And the slippery slope gets even more slippery.....

[bigpup]

Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI)
Nonprofit organization.

After an embargo period of one year, most PRRI surveys are made available to the public for secondary analysis.

You can make any survey say anything, if you ask the right people.
That is if you really did ask people questions.
What were the questions?
What are they hiding about who was interviewed?
Who is paying them?

The Monmouth poll was taken Aug. 10 and 14 by telephone among 805 U.S. adults The results have a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points in either direction.

805 people polled to come up with survey results.
That is some fuzzy math to make that into one in four americans

I do not know about you, but talking to someone on the phone does not let me identify them as a U.S. adult!

[perdido]

How childish and hypocritical a people you are.

I hope you're not getting too bent out of shape, musher0 - the reality is that most of us Americans are actually on your side, as more of us slowly come to grips with the realization of how terrible and embarrassing a mistake it was to have placed this feeble-minded, white-trash narcissist into office. Hopefully, it's just a matter of time (sooner rather than later!);

https://www.nbcnews.com
http://www.latimes.com
https://www.washingtonpost.com

It appears bigpup and perdido are a few of those remaining "one-in-fours'".

Bob

It appears your "polls" are from the same sources that predicted a clinton landslide.




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[Burn_IT]

Polls always omit the important information when they quote percentages and they seem to always leave off the words "of those polled".

I can happily say that in a recent poll 66% said that Trump should be committed, but that would mean more (or less) if I told you that only three people were asked and one of those is a child of 4 who randomly pointed at a choice.

[musher0]

How childish and hypocritical a people you are.

I hope you're not getting too bent out of shape, musher0 - the reality is that most of us Americans are actually on your side, as more of us slowly come to grips with the realization of how terrible and embarrassing a mistake it was to have placed this feeble-minded, white-trash narcissist into office. Hopefully, it's just a matter of time (sooner rather than later!);
(...)

It appears bigpup and perdido are a few of those remaining "one-in-fours'".

Bob

Hi Moat.

Sorry. I said that "in the heat of the moment". Most Americans are honest
and have a logical, well-screwed, head on their shoulders.

BFN.

[musher0]

@bigpup:

Whatever the history of the word, Americans should stop calling foreigners
"extra-terrestrials". I find it insulting.

BFN.

[Moat]

You can make any survey say anything, if you ask the right people.

Um... duh? As if people whom might lean left of you somehow don't have the capacity or intelligence to understand the shortcomings that exist in surveys and polls, too?? Huh...?

You attempt to discredit such evidence simply because it does not agree with your personal stance. Talk about "fake news"... At what point do you consider any reporting "real", then? Pick and choose carefully...

Personally I could care less about polls and your old, tired "fake news" ploy. They don't matter, as one can easily come to quite a reasonable impression of utter disgust about Trump by going directly to it's source - the disgraceful, repulsive and small-minded drivel (and Tweets) that endlessly bloviate directly from the horse's mouth, himself.

And the poll results very accurately align with my own experience, anyway - the vast majority of people I know/family/friends/acquaintances are as, or nearly as, disgusted over Trump as myself - feeling he has no business whatsoever being in the office of the President. NONE.

Even some of those within his own party are openly renouncing his statements and direction - some even questioning his ability to serve as President. Coincidence? More "fake news"? Polling conspiracies?? I don't think so.

You guys made a mistake. A huge mistake.

Bob

[Moat]

Hi Moat.

Sorry.

No need to apologize, musher0 - your frustration is perfectly understandable!

Bob

[bigpup]

what point do you consider any reporting "real"

When it reports the truth!!.

If I can watch a person being interviewed and asked questions.
Hear and see what they say.

Switch to a different TV channel and listen to someone tell me what this same person did or said. But it is totally different than what I just listened to and saw.
That is fake news!!!

You attempt to discredit such evidence simply because it does not agree with your personal stance.

I do not care what it says as long as it is proven to be true.
You really feel that a survey of 805 people is representative of 350+ million people.

I would be bringing up the same questioning no matter what the survey said.

Trump has screwed it all up.

Just a few things he has done wrong

Stock market at all time high since election. Stock Market up $3 trillion value since election.

GDP at 3.0%

One million+ more jobs.

Basically at the point of full energy independence.
OPEC broken, can no longer set prices pleads with USA to
lower pumping.

Illegal crossing of the U.S. southern border down by 75-80%.

MS13 gangs being taken off the streets.
More than 1400 gang members have been arrested by ICE
Massive raids on gangs going on across the nation

Ended "catch and release

[bark_bark_bark]

@bigpup:

Whatever the history of the word, Americans should stop calling foreigners
"extra-terrestrials". I find it insulting.

BFN.

Do Americans really call foreigners Aliens? I'm an American and I don't.

[Flash]

...Do Americans really call foreigners Aliens? ...

It depends on what color they are. The green ones I call aliens. The brown ones are... well, you know.

[musher0]

@bigpup, who was a "Trumpist" before "Trumpism" exi[s]ted.
(it was a typo, but it probably means something, so I left it in!)

Your list looks impressive -- as a list, laid out like that.
And I also looked briefly at the Reddit list you mentioned.

Problems with those:
-- no URL, no report, no indication of source, not even a news article ref.
is attached. It has only one field.

-- a lot of those events are "exchange of politeness" between Heads of State
(how do you say « échange de politesses » in English? ) that really have no
deep meaning or effect on anyone, for example::

-- French Pr. Macron's invitation to Bastille Day in Paris (the French usually
invite the US Pr. for their national day)

-- Women Entrepreneurs accord with Canadian PM Trudeau. (Trump and
Trudeau really have nothing to say to each other, being such opposites, but
both Mrs. and Ms. Trump are entrepreneurs, and pretty, so our PM and your
Pr. invented something.)

