext2 format IDE Hard Drive. When Legacy OS installs it unzips to 1747MB on the Hard Drive. Legacy OS does use a large percentage of a users ram to speed up the opening of Apps. As I've only got 504mb of ram it uses 335mb. My CPU usage is very low.
Your Hard Drive size in the Sidebar image shows as only being 756mb in size with 691mb used. Your Ram show 856mb used. I've got the feeling Legacy is trying to run using both. When Legacy runs from the CD it uses both the Ram and CD if the Ram isn't big enough.
I also notice you have no Swap partition set up.
This leads to Opera not having enough space to open Web pages.
I tried the websites you said don't open and they appear to on my computer a Pentium 4 with a 1.7Ghz processor and 512mb ram.
Is it possible for you to reformat from ext3 to ext2 with at least 4Gb of Hard Drive, 500mb of Swap and see how that goes. Also check next post for my egrep --color 'Mem|Cache|Swap' /proc/meminfo
I've just done a fresh install to a ext2 format IDE Hard Drive. When Legacy OS installs it unzips to 1747MB on the Hard Drive. Legacy OS does use a large percentage of a users ram to speed up the opening of Apps. As I've only got 504mb of ram it uses 335mb. My CPU usage is very low.
Your Hard Drive size in the Sidebar image shows as only being 756mb in size with 691mb used. Your Ram show 856mb used. I've got the feeling Legacy is trying to run using both. When Legacy runs from the CD it uses both the Ram and CD if the Ram isn't big enough.
I also notice you have no Swap partition set up.
This leads to Opera not having enough space to open Web pages.
I tried the websites you said don't open and they appear to on my computer a Pentium 4 with a 1.7Ghz processor and 512mb ram.
Is it possible for you to reformat from ext3 to ext2 with at least 4Gb of Hard Drive, 500mb of Swap and see how that goes. Also check next post for my egrep --color 'Mem|Cache|Swap' /proc/meminfo
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Hello Belham2,
Here's my terminal using the command egrep --color 'Mem|Cache|Swap' /proc/meminfo with no apps open. Thanks John
Here's my terminal using the command egrep --color 'Mem|Cache|Swap' /proc/meminfo with no apps open. Thanks John
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john biles wrote: When Legacy runs from the CD it uses both the Ram and CD if the Ram isn't big enough.
I also notice you have no Swap partition set up.
Is it possible for you to reformat from ext3 to ext2 with at least 4Gb of Hard Drive, 500mb of Swap and see how that goes.
Hi John,
Thanks for answering. I thought I could run everything off a 1GB micro SDHC card (been spoiled all these years by puppies that max out around 500-600MB), but what you said makes clear I need some more oooomph. So I've grabbed me a 8GB SDHC card and am going to set it up today, along with putting the swap directly on it (instead of locating swap off the booted sdhc card, like I was doing-----it was unplugged for the pics I posted that's why it showed swap of "0").
Will let you know how it goes. It's kinda cool to hear the old P4 beast roaring back to life every day under the desk for more than just an hour........previously, it was only getting a sporadic bi-weekly 1 hr workouts with rerwin's latest Lucid and of course Barry's Precise 5.7 & Racy.
Thanks again!
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Hello Everyone who has installed Legacy OS 2017 to Hard Drive and have noticed each time you boot up that the Xorgwizard keeps asking you to set up your screen resolution. Install this tar.gz by opening the ROX File Manager and right mouse clicking over it selecting "Install Package". The bug fix will be installed. Next time you boot up, you will be asked to set screen resolution once. After that Legacy OS should boot straight to the Desktop.
Some much time is spent making sure bugs have been fixed and one sneaks through! ARRRH!
Some much time is spent making sure bugs have been fixed and one sneaks through! ARRRH!
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Lol, I know that feeling!john biles wrote:Some much time is spent making sure bugs have been fixed and one sneaks through! ARRRH!
I like to remind myself most users who don't encounter bugs stay silent..
LegacyOS still looks like a fantastic piece of work, BTW..
Hopefully, it has a 'service pack' style auto-bugfix-installer thingy?
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Hi John,
I've done a frugal ("coexist") install of Legacy2017 on a dedicated ext2 partition on a Dell Inspiron 1100 (2.6 GHx P4, 2GB ram). Somehow Legacy's grub2 install didn't play nice with the setup I had constructed, with WinXP in the first, ntfs partition and grub installed to MBR. However I simply overwrote it with grub4 and now I get the selection menu up and Legacy loading without drama.
Thanks again for your earlier suggestions regarding the D-link DWL-G630, it actually has the the rt61 chip. It seems to have been a bit of an issue historically for Puppy2 series, and tempestuous posted a series of updated wifi drivers for it and a range of other cards. *Which you actually provide* a package of -or an updated version- in the help-info folder you mentioned for installing the battery meter pup! That's forethought for you
So installed the rt61-20090412-k2.6.18.1.pet, and was able to load the rt61 driver correctly for a persistent "ra0" interface in the network setup interface. Now another problem has cropped up, in that I need to connect to a managed WPA2 (WPA/TKIP encryption option) profile. Scans fine, able to construct profiles with passwords fine, tests fine ("Legacy OS was able to find an alive network") - just keeps dropping out at the "Auto DHCP" selection stage of the proceedings. I have been testing out different options in the "WPA Driver" (Atheros/Prism/other) and "AP Scan" options (Supplic/Driver/Hidden), but no dice yet.
Then there is the RutilT application for RT61 Wireless that I am trying, but after making a new profile there it only has an option to select WEP and not WPA encrypytion. The card leds are flashing, but to no result after about 5 minutes continuous. Similarly, the Wireless assistant sees all the networks available but fails to connect with the correct password provided. I'll try rebooting a few times to see if something sticks, and I'll dig out some command-line commands to help track down where the 'disconnect' might actually be. Never tried manually entering in a static IP before, might be my chance if it's required for a workaround,
Best Wishes
I've done a frugal ("coexist") install of Legacy2017 on a dedicated ext2 partition on a Dell Inspiron 1100 (2.6 GHx P4, 2GB ram). Somehow Legacy's grub2 install didn't play nice with the setup I had constructed, with WinXP in the first, ntfs partition and grub installed to MBR. However I simply overwrote it with grub4 and now I get the selection menu up and Legacy loading without drama.
Thanks again for your earlier suggestions regarding the D-link DWL-G630, it actually has the the rt61 chip. It seems to have been a bit of an issue historically for Puppy2 series, and tempestuous posted a series of updated wifi drivers for it and a range of other cards. *Which you actually provide* a package of -or an updated version- in the help-info folder you mentioned for installing the battery meter pup! That's forethought for you
So installed the rt61-20090412-k2.6.18.1.pet, and was able to load the rt61 driver correctly for a persistent "ra0" interface in the network setup interface. Now another problem has cropped up, in that I need to connect to a managed WPA2 (WPA/TKIP encryption option) profile. Scans fine, able to construct profiles with passwords fine, tests fine ("Legacy OS was able to find an alive network") - just keeps dropping out at the "Auto DHCP" selection stage of the proceedings. I have been testing out different options in the "WPA Driver" (Atheros/Prism/other) and "AP Scan" options (Supplic/Driver/Hidden), but no dice yet.
Then there is the RutilT application for RT61 Wireless that I am trying, but after making a new profile there it only has an option to select WEP and not WPA encrypytion. The card leds are flashing, but to no result after about 5 minutes continuous. Similarly, the Wireless assistant sees all the networks available but fails to connect with the correct password provided. I'll try rebooting a few times to see if something sticks, and I'll dig out some command-line commands to help track down where the 'disconnect' might actually be. Never tried manually entering in a static IP before, might be my chance if it's required for a workaround,
Best Wishes
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Hello Puppyt,
When I follow my guide step by step my DWL-G650 connects me on any Laptop I slide the card in.
I brought 2 spares on Ebay last year for $14.95 AUD each.
Looks like you can still buy them on Ebay https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_nkw ... eName=GSTL
You'd think a DWL-630 would carry similar Hardware inside.
The secret to WPA2 was a missing package which I've added to the iso?
If you have success let me know how you did it so I can share with others.
Thanks
John
When I follow my guide step by step my DWL-G650 connects me on any Laptop I slide the card in.
I brought 2 spares on Ebay last year for $14.95 AUD each.
Looks like you can still buy them on Ebay https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_nkw ... eName=GSTL
You'd think a DWL-630 would carry similar Hardware inside.
The secret to WPA2 was a missing package which I've added to the iso?
If you have success let me know how you did it so I can share with others.