You say: "killing" the Paris Accord? It's alive and well, thank you, but
without you (meaning "you", "the US", and also "you", "bigpup").

The Reddit list is more exact here: they say "pulling out of the Paris
Accord." Although even they are not completely truthful: the USA are
technically still in it, just not contributing at present. If you read Trump's
document, it says the US will only pull out if and when Trump is re-elected
for a 2nd term.

On the other hand, in the Reddit list, "Labor participation rate 62.8%
(07/07/17)" looks interesting, but it's not explained. Does it mean labor as
in "Trade Union" participation, or labor as in "general labor force" participa-
tion? Also: what kind of participation? Joint ownership of businesses or what?

I noticed those "round corners" and I'm not even American. Ha.

So "buyer beware", with such lists. Let's double-check what's in the feed
poultry farmer bigpup wants us turkeys to swallow.
(Myself being a "green" extra-terrestrial turkey, of course!)

BFN.

[bigpup]

But surveys are just 100% true.
No questioning them!
It is a survey, it must be true!!

You can question the fine points of anything and you should always!

But do not make blank statements that President Trump has done nothing good.

Still do not understand why calling people names is a way to get your point across.

a lot of those events are "exchange of politeness" between Heads of State

They should never talk to each other?
What could that ever accomplish.

French Pr. Macron's invitation to Bastille Day in Paris (the French usually invite the US Pr. for their national day)

But President Trump actually went to it!

Women Entrepreneurs accord with Canadian PM Trudeau. (Trump and
Trudeau really have nothing to say to each other, being such opposites, but
both Mrs. and Ms. Trump are entrepreneurs, and pretty, so our PM and your
Pr. invented something.)

This seems to say different.
http://thebusinesscouncil.ca/initiative ... s-leaders/

U.S. Labor participation
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

[musher0]

I'm the proverbial turkey, you're feeding me incomplete info, and by
metaphor, I'm calling you a "poultry farmer".

There's no harm in a little metaphor, is there?

About the other thing, I apologized publicly.

[bigpup]

musher0,

That was not directed at you, but to others.

Still do not understand why calling people names is a way to get your point across.

This does look like something good for both countries.
Canada-United States Council for Advancement of Women Entrepreneurs and Business Leaders
http://thebusinesscouncil.ca/initiative ... s-leaders/

They put Canada first in the name.
What's up with that?
Well, C does come before U.

Maybe in the U.S. they call it the United States-Canada Council for Advancement of Women Entrepreneurs and Business Leaders.

Let us not forget Mexico
https://www.forbes.com/sites/themexicoi ... f9d56b5726

[musher0]

What I mean is two country leaders meet, and they do not really have
anything to say to each other (they're not childhood friends, right?). So
they chit-chat about golf or each country's national sport. and then they
move in the next room smiling for the reporters and sign some meaningless
paper.

They're polite with each other (as they should), and pretend to do stuff
together to please the reporters and the population. But it's not terribly
significant for the two countries. Get it?

I'll look up your Labor ref. (Edit: I looked at it and there appears to be
stabilization in the graph this year, but I'm still unclear about "participation
in what".)

BFN.

[Moat]

That was not directed at you, but to others.

Umm... would that be me, perchance? Because, if those were indeed directed at me, well... I can only suggest that your comments are then a picture perfect example of the "pick and choose carefully... " facade comment I made earlier.

Bob

[Terry H]

[quote="musher0"]What I mean is two country leaders meet, and they do not really have
anything to say to each other (they're not childhood friends, right?). So
they chit-chat about golf or each country's national sport.[ /quote]

Maybe they even indulge in some locker room banter, the US President has been known for that.

[bigpup]

Maybe they even indulge in some locker room banter, the US President has been known for that.

Well, if you are a male human. No way are you going to tell me you have never done locker room talk!

Go listen to a group of female humans, talking trash to each other.
Makes male locker room talk look mild!

[bigpup]

I'll look up your Labor ref. (Edit: I looked at it and there appears to be
stabilization in the graph this year, but I'm still unclear about "participation
in what".)

All civilian labor is being tracked by this statistic.

Civilian noninstitutional population: Persons 16 years of age and older residing in the 50 states and the District of Columbia, who are not inmates of institutions (e.g., penal and mental facilities, homes for the aged), and who are not on active duty in the Armed Forces.

Civilian labor force: All persons in the civilian noninstitutional population classified as either employed or unemployed.

Employed persons: All persons who, during the reference week (week including the twelfth day of the month), (a) did any work as paid employees, worked in their own business or profession or on their own farm, or worked 15 hours or more as unpaid workers in an enterprise operated by a member of their family, or (b) were not working but who had jobs from which they were temporarily absent. Each employed person is counted only once, even if he or she holds more than one job.

Unemployed persons: All persons who had no employment during the reference week, were available for work, except for temporary illness, and had made specific efforts to find employment some time during the 4 week-period ending with the reference week. Persons who were waiting to be recalled to a job from which they had been laid off need not have been looking for work to be classified as unemployed.

[perdido]

Maybe they even indulge in some locker room banter, the US President has been known for that.

Well if you are a male human. No way are you going to tell me you have never done that.

C'mon bigpup, you and I both know that the US is the only country that does locker room bragging.

Does Canada use more birth control pills than US?
http://watercanada.net/2014/estrogen-in ... opulation/
Are males being feminized by municipal water supply?
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/21/8897.full
Is this a vast feminizing conspiracy?
http://virilityprotocol.com/men-watch-e ... ing-water/

Maybe I should set up shop and sell my well water

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