Thanks
John
Legacy OS 2017 has been released.
Hi John,
I was almost getting there... have attached the results of my ifconfig and dmesg results as follows below, with perhaps the nub of the issue as
Yeah I *almost* bought a G650 as you use back when I was agonizing over choices, but flipped for the G630. It has been working fine in other laptops (lenovo T60, Vaio VGN-TX37GP (R.I.P.)) and even in the Dell 1100 works fine with XP and other live distros (Bohdi, Solus, a range of TahrPups and XenialPup pupplets). I've attached a screenie typical of my efforts to connect via network setup, wlassist and RutilT - it's trying hard to keep connected, but perpetually drops out. On the hunt for a fresh ra0 driver now, I guess,
HTH
PS Dunno about the EXT2-fs warnings - I have puppy pfix=fsck in the boot commands, and I've run e2fsck /dev/sda2 on the partition, will look to repair from a USB live linux - but the drive *is* a 14yo ATA 5400 clunker, and I had to use ntfs-resize Gparted to plaster over some bad sector issues when repartitioning... all fun
I was almost getting there... have attached the results of my ifconfig and dmesg results as follows below, with perhaps the nub of the issue as
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ra0 (WE) : Driver using old /proc/net/wireless support, please fix driver !Code: Select all
sh-3.00# ifconfig
lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
ra0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:17:9A:0B:70:5F
UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:1120 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:1673 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:236795 (231.2 KiB) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
Interrupt:11
sh-3.00# ifconfig ra0 up
sh-3.00# dmesg
r
NTFS driver 2.1.27 [Flags: R/W].
Initializing Cryptographic API
io scheduler noop registered
io scheduler cfq registered (default)
isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
Real Time Clock Driver v1.12ac
Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKB] enabled at IRQ 7
PCI: setting IRQ 7 as level-triggered
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.6[B] -> Link [LNKB] -> GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7
ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:1f.6 disabled
floppy0: no floppy controllers found
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 13824K size 1024 blocksize
loop: loaded (max 8 devices)
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
ICH4: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:1f.1
PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:1f.1 (0005 -> 0007)
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.1[A] -> Link [LNKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
ICH4: chipset revision 2
ICH4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xbfa0-0xbfa7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xbfa8-0xbfaf, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
Probing IDE interface ide0...
hda: QSI CD-RW/DVD-ROM SBW242U, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
Probing IDE interface ide1...
hdc: WDC WD1000VE-00KWT0, ATA DISK drive
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hdc: max request size: 512KiB
hdc: 195371568 sectors (100030 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, UDMA(100)
hdc: cache flushes supported
hdc: hdc1 hdc2 hdc3
libata version 2.00 loaded.
PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:KBC,PNP0f13:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12
i8042.c: Warning: Keylock active.
serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
md: md driver 0.90.3 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27
md: bitmap version 4.39
TCP bic registered
NET: Registered protocol family 1
NET: Registered protocol family 17
Using IPI Shortcut mode
ACPI: (supports S0 S1 S3 S4 S5)
md: Autodetecting RAID arrays.
md: autorun ...
md: ... autorun DONE.
RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0
Time: tsc clocksource has been installed.
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
Freeing unused kernel memory: 176k freed
input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input0
usbcore: registered new driver usbfs
usbcore: registered new driver hub
Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 5.9, id: 0x254ab1, caps: 0x804713/0x0
input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /class/input/input1
USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v3.0
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.0[A] -> Link [LNKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.0 to 64
uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: UHCI Host Controller
uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: irq 11, io base 0x0000bf80
usb usb1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
hub 1-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKD] enabled at IRQ 11
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.1[B] -> Link [LNKD] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.1 to 64
uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: UHCI Host Controller
uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: irq 11, io base 0x0000bf40
usb usb2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found
hub 2-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] enabled at IRQ 11
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.2[C] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.2 to 64
uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: UHCI Host Controller
uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3
uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: irq 11, io base 0x0000bf20
usb usb3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
hub 3-0:1.0: USB hub found
hub 3-0:1.0: 2 ports detected
ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKH] enabled at IRQ 11
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1d.7[D] -> Link [LNKH] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.7 to 64
ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: EHCI Host Controller
ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4
ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: debug port 1
PCI: cache line size of 128 is not supported by device 0000:00:1d.7
ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: irq 11, io mem 0xf6f7fc00
ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: USB 2.0 started, EHCI 1.00, driver 10 Dec 2004
usb usb4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
hub 4-0:1.0: USB hub found
hub 4-0:1.0: 6 ports detected
Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
USB Mass Storage support registered.
hda: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
Registering unionfs 20060916-2203
unionfs: debugging is not enabled
fuse init (API version 7.7)
EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
Adding 3168248k swap on /dev/hdc3. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:3168248k
EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones
agpgart: Detected an Intel 845G Chipset.
agpgart: Detected 8060K stolen memory.
agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xe0000000
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.5[B] -> Link [LNKB] -> GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.5 to 64
intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 59296 usecs
intel8x0: clocking to 48000
linmodem(1226): linmodem v0.1 loaded
pctel_hw: module license 'GPL linked with proprietary libraries' taints kernel.
pctel_hw(151): PCTel hardware driver version 0.9.7-9-rht-6 for PCT789
pctel(670): pctel v0.1 loaded
pctel_pci(526): pciserial_init_one: invalid pctel_hw binary module
pctel_hw: probe of 0000:00:1f.6 failed with error -22
b44.c:v1.01 (Jun 16, 2006)
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:01.0[A] -> Link [LNKB] -> GSI 7 (level, low) -> IRQ 7
eth0: Broadcom 4400 10/100BaseT Ethernet 00:0d:56:a8:28:a1
Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:02:04.0 [1028:0149]
Yenta: Using CSCINT to route CSC interrupts to PCI
Yenta: Routing CardBus interrupts to PCI
Yenta TI: socket 0000:02:04.0, mfunc 0x00001002, devctl 0x64
Yenta: ISA IRQ mask 0x0478, PCI irq 11
Socket status: 30000020
Yenta: Raising subordinate bus# of parent bus (#02) from #02 to #06
pcmcia: parent PCI bridge I/O window: 0xd000 - 0xefff
cs: IO port probe 0xd000-0xefff: clean.
pcmcia: parent PCI bridge Memory window: 0xf8000000 - 0xfdffffff
pcmcia: parent PCI bridge Memory window: 0x88000000 - 0x89ffffff
pcmcia: Detected deprecated PCMCIA ioctl usage from process: cardmgr.
pcmcia: This interface will soon be removed from the kernel; please expect breakage unless you upgrade to new tools.
pcmcia: see http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/pcmcia/pcmcia.html for details.
cs: IO port probe 0xc00-0xcff: clean.
cs: IO port probe 0x800-0x8ff: excluding 0x8e0-0x8e7
cs: IO port probe 0x100-0x4ff: clean.
cs: IO port probe 0xa00-0xaff: clean.
pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 0
lp: driver loaded but no devices found
PCI: Enabling device 0000:03:00.0 (0000 -> 0002)
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:03:00.0[A] -> Link [LNKA] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
rt61 1.1.0 BETA1 2006/06/18 http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com
RT61: Vendor = 0x1814, Product = 0x0302
PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:03:00.0 to 64
ACPI: AC Adapter [AC] (on-line)
ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present)
ra0 (WE) : Driver using old /proc/net/wireless support, please fix driver !
01:23:45:67:89:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:
RT61: RfIcType= 3
01:23:45:67:89:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:
RT61: RfIcType= 3
sh-3.00# HTH
PS Dunno about the EXT2-fs warnings - I have puppy pfix=fsck in the boot commands, and I've run e2fsck /dev/sda2 on the partition, will look to repair from a USB live linux - but the drive *is* a 14yo ATA 5400 clunker, and I had to use ntfs-resize Gparted to plaster over some bad sector issues when repartitioning... all fun
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@Puppyt, I see you have been successful installing Legacy OS 2017 frugally.
I also have a sata3 hdd and I'm using ext3 and ext4 file systems. It also appears saving to a directory is out of the question.
Would you mind sharing your grub stanza please?
I am trying to do a frugal install however, with grub4dos. So far I have been unsuccessful. I had a peek inside the initrd and I noticed I won't be able to put it in it's own directory. I guess that was not implemented back in the 2.14 days.I've done a frugal ("coexist") install of Legacy2017 on a dedicated ext2 partition on a Dell Inspiron 1100 (2.6 GHx P4, 2GB ram). Somehow Legacy's grub2 install didn't play nice with the setup I had constructed, with WinXP in the first, ntfs partition and grub installed to MBR. However I simply overwrote it with grub4 and now I get the selection menu up and Legacy loading without drama.
I also have a sata3 hdd and I'm using ext3 and ext4 file systems. It also appears saving to a directory is out of the question.
Would you mind sharing your grub stanza please?
Hi smokey01,
I hope this helps - yeah I noticed that Legacy didn't provide an option to save into a folder though I was prepared to modify the menu.lst manually to reflect changes later, if I wanted to add more distro's to the mix. In my case, Legacy2017 was first cab off the rank in this multi-boot project:
I have to ferry this over from the Dell + dwl-g630 combo on a usb, still unable to get wifi connected even though I've loaded the TNET1130.INF driver up (from a DWL-G630_REVB_DRIVER_2.00.ZIP file d-link), via ndiswrapper. The d-liteful d-link mystery continues...
EDIT - Oh yeah I added in the entirely bunkum "pfix=e2fsck" entry in an attempt to address some EXT2fs-error messages I am getting within Legacy2017 and also showing in a variety of GParted versions. No similar errors detected from suites of HDD analysis applications found in latest UBCD, Hiren's CD. But some areas of the drive are looking a bit swiss-cheesey according to MHDD...
I hope this helps - yeah I noticed that Legacy didn't provide an option to save into a folder though I was prepared to modify the menu.lst manually to reflect changes later, if I wanted to add more distro's to the mix. In my case, Legacy2017 was first cab off the rank in this multi-boot project:
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# menu.lst produced by grub4dosconfig-v1.9.2
color white/blue black/cyan white/black cyan/black
#splashimage=/splash.xpm
timeout 10
default 0
# Frugal installed Puppy
title Pup 214 (sda2)
uuid 44e1e003-a165-4933-aee9-0842f668745f
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck pfix=e2fsck
initrd /initrd.gz
# Windows
# this entry searches Windows on the HDD and boot it up
title Windows XP \nBoot up Windows if installed
errorcheck off
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /bootmgr
chainloader /bootmgr
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /ntldr
chainloader /ntldr
find --set-root --ignore-floppies --ignore-cd /io.sys
chainloader /io.sys
errorcheck on
# Advanced Menu
title Advanced menu
configfile /menu-advanced.lst
commandlineEDIT - Oh yeah I added in the entirely bunkum "pfix=e2fsck" entry in an attempt to address some EXT2fs-error messages I am getting within Legacy2017 and also showing in a variety of GParted versions. No similar errors detected from suites of HDD analysis applications found in latest UBCD, Hiren's CD. But some areas of the drive are looking a bit swiss-cheesey according to MHDD...
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smokey01 wrote: I am trying to do a frugal install however, with grub4dos. So far I have been unsuccessful. I had a peek inside the initrd and I noticed I won't be able to put it in it's own directory. I guess that was not implemented back in the 2.14 days.
I also have a sata3 hdd and I'm using ext3 and ext4 file systems. It also appears saving to a directory is out of the question.
Would you mind sharing your grub stanza please?
Hi Smokey & PuppyT,
Yeah, I just ran into that refusing to "frugal" boot with Ttuuxxx's update (from last fall, 2016) of Classic Pup 2.14:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 674#967674
I tried this..
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title Pup 214 (sda2)
uuid 44e1e003-a165-4933-aee9-0842f668745f
kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/ram0 pmedia=atahd pfix=fsck pfix=e2fsck
initrd /initrd.gz
"ERROR, cannot find Puppy on 'atahd' (or 'usbflash') boot media. PupMode=1 PDEV1="
@Smokey: So, yeah, I tried for over an hour to get it to 'frugally' boot, but finally gave up. Like you I am all SATA2/3 here, ext 3 & 4---except for the one USB attached HDD mentioned above that is an old Seagate IDE which still runs like a Battleship (knock on wood, lol
)@PuppyT, interesting that you were able to do it with 2.14 & get it to boot .....on the Legacy OS 2017 I installed for my old P4 machine last week, I didn't even try a frugal. I just installed it fully to its own USB. Since you've had success, PuppyT, I am going to have another go with Tttuuxxx's Classic Pup and see if I can get it 'frgual' boot (smokey, if you succeed for your Legacy OS install, please also post what you did and especially your grub4dos entry too...thanks!